Only Pokémon in Galar Pokédex can be transferred to Sword & Shield from Pokémon Home; similar restrictions intended for subsequent titles

[PokémonSpears]

I think the first time I ever found the Serebii site was because I was looking into a rumor and it had an article on there debunking that myth that there was an incredibly small chance that you could find a wild Celebi in the grass on a certain route in Ruby and Sapphire. I then checked out the fakemons and it was all downhill from there LOL. Before I saw that article, I think I actually spent some time trying to find Celebi in the grass. You don't get myths and rumors like that anymore.

I think I saw all of the gen 4 mons on there for the first time too in a news post. It was literally like pictures of a DS screen with the Pokemon in the pokedex or something. Man, gen 4. Those were the first games I ever bought for myself without having to wait for Christmas or my birthday. That was right around when I started my first job and was able to buy both Diamond and Pearl on release from a now long dead K-Mart in town. Heh, never thought the good times would end.

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I found the site around 2006 I think, when there were rumors Gligar was getting an evolution, but the image shown was actually Drapion I believe.

I had skipped Gen III after seeing a classmate playing Ruby. I remember thinking the new Pokémon looked awful lol and that Groudon and Kyogre looked like Digimon instead haha But my cousins and I were catching up at the time with FireRed and XD. None of us owned a DS though, so I had to wait till the end of 2007 to buy Pearl. I actually bought it on Thanksgiving, at a KMart too. But I didn't get the DS until Christmas. Then I got Emerald to get the missing Hoenn Pokémon.

K Mart and Target were always my choice to buy videogames. I hate the long lines at GameStop. I still have a DS case/bag with Giratina they gave me at KMart for buying MD Explorers of Sky the furst week it came out. It's gonna be 10 years and I still have it but now I use it for my 3DS. That particular store closed a few years ago though ☹ I found out when I went to buy Moon.

 

[Kiraly]

Quick, someone post pics of the shores in the Wild Area to see how that gets "rationalised".

 

[entremet]

8 years ago, from a series nowhere near as successful

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Looks worse.

It admittedly looks better when in sunny weather but this is from 2 years ago on the same hardware

X on the Wii U from 4 years ago is equally unfavorable to Pokemon.

Look, I know visuals and animation aren't everything, but you have to consider that the core gameplay of Pokemon is essentially unchanged since the Phys/Spec split. Nobody is worried about the core RPG elements. However, we've been having content stripped away for years now, and losing out on hundreds of Pokemon is the final straw. If the games looked like Pic related, I might get it, might even be totally cool with it. But with what we got? Hell fucking no man. Unacceptable in 2019.

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Different style. Pokemon is way more cartoony.

 

[Apopheniac]

Thank you!

Nothing comes of it. One person likes the way it looks and others don't. How do you have a decent conversation about that? I just rather not talk about it and if something I think looks good I say it looks good.

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it's almost like justifying cut content to players of a series that's exclusive to handhelds with promises of improved graphics was a bad idea to begin with

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

It admittedly looks better when in sunny weather but this is from 2 years ago on the same hardware

X on the Wii U from 4 years ago is equally unfavorable to Pokemon.

Look, I know visuals and animation aren't everything, but you have to consider that the core gameplay of Pokemon is essentially unchanged since the Phys/Spec split. Nobody is worried about the core RPG elements. However, we've been having content stripped away for years now, and losing out on hundreds of Pokemon is the final straw. If the games looked like Pic related, I might get it, might even be totally cool with it. But with what we got? Hell fucking no man. Unacceptable in 2019.

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To be fair, Xenoblade 2 runs at a dynamic 720p, 30fps with drops, more so in that area due to a memory leak that they didn't fix. Do we even know the resolution and frame rate that Pokemon is targeting?

8 years ago, from a series nowhere near as successful

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I got one better.

 

[Bowser]

Pretty sure the Wild Area won't look that empty, they're just not showing all the new Pokémon.

 

[XCKingBrent]

Different style. Pokemon is way more cartoony.

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Disregard the art style though. The difference in detail is astronomical. There are plenty of ways to capture the Pokemon aesthetic in a more detailed manner.

