Only Pokémon in Galar Pokédex can be transferred to Sword & Shield from Pokémon Home; similar restrictions intended for subsequent titles

Kanmurukillua

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Jan 28, 2019
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It's crazy to me how people are justifying this.
Haven't they had future-proofed high fidelity console-level models since X and Y? I haven't seen many move animations being changed, either.
There's absolutely no reason. The national dex didn't exist in Sun and Moon, so it can't be a Pokedex entry issue.
They already have all of the models, Pokemon being transferred over wouldn't require overworld models, either, since they wouldn't be wild Pokemon. Not that that matters either, considering Sun and Moon had walking animations for every single Pokemon that was created up to that point.
It can't be a balance issue either, considering they've NEVER cared about balance before this point.
This decision baffles me, and the people defending it baffle me even more.
 

ArchedThunder

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Oct 25, 2017
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Directors probably do not want to deal with the logistics of working with more people.

Not all studios have an obsession to grow, grow and grow.
Then maybe they shouldn't be working on 5 HD games at once with 150 employees.
Pokemon is one of the biggest brands in gaming and Game Freak doesn't treat it as such.
 

NHarmonic.

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Oct 27, 2017
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Directors probably do not want to deal with the logistics of working with more people.

Not all studios have an obsession to grow, grow and grow.
Then delay the game. Or actually plan it with more time so TPC can add filler to the anime or other shit with merchandising in order to wait.
 

Birdie

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Oct 26, 2017
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At the very least the show will still be able to use whatever Pokemon they want....I hope. 🤨

Once more I'm gonna wait and see what all you can do in Home before I declare Pokemon sent to it are held hostage.
 

Sain

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Nov 13, 2017
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I'm not all that upset about this move. Yes, I'm a filthy Gen Wunner, but there are just too many Pokemon to keep track of at this point. I kind of appreciate them trimming down the number of options available in the game. Maybe cutting the number available in the Galar Dex by half is kind of extreme, but the idea in and of itself seems logical.
 

Charlie0108

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Oct 29, 2017
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In between those gens please be excited to pay for the ability to look at your Magcargo locked behind glass.
Great, I'll happily pay five dollars a year* to keep my pokemon frozen in carbonite for a yet-to-be-determined amount of time.

Assuming they charge money for Home, which I'm sure they will.
that just sounds like a way for them to force people to pay for multiple years of pokemon home waiting for that generation so they can move their pokemon out of it.
I don't want to defend Game Freak over this awful decision but unless you unless you active transfer something that you know isn't compatible with Sword and Shield then your Pokemon won't be trapped in Home. Even in future gens, assuming the two way transferability remains between Sword and Shield and Home, you'll always be able to keep Pokemon in Sword and Shield that aren't in later titles.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't want to defend Game Freak over this awful decision but unless you unless you active transfer something that you know isn't compatible with Sword and Shield then your Pokemon won't be trapped in Home. Even in future gens, assuming the two way transferability remains between Sword and Shield and Home, you'll always be able to keep Pokemon in Sword and Shield that aren't in later titles.
Right, but we have no idea how long they plan on keeping Bank alive. There might be a time where it becomes "Transfer them to Home or you'll never get the chance again". And then they're stuck forever.
 

Wijuci

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Jan 16, 2018
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Stadium 1 on N64 has better Pokemon animations than Sw&Sh

Shit I thought you were joking but it really does look good.

And, worse, the explanation text is quicker and in sync with the animation, unlike the new games...

(Yeah I flinched yesterday when I saw Machoke being hit by hail, the animation, the text explaining what happened and the health bar slooooowly going down.)
 

ArchedThunder

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not all that upset about this move. Yes, I'm a filthy Gen Wunner, but there are just too many Pokemon to keep track of at this point. I kind of appreciate them trimming down the number of options available in the game. Maybe cutting the number available in the Galar Dex by half is kind of extreme, but the idea in and of itself seems logical.
The number of Pokemon in the regional dex isn't the issue, the issue is that unlike in previous games if a Pokemon isn't in the region dex it doesn't exist at all.
 

