The problem with all of these posts is that they're nothing but vague shitposts that don't explain at all why you all don't like the movie. It's just "not very good". Like people who like or love the movie have to comb every frame to defend it but here it's just "not very good Disney ruined everything."
Because every time we list what we hated we get people arguing back while that's how we feel about it, there's nothing to argue about.
But I'll bite.
- I thought what they had with Rey and Kylo was fascinating, and amazing, and they ruined all of it. First of all they say that Snoke is the reason they connected, which undermines their bond. Then Kylo went from sparring his mom to wanting everybody to die instantly. Rey, in the end, doesn't doubt anything and there is no ambiguity. By the end Kylo also entirely reverted back to a murderous 12 years old. I don't care if you think it makes sense, I found this extremely disappointed and it took away the only thing I liked in the movie.
- Snoke being handled this way is a problem because they displayed the extent of his powers, making his pathetic demise a bit hard to swallow with no pay off. But I didn't care much about Snoke. What I care about is that now the only two antagonists are Hux (who has been turned into a comedic relief) and Kylo (the conflicted character who somehow keeps losing and being ridiculed). See you can rationalize the fact he lost to the guards and needed Rey to save him, or that Rey overpowered him in the lightsaber grab force battle, the problem is that this is the antagonist now. You're not scared of him. He can't possibly win. That's a problem.
- Only like a couple of days happen after the force awakens, which not only create a lot of narrative issues (the state of the resistance and the first order being rather jarring) but also make Rey's sudden rise to power nonsensical.
No you don't have to be the son of a jedi to be strong with the Force. Obi Wan defeated Anakin, a jedi with more "power", thanks to his experience.
But it's hard work and years of training that gave him the edge.
If you take the hard work and training, then the only way you can display raw power rivaling Vader and his bloodline, would be if you were special.
But Rey isn't special. So what the fuck is going on ? Even if "the force" conveniently made Rey strong (ignoring Leia ? Clearly she used the force), she should not outperform Kylo who trained his ENTIRE LIFE. (speaking of which, his final "training" from Snoke makes literally no sense, but okay, I don't really care)
She awakened to the force like THREE DAYS AGO.
- Broom kid, fuck that. You can't randomly and casually use the force like that with 0 training or exposure to it. "b-but Anakin flew a speeder" Anakin is the CHOSEN ONE, boo ooh fuck prequels yada yada, stop it. He's a Skywalker, they're stronger than usual, and even them couldn't make things fly like this without training, and their feats were done under huge moment of pressure when they needed it. They didn't casually use powers like this. Fuck this. I hate it.
- Luke. I'm not debating about this. If you think it makes sense, that it was fitting, cool. But I personally hated all of it with all my heart. And you could have come up with reasons, or ways, that still made sense, and didn't go that far. If you like it or don't mind what they did with the character, as I said, that's cool. But it's so hard to swallow for me. Not after Han, and not when knowing Leia was "gone". I just can't.
Coming out of the theater I wasn't sure what to think. I thought it looked very pretty. And I did enjoy the Rey and Kylo parts a ton. And Mark Hamill gave a great performance.
When my mother asked me "oh did you go see the new Star Wars ? How was it ? How was Luke ?!" I actually was speechless. Like I wanted to reply and no sound came out of my mouth for a full 10 seconds. That's when I realized I was not okay with what I saw.
When I see this, I feel actual dread thinking of what happened and how it all turned out.
And I know what you're thinking, "get over it, it's just a movie". It's not just a movie. Ok. This is something, that has been part of my life for so long, watch it every xmas, with the family, or not as years went by and sometimes when I used to be alone, this would cheer me up. This would actually lift me up.
This is very hard right now to try to ignore what's next.
This is something the prequels had the luxury of having : choice. Because outside of Return of the Jedi which featured Anakin, the prequels led to the originals. So you were still getting the story you wanted, concluded in the way you wanted. Here it's impossible to dissociate the characters from their fate in the "sequels". At least for now. And again not saying that's a bad thing in itself, I'm saying, for me, it has drastic effects.
So to answer the thread, games are horrible, I can't bring myself to rewatch any movie right now (new or old), same thing with comics...
It's very hard. It's also crazy, because back then, no matter what people thought of the prequels, we got clone wars, kotor, legacy and so many cool books and comics. Everybody got something for them. So any disappointment was off set by wonderful things. Here... It's the opposite, it's like they're all making each other worse.
I'm sure the books and comics are still okay, but it's hard to motivate myself.
I did get somewhat excited with the Clone Wars conclusion announcement. That was needed.
I don't think the Last Jedi was worth it. Because if they changed the key points that people really hate about it, you would still love the movie. Because it would be the same movie, with a more ambiguous ending, Luke alive, and that's about it, and maybe some tease of a dark thing coming from the outer realm or whatever, to get a new threat going. And even if people disliked it, they'd brush it off and would still look forward to the future.
Like they did with some prequel movies. Here you can't do that, because they managed to throw away every plot line that mattered or they concluded them in incredibly lackluster fashion for the sake of subversion, the final conflict is Kylo vs Rey AGAIN. Han's dead, Luke's dead, Leia is reused footage, Finn and Poe seem irrelevant after TLJ and I just... I just don't care. It doesn't really appeal to me anymore.
And again, I don't think that was worth it. I'm not saying you can't love the movie, I'm not going to be debating, I'm just saying why I felt this way. That's not gonna change magically. And I'm fully aware that you're going to disagree with stuff like "finn and poe are irrelevant", which is fine. I just mean, to me, they really drove this whole story into a dead end. Same for details I might have gotten wrong like "uh dude it's not 2 days after TFA it's actually 4 days in a half", whatever. It's how I perceived it, and I'm not going through this again.
So now either JJ is going to try to backtrack somehow (I can't think of any proper solution), or just double down. But it's a reality that this movie made a lot of people miserable.
And it has NOTHING to do with alt right shit heads. Wonder Woman, Black Panther, and hell, TFA / Rogue One, were hated by those people for the same EXACT reasons, and they got nowhere. So here they try to claim they had an effect on TLJ but no they didn't. It's just opportunism.