 

[Deleted member 41183]

They're more than likely focused on other aspects, such as prepping for production and shipping etc.

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5 months out and you think they're focus is currently on shipping and not debug/polish?

 

[Fj0823]

"Those games from 10 Years ago look slightly worse than this 2019 release!"

 

[CorruptedLurker]

The graphics debate is potentially the most boring debate to be had in gaming

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Thank you!

Nothing comes of it. One person likes the way it looks and others don't. How do you have a decent conversation about that? I just rather not talk about it and if something I think looks good I say it looks good.

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[XCKingBrent]

5 months out and you think they're focus is currently on shipping and not debug/polish?

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Debugging? Certainly. Polish?

I've been through every Pokemon hype season since Gen 3 (Hoenn Babbie) and every time, extremely little is changed from what they showed off for promotional material, ESPECIALLY this close to release.

 

[Maple]

We just need to compare these two wild Area images to show how the weather effects colour and even clarity

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True, but those tree and ground textures are still pretty bad.

 

[Deleted member 8791]

I don't see this need to shit on everything Pokémon and Game Freak when really it's just one decision people are upset with. Hone in on that.

 

[Fj0823]

I don't see this need to shit on everything Pokémon and Game Freak when really it's just one decision people are upset with. Hone in on that.

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They justified this decision on "quality"

Do you really think anyone here would be this severe with graphics and framerates on a Pokemon game if they hadn't said anything?

 

[PokémonSpears]

Has anyone else found it hard to motivate themselfs to play the older games since they announced this on tuesday. I was playing collesuem but can't bring myself to finish it, and its the first time I've played it too.

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Yeah I was planning to fill the "national Pokedex" in UltraSun so I don't lose all my Pokemon from one version (Moon) after transferring them to SwSh (lol) and I was planning to get virtual console Gold or Silver to spend lots of hours for a chance to get Shiny Celebi. I think that won't be worthy anymore, at least not for a long time.

 

[XCKingBrent]

I don't see this need to shit on everything Pokémon and Game Freak when really it's just one decision people are upset with. Hone in on that.

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It's all related though. They cut out a SIGNIFICANT amount of content (hell, not even just content, the main point of the series) in order to provide "improved quality." And people aren't impressed with it, so why did we lose all that content in the first place? If less Pokemon is the future, then we expect so much more than this. Simple as that.

 

[Dodgerfan74]

They are not going to change anything. Maybe within 10 years, we will have the Pokemon game we deserve. Let us wait.

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I laughed at this

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But less than I laughed at this

 

[Deleted member 41183]

Debugging? Certainly. Polish?

I've been through every Pokemon hype season since Gen 3 (Hoenn Babbie) and every time, extremely little is changed from what they showed off for promotional material, ESPECIALLY this close to release.

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So, not focused on shipping then?

Also, debug is a part of polish.

 

[AzureFlame]

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Lmao.

 

[Deleted member 2340]

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So because I have a opinion that I think the games looks good and would rather discuss anything else I'm some shill? Because I don't put much weight on graphics at all for any game.

Sword and Shield has its problems but I don't think graphics is one of them especially coming off of Sun/Moon. I think the visuals are a massive improvements.

 

[pokéfan]

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Wow

 

[Phendrana]

Thank you!

Nothing comes of it. One person likes the way it looks and others don't. How do you have a decent conversation about that? I just rather not talk about it and if something I think looks good I say it looks good.

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Game Freak have basically invited this kind of criticism because it's one of their excuses for cutting the Pokemon. And even if you like the way Sword and Shield looks (which is perfectly valid!)...it's not up for debate that it could (and should) be so much better. The hardware is more than capable of it. So what is the excuse for arguably Nintendo's top franchise to look this way?

From my point of view - fans have been giving Game Freak a pass on stuff like this for far too long. It's exactly how they've managed to get away with cutting cool fan-favourite features in every new game, and why their tech is so far behind the competition. They've condition the fanbase to just deal with the bad stuff because the good things are so fun! But now they're taking out most of the Pokemon in each game, all while wanting to charge us $20 more. It's messed up, and this backlash is the only thing that might get through to them.