Birdie

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Oct 26, 2017
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I do have my gripes with the direction of some of the recent games but I've never felt I've been cheated out on content for what I paid.

Well maybe Let's Go but I didn't buy that...
 

Kanmurukillua

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Jan 28, 2019
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I'm not all that upset about this move. Yes, I'm a filthy Gen Wunner, but there are just too many Pokemon to keep track of at this point. I kind of appreciate them trimming down the number of options available in the game. Maybe cutting the number available in the Galar Dex by half is kind of extreme, but the idea in and of itself seems logical.
The number of options available in the game would have already been trimmed down, just like every Pokemon game before it, the issue is that veteran players can't transfer their Pokemon to this game unless they're already available in this game.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's crazy to me how people are justifying this.
Haven't they had future-proofed high fidelity console-level models since X and Y? I haven't seen many move animations being changed, either.
There's absolutely no reason. The national dex didn't exist in Sun and Moon, so it can't be a Pokedex entry issue.
They already have all of the models, Pokemon being transferred over wouldn't require overworld models, either, since they wouldn't be wild Pokemon. Not that that matters either, considering Sun and Moon had walking animations for every single Pokemon that was created up to that point.
It can't be a balance issue either, considering they've NEVER cared about balance before this point.
This decision baffles me, and the people defending it baffle me even more.
Its not about defending it

Its not about whether its possible

Its just a straight up decision they made for reasons that are important to them

And if you cant fathom the logical reasons why a creative force would want to shift gears, change up priorities, move on then I dont know what else to tell you
 

DongBeetle

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Oct 25, 2017
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Its not about defending it

Its not about whether its possible

Its just a straight up decision they made for reasons that are important to them

And if you cant fathom the logical reasons why a creative force would want to shift gears, change up priorities, move on then I dont know what else to tell you
We’re justified to be upset about it. Just because it’s their decision doesn’t mean it’s a good one
 

Ultima_5

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't want to defend Game Freak over this awful decision but unless you unless you active transfer something that you know isn't compatible with Sword and Shield then your Pokemon won't be trapped in Home. Even in future gens, assuming the two way transferability remains between Sword and Shield and Home, you'll always be able to keep Pokemon in Sword and Shield that aren't in later titles.
transfers from the 3ds/pokmon bank to pkmn home are one way. i highly doubt it'll have a warning about what pokes can then be moved to sword and shield.

i have all my pokes since the gba games moved into the 3ds games. i'd have to check each one to see if they can make it to sword/shield which is ridiculous to ask the consumer to do especially for a franchise aimed at kids.

once they're in there, the only way to keep any pokes not in sword/shield from being deleted, is to pay for pkmn home. that could be years until the next game and/or gen which may or may not let you import them.
 

Euler007

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Jan 10, 2018
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Its not about defending it

Its not about whether its possible

Its just a straight up decision they made for reasons that are important to them

And if you cant fathom the logical reasons why a creative force would want to shift gears, change up priorities, move on then I dont know what else to tell you
It's undefendable, doing it correctly was very possible and it's a terrible decision. The logical reasons are less expenses, more profits, and no considerations for hardcore living dexers. We can fathom them just fine.
 

Kanmurukillua

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Jan 28, 2019
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Its not about defending it

Its not about whether its possible

Its just a straight up decision they made for reasons that are important to them

And if you cant fathom the logical reasons why a creative force would want to shift gears, change up priorities, move on then I dont know what else to tell you
I understand that they made this decision for reasons that are important to them, it's just that none of the reasons they gave are apparent at all from looking at the game. Cutting Megas, Z-Moves, etc doesn't add anything to the game, other than enlarging Pokemon models. Cutting tons of Pokemon from the game doesn't add anything, because the old Pokemon still have the same animations, and most moves likely have the same animations as well aside from the odd Flame Charge-type change. There's really nothing that justifies this.
 