I happen to think the graphics look fine.

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So yeah...even if you're personally satisfied with the graphics of Sword and Shield - that doesn't stop them from being objectively about a decade (if not more) behind the times. People calling that out is probably a good thing if we want Game Freak to actually improve.

 

[Poised Turtoise]

Is the pokemon community just....like.....of course thisd happen sooner or later guys.

Graphics are getting better and the number of pokemon are increasing. It also doesn't effect a large population of the audience that just goes game by game at all

I mean they have like actual models they need to animate more now that they are (finallly) see able on map. Something i think long term will be better for the series

 

[Hercule]

Is the pokemon community just....like.....of course thisd happen sooner or later guys.

Graphics are getting better and the number of pokemon are increasing. It also doesn't effect a large population of the audience that just goes game by game at all

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They literally made the models of pokemon future proof so things like this won't happen. It also goes against the reason bank and home are created

 

[Toxi]

People can make themselves heard without doing such things. I'll continue to fight to get them added back in to the game in time, but I'm doing it the right way, not the wrong way.

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You'll continue to fight? That's implies you started in the first place.

You've spent most of your posts in this thread chastising people upset with the decision. As per usual.

 

[Maple]

Something i think long term will be better for the series

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Having compatibility issues and different lineups of Pokemon for each game with certain Pokemon being absent for years is not "better for the series".

It's more convenient for Game Freak, but it damages the franchise going forward.

 

[Deleted member 2340]

Game Freak have basically invited this kind of criticism because it's one of their excuses for cutting the Pokemon. And even if you like the way Sword and Shield looks (which is perfectly valid!)...it's not up for debate that it could (and should) be so much better. The hardware is more than capable of it. So what is the excuse for arguably Nintendo's top franchise to look this way?

From my point of view - fans have been giving Game Freak a pass on stuff like this for far too long. It's exactly how they've managed to get away with cutting cool fan-favourite features in every new game, and why their tech is so far behind the competition. And now they're taking out most of the Pokemon in each game, all while wanting to charge us $20 more.

So yeah, I really don't see the point in trying to defend the graphics of Sw/Sh. Liking them is subjective, sure, but that doesn't stop them from being objectively about a decade (if not more) behind the times.

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It is a improvement from Ultra Moon and Sun. Before Sword/Shield the Pokémon series had never been a AAA game series.They just sold like a AAA game series if not better. The series up until this point has been on handheld. Need I remind you of Kukui's weirded melded together 4 fingers on the 3DS?

Right now almost all of you are pissed or fake pissed and just nit picking because you're pissed or just trolling. Do not take that last comment personally, recently I've gotten into a debate with users on Era thinking they were serious and having a serious conversation with them and it turned out that they were trolling for the lulz.


Most importantly, y'all are dragging me into a conversation about graphics. I am flat out telling all of you that I don't care about this conversation. I think it looks good. You may not, if you don't feel free to have that conversation but leave me out of it. That's what initially wanted to get across to that first user who quoted me talking about visuals except he was a rude little shit so I replied like a asshole.

 

[Apopheniac]

I mean they have like actual models they need to animate more now that they are (finallly) see able on map.

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy0KE6vn2_cOl8HMXiAwbTgbli-d1cg5V

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy0KE6vn2_cNEdSL0S0ywjjUSjBAJY52P

These animations and models all existed in Gen VII and are currently in use for Pokemon Let's Go

 

[Poised Turtoise]

They literally made the models of pokemon future proof so things like this won't happen. It also goes against the reason bank and home are created

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It is impossible to completely future proof a model man. Yeah maybe less work to adapt to HD then something like cloud strife but when there are 600+ pokemon? And they are now having them have AI/animation on map? Even if game freak was much larger itd be an unreasonable amount of work to expect imo

 

[RPGam3r]

They literally made the models of pokemon future proof so things like this won't happen. It also goes against the reason bank and home are created

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Does it go against or just not line up perfectly? Banked/homed Pokemon could easily still useful down the road even if not with this specific title.

 

[EvilChameleon]

I happen to think the graphics look fine.

 

[AlexFlame116]

"It was bound to happen someday". Yeah maybe. If they hadn't, you know, began to take precautions and prepared for moments like these.

Also I think the graphics are okay. I think they could be so much better. But I'm not here for graphics, I'm here for the Pokemon problem.

 

[TreeMePls]

It is impossible to completely future proof a model man. Yeah maybe less work to adapt to HD then something like cloud strife but when there are 600+ pokemon? And they are now having them have AI/animation on map? Even if game freak was much larger itd be an unreasonable amount of work to expect imo

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Literally no Pokemon game ever had every Pokemon catchable in a single game. Stop using this argument since it was never the case to begin with

 

[CorruptedLurker]

So because I have a opinion that I think the games looks good and would rather discuss anything else I'm some shill? Because I don't put much weight on graphics at all for any game.

Sword and Shield has its problems but I don't think graphics is one of them especially coming off of Sun/Moon. I think the visuals are a massive improvements.

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What you said was that it's pointless to ever comment on a game's graphics unless they look good. If you're not able to see how that kind of mentality is anathema to discussion, then yeah, you are absolutely a shill, dude.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I would personally be okay with a 200 Pokemon game (100 new ones) with good animations, but like.

The animation in Sword/Shield sucks real bad.



Look at how unnaturally these Pokemon change direction.

Over what air currents are these Pokemon even floating above.

 

[Poised Turtoise]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy0KE6vn2_cOl8HMXiAwbTgbli-d1cg5V

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy0KE6vn2_cNEdSL0S0ywjjUSjBAJY52P

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy0KE6vn2_cOl8HMXiAwbTgbli-d1cg5V

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy0KE6vn2_cNEdSL0S0ywjjUSjBAJY52P

These animations and models all existed in Gen VII and are currently in use for Pokemon Go

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Fair enough but my point of this being an inevitability when you account for technological advance + increased pokemon still it just seems to make sense to me.Maybe they arent investing as much as they could though, they make a lot I'm not super up to date so not sure

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[ExoExplorer]

It is impossible to completely future proof a model man. Yeah maybe less work to adapt to HD then something like cloud strife but when there are 600+ pokemon? And they are now having them have AI/animation on map? Even if game freak was much larger itd be an unreasonable amount of work to expect imo

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Nobody's seriously expecting all 800+ pokemon to be available to catch in the wild area (with the AI/animation on the map). No generation had the ability to encounter and capture every Pokemon. The point is that any Pokemon not in the Galar region will be available to transfer to the game.

 

[Deleted member 13370]

God I'm so tired of Game Freak.

So so tired.

 

[Yiazmat]

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[Deleted member 41183]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy0KE6vn2_cOl8HMXiAwbTgbli-d1cg5V

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy0KE6vn2_cNEdSL0S0ywjjUSjBAJY52P

These animations and models all existed in Gen VII and are currently in use for Pokemon Go

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The run/walk animations aren't in Go. And Go has taken nearly 3 years to get less than half of the current designs in the game.

 

[Poised Turtoise]

I would personally be okay with a 200 Pokemon game (100 new ones) with good animations, but like.

The animation in Sword/Shield sucks real bad.



Look at how unnaturally these Pokemon change direction.

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Yikes where they even planning on including this prior to it being a big success in GO -_-?

 

[Phendrana]

Even if game freak was much larger itd be an unreasonable amount of work to expect imo

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It really isn't. As an example - look at Assassins Creed. Those games are damn near yearly releases at this point, and are all much, much bigger than Pokemon games. They have bigger budgets, are made by much larger teams...and sell less than Pokemon.

If Game Freak wanted to have all of the Pokemon in this game, they could. But those profit margins are too sweet!

 

[Ambient]

Can someone explain to me in the year 2019 with a console such as Switch why they couldn't just update the game with the rest of the Pokemon at a later date?

If they want to sell this Pokemon Home service wouldn't it be in their best interest to try and get every Pokemon in the game? A lot of this reaction would be lessened if they simply communicated they will update the game.