Glio

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Oct 27, 2017
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If they aren't willing to give Pokemon the treatment it deserves then they need to think about making a deal with a different studio or make a secondary studio dedicated to Pokemon.
But they made Pokémon. It's like saying that because G.R.R. Martin is not willing to finish Song of Ice and Fire because he is working with Miyazaki he should give the books to another writer.
 

Heartskips

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Oct 25, 2017
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If they aren't willing to give Pokemon the treatment it deserves then they need to think about making a deal with a different studio or make a secondary studio dedicated to Pokemon.
I honestly think Gamefreak can make great Pokémon games and does a lot of good with the franchise, but I feel like their main heads should change. Masuda has a philosophy that goes directly against content full games and he seems way too easily influenced by mobile.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
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We’re justified to be upset about it. Just because it’s their decision doesn’t mean it’s a good one
Sure but good lord at some of the language in here

Im not super happy about it either since i skipped a few gens and wanted a chance at some of the stuff i missed but that on me

I inherently recognized that the expanding roster and feature/power creep would eventually force a decision on their end

With a new platform and tons of young employees hungry to make something of their own I dont blame them for ripping band aids
 

DongBeetle

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Oct 25, 2017
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But they made Pokémon. It's like saying that because G.R.R. Martin is not willing to finish Song of Ice and Fire because he is working with Miyazaki he should give the books to another writer.
And both series would probably be better off for it. Just because it's someone else's property doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize stupid ass decisions.
 

Ultima_5

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Oct 25, 2017
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I honestly think Gamefreak can make great Pokémon games and does a lot of good with the franchise, but I feel like their main heads should change. Masuda has a philosophy that goes directly against content full games and he seems way too easily influenced by mobile.
agreed. the games haven't been good in some time, and this goes along with that. i honestly would love to see what they could do if they switched pokemon from an annual franchise to a once a generation franchise. the games wouldn't be as incomplete as the 3ds, and they could you actually animate the pokemon again.
 

Menitta

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Oct 25, 2017
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If they aren't willing to give Pokemon the treatment it deserves then they need to think about making a deal with a different studio or make a secondary studio dedicated to Pokemon.
They want their groceries to be in one bag but they dont want the bag to be heavy.

They kept adding groceries to their bag and even sold people something that let's them move their groceries into the brand new bag and now they wanna put some groceries back and then you realize shit, I wasted my time and money on a living grocery store.
 

Ushojax

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Oct 30, 2017
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I honestly think Gamefreak can make great Pokémon games and does a lot of good with the franchise, but I feel like their main heads should change. Masuda has a philosophy that goes directly against content full games and he seems way too easily influenced by mobile.
They need a bigger team, it’s that simple. Pokemon is one of the biggest gaming franchises and now that we are in the era of HD open world games, Game Freak need to expand if they are going to deliver a satisfying product. This is the most advanced game they have ever made and it’s still incredibly crude in many ways compared to most other RPGs or open world games. Game Freak are more than a decade behind most other studios and it’s really showing now. They have always cut popular features but now they are cutting whole swathes of Pokemon too, they are having to cut corners everywhere.
 

ArchedThunder

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Oct 25, 2017
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But they made Pokémon. It's like saying that because G.R.R. Martin is not willing to finish Song of Ice and Fire because he is working with Miyazaki he should give the books to another writer.
Apples to Oranges, Books are by one person and games are by many. GRR doesn't need to hire 100s of people to finish his books. A secondary studio would also still be part of Game Freak, but it would allow them to not have to worry about Pokemon hurting their weird obsession with being small.
 

Nazo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kinda sucks that home is essentially useless out the gate. Personally though, I don't mind not being able to have all Pokemon in the game. It's never been something that really bothered me as I never transferred Pokemon to any games. I see why this is a real bummer though to fans. It's not a deal breaker for me personally but I totally get where people are coming from.
 

Heartskips

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Oct 25, 2017
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They need a bigger team, it’s that simple. Pokemon is one of the biggest gaming franchises and now that we are in the era of HD open world games, Game Freak need to expand if they are going to deliver a satisfying product. This is the most advanced game they have ever made and it’s still incredibly crude in many ways compared to most other RPGs or open world games. Game Freak are more than a decade behind most other studios and it’s really showing now. They have always cut popular features but now they are cutting while swathes of Pokemon too, they are having to cut corners everywhere.
I usually defend their desire to not overbudget in this AAA crunch industry, but it's hard to defend when they decide to make so many games at the same time and this ends up in the main releases getting hit by this.

Now they want to make their own original stuff, Pokémon, the mobile games, etc. Then yeah, I get the problem with this. The moment Pokémon start getting cut because they're making too many projects, then they're crossing a line.
 

Glio

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Apples to Oranges, Books are by one person and games are by many. GRR doesn't need to hire 100s of people to finish his books. A secondary studio would also still be part of Game Freak, but it would allow them to not have to worry about Pokemon hurting their weird obsession with being small.
How to manage a completely new secondary studio does not affect the decision to want to work in small teams.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
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They need a bigger team, it’s that simple. Pokemon is one of the biggest gaming franchises and now that we are in the era of HD open world games, Game Freak need to expand if they are going to deliver a satisfying product. This is the most advanced game they have ever made and it’s still incredibly crude in many ways compared to most other RPGs or open world games. Game Freak are more than a decade behind most other studios and it’s really showing now. They have always cut popular features but now they are cutting whole swathes of Pokemon too, they are having to cut corners everywhere.
that simple?

Have we learned nothing reading articles on this site that throwing money and resources at a problem isnt enough

I usually defend their desire to not overbudget in this AAA crunch industry, but it's hard to defend when they decide to make so many games at the same time and this ends up in the main releases getting hit by this.

Now they want to make their own original stuff, Pokémon, the mobile games, etc. Then yeah, I get the problem with this. The moment Pokémon start getting cut because they're making too many projects, then they're crossing a line.
Its not a "hit" to the game from their perspective if they never intended to develop it to that scale to begin with

This was a deliberate design decision to not carry the weight of the entire roster going forward not some technical or resource hurdle brought on by external factors

They want to change the game and how they make them. Sure its not super evident now in Sword and shield hence all the heat they are taking but they are running with it... for now
 

Hercule

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Jun 20, 2018
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My brother who lives and works in Japan doesn't seem hopeful about GF changing this decision. Japanese companies are extremely stubborn when they made up their mind.

The only thing that might help if people vote with their wallet.
 

Boogiepop

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Oct 25, 2017
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Man, just realized this sucks worse than I was thinking as I grabbed Let's Go as an intro Pokemon game for my nephew, and already had to explain to him stuff like Crobat existing, but our Golbat can't turn into it... and I figured hey, this would be his first REAL Pokemon game... but now it actually STILL doesn't open it up to letting me help him out and get to use whatever in game (Admittedly still would largely be stuff in game as is, but it would be real cool to be able to be like "Oh yeah, you think Sandygast is cool? Well, we can't catch one in the game, but I think I can get you one...")
 

Menitta

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kinda sucks that home is essentially useless out the gate. Personally though, I don't mind not being able to have all Pokemon in the game. It's never been something that really bothered me as I never transferred Pokemon to any games. I see why this is a real bummer though to fans. It's not a deal breaker for me personally but I totally get where people are coming from.
I was upset by this at the beginning but I realized the team I made and stuck with since Diamond is still on my copy of Alpha Sapphire, so it probably won't hurt me that much lol. I'm sure the pokemon in the game is still gonna provide a fine pokemon game.

It's just really hard to believe the idea that this change in design will result in a more content rich games later down the line. Also DP Remakes are fucking dead now.
 

Entryhazard

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Oct 25, 2017
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Its not about defending it

Its not about whether its possible

Its just a straight up decision they made for reasons that are important to them

And if you cant fathom the logical reasons why a creative force would want to shift gears, change up priorities, move on then I dont know what else to tell you
then they have made the wrong decision and I hope the fans make them eat shit for this until they cave, it's just that simple