 

[Apopheniac]

The run/walk animations aren't in Go. And Go has taken nearly 3 years to get less than half of the current designs in the game.

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[Toxi]

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Do you know how much time and effort it takes to model and texture a shitty looking N64 tree?

 

[Horohorohoro]

I love how people keep coming into this thread and saying things like "We all knew this was going to happen eventually" when Game Freak never gave us any indication that this would ever be the case.

From Gen 3 onward, we've been able to transfer every single Pokemon forward. In Gen 6, they actually had to make new models for every single Pokemon, but still allowed us to do this. We had to pay 5 dollars a month for Bank. When they announced Home, we all figured it was implied to work the same way Bank did. EVERY SINGLE Pokemon would be able to be transferred to the new games, just like before. Reminder that Home is a paid service, and may even cost more than Bank.

The fact that they hid this announcement in a Treehouse Stream, after tons of people had stopped watching, instead of announcing it when they announced Home, or in the three different presentations that featured this game, shows that they definitely didn't want this to be big news, which also feels underhanded.

People are allowed to criticize the graphics in here, I'm not sure why people are trying to silence that. When using phrases like "graphical fidelity" as reasons that Pokemon are being culled entirely, you kind of call attention to the graphics themselves, something Pokemon has never excelled at, and Sword and Shield don't seem to be breaking that trend.

 

[woman]

The back on forth on the last page is so weird. The new Pokemon games do look inexcusably shoddy and the only response to this seems to be "cmon, they're not THAT ugly"

like what?? ok?

 

[Cromat]

We can go around in circles about whether the animations look good or not, or whether the game's graphics are adequate etc, but it's a moot discussion.

But I think almost everyone agrees on two points:

1. Compatibility with every Pokemon is more important than particularly nice graphics or animation.

2. It is technically possible to include all of the pokemon in some way, even if that involves cutting some corners (or their profit margins). It's not even remotely impossible.

 

[XCKingBrent]

It is a improvement from Ultra Moon and Sun. Before Sword/Shield the Pokémon series had never been a AAA game series.They just sold like a AAA game series if not better. The series up until this point has been on handheld. Need I remind you of Kukui's weirded melded together 4 fingers on the 3DS?

Right now almost all of you are pissed or fake pissed and just nit picking because you're pissed or just trolling. Do not take that last comment personally, recently I've gotten into a debate with users on Era thinking they were serious and having a serious conversation with them and it turned out that they were trolling for the lulz.


Most importantly, y'all are dragging me into a conversation about graphics. I am flat out telling all of you that I don't care about this conversation. I think it looks good. You may not, if you don't feel free to have that conversation but leave me out of it. That's what initially wanted to get across to that first user who quoted me talking about visuals except he was a rude little shit so I replied like a asshole.

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>Fake pissed
>Nit picking
>trolling

Could just be that we're tired of the largest media franchise in the world cutting corners on not only quality content, but now the main meat of the games, for little to nothing in return. Could be that we want to see one of our favorite series be the best that it can be, not just for us, but for everybody. Could be that we're upset that Bank and Home are shaping up to be a huge "screw you" to consumers. Could be that we're tired of the blatant lies from Masuda and co. I'm not pissed, nit picking, or trolling. I'm disappointed, critiquing, and discussing. Big difference.

Also you make it sound like I insulted your mother or something, don't be so dramatic dude.

 

[udivision]

Can someone explain to me in the year 2019 with a console such as Switch why they couldn't just update the game with the rest of the Pokemon at a later date?

If they want to sell this Pokemon Home service wouldn't it be in their best interest to try and get every Pokemon in the game? A lot of this reaction would be lessened if they simply communicated they will update the game.

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I think Game Freak has expressed that they don't want to do updates like that.
They would also rather sell you a new version of a same game 1 or 2 years later than update something from free. I'm not trying to be super cynical here, but it's literally their MO.

Besides, if they're able to pull this off that means going forward each game will require a little less work that what would have originally be planned.
If they were going to have to patch it and add it later, that's still development time that they're trying to avoid.