Only Pokémon in Galar Pokédex can be transferred to Sword & Shield from Pokémon Home; similar restrictions intended for subsequent titles

Yata

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Feb 1, 2019
416
Spain
Great, the animation excuse again. Be it Pokemon (as Masuda is implying) or even the humans themselves, GF has shown no signs of actual significant improvement in Sword and Shield yet. And what can I say, I doubt they will.


Anyway, no value in continuing discussing this for me, really.
 

WrenchNinja

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,963
Canada
Ive been using my Sceptile from Ruby for close to 2 decades now. Thinking about it being cut is just completely disheartening. It has all those league and contest ribbons and its fight is just done if its not in the dex.
 

DongBeetle

Member
Oct 25, 2017
806
Great, the animation excuse again. Be it Pokemon (as Matsuda is implying) or even the humans themselves, GF has shown no signs of actual significant improvement in Sword and Shield yet. And what can I say, I doubt they will.


Anyway, no value in continuing discussing this for me, really.
God it really does look like the 3DS games in HD. Yeah I'm not seeing the worthy tradeoff
 

pokéfan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,597

They are noticing, hopefully a conference meeting is done between Nintendo, TCP and GameFreak, this could be damaging for the brand the longer the black-lash continues.
 

ArchedThunder

Uncle Beerus
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,361
Great, the animation excuse again. Be it Pokemon (as Masuda is implying) or even the humans themselves, GF has shown no signs of actual significant improvement in Sword and Shield yet. And what can I say, I doubt they will.


Anyway, no value in continuing discussing this for me, really.
When your 2019 AAA RPG has jankier human animation transitions than Oblivion.
 
Oct 25, 2017
352
Great, the animation excuse again. Be it Pokemon (as Masuda is implying) or even the humans themselves, GF has shown no signs of actual significant improvement in Sword and Shield yet. And what can I say, I doubt they will.


Anyway, no value in continuing discussing this for me, really.

This is what blew me away with Let's Go also. NPC animations looked like absolute garbage. Inexcusable for a franchise that makes billions of dollars.
 

Menitta

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Oct 25, 2017
2,062
Great, the animation excuse again. Be it Pokemon (as Masuda is implying) or even the humans themselves, GF has shown no signs of actual significant improvement in Sword and Shield yet. And what can I say, I doubt they will.


Anyway, no value in continuing discussing this for me, really.
This is why I dont buy the idea that they went into Gen 8 with this in mind at all. The ONLY benefit of the doubt I can give is that gen 9 should be actually a huge leap from what Pokemon used to be. We'll know either way eventually.

Personally I don't see that panning out. It'll be the same game we always get but less pokemon.
 

Maple

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Oct 27, 2017
1,996
Great, the animation excuse again. Be it Pokemon (as Masuda is implying) or even the humans themselves, GF has shown no signs of actual significant improvement in Sword and Shield yet. And what can I say, I doubt they will.


Anyway, no value in continuing discussing this for me, really.
Compare this to the Dragon Quest XI demo on Treehouse today. It was beautiful and looked like a true Switch title. This...does not. At all.

Just embarrassing.
 

Ultima_5

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,328
Great, the animation excuse again. Be it Pokemon (as Masuda is implying) or even the humans themselves, GF has shown no signs of actual significant improvement in Sword and Shield yet. And what can I say, I doubt they will.


Anyway, no value in continuing discussing this for me, really.
christ. this really puts the animation excuse into perspective. thats sub ps2 era
 

GreenMamba

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,882
It's actually utterly fascinating (in a horrible way) how much this has completely sucked up all of the goodwill Sword & Shield had been building up. Two completely brand new Pokemon were spotted in the E3 demo and no one even cares.

One of them is based on a damn corgi and it's been swallowed up by this.
 
Feb 26, 2019
582
Tijuana
I mean, what are people expecting?

Other IPs with huge Bestiaries had to hit the Reset Button for their first HD entries, what made y'all think Pokemon would be any different?
Uhm, maybe the fact that Pokémon is the highest-grossing media franchise ever?


I keep reading this argument about how impossible it is for a videogame to deal with 1000+ creatures.

Yes, currently it might be impossible, it sounds extreme, and it hasn't been done before (I guess) but Pokémon is so important, and it's so successful, that it should be the one pushing these boundaries and make Pokémon the first videogame to achieve this feat. It's the least they could do as the most powerful franchise that there is in their area.

As I've said earlier, technology just keeps getting bigger, better and faster. New and more powerful consoles will come out in the future that will be more than capable to handle 1000+ creatures. But they've already decided that they've reached their limit in terms of how many Pokémon they're willing to deal on each game at a time, from now on.

If they keep this approach as they've threatened, we'll have to see how it reflects in all the other aspects of the games. In future games there won't be excuses if we don't have customized animations for every Pokémon when they make different moves (Blastoise's cannons problem i.e.)

Or the animation of physical moves, like having the actual Pokémon getting closer to the enemy to inflict the attack. The Regional Pokédexes have to look amazing in terms of UI, and so with every other menu, box, etc. Online features have to improve as well, the loading speed, the storyline content, the overworld design, etc. I don't know how many games we'll get this generation, but I suppose Gen IX will come for the Switch as well. If we don't see a huge improvement from SwSh to those games, then it will be very sad to confirm their lack of ambition.



I mean, after SwSh they will have all the Pokémon that appear there ready to use for any other Switch game within this generation. Let's suppose we get DP remakes next, with the missing Pokémon. They only have to work in the missing Pokémon that didn't make it to SwSh (and probably there will be still some missing after DP) and bring over the ones that were already done for SwSh. But I'm 99% sure they won't, because by what they said they just simply don't want to handle the ~900 at the same time on any future game.


As some people said, this is not an indie company with 4 people at a garage. I mean, in a way they kinda are comparing to the size of the franchise. They need to grow in number or outsource if they can't handle it by themselves. I repeat, the highest-grossing media franchise deserves it and is more than capable to afford it.
 

DongBeetle

Member
Oct 25, 2017
806
Uhm, maybe the fact that Pokémon is the highest-grossing media franchise ever?


I keep reading this argument about how impossible it is for a videogame to deal with 1000+ creatures.

Yes, currently it might be impossible, it sounds extreme, and it hasn't been done before (I guess) but Pokémon is so important, and it's so successful, that it should be the one pushing these boundaries and make Pokémon the first videogame to achieve this feat. It's the least they could do as the most powerful franchise that there is in their area.

As I've said earlier, technology just keeps getting bigger, better and faster. New and more powerful consoles will come out in the future that will be more than capable to handle 1000+ creatures. But they've already decided that they've reached their limit in terms of how many Pokémon they're willing to deal on each game at a time, from now on.

If they keep this approach as they've threatened, we'll have to see how it reflects in all the other aspects of the games. In future games there won't be excuses if we don't have customized animations for every Pokémon when they make different moves (Blastoise's cannons problem i.e.)

Or the animation of physical moves, like having the actual Pokémon getting closer to the enemy to inflict the attack. The Regional Pokédexes have to look amazing in terms of UI, and so with every other menu, box, etc. Online features have to improve as well, the loading speed, the storyline content, the overworld design, etc. I don't know how many games we'll get this generation, but I suppose Gen IX will come for the Switch as well. If we don't see a huge improvement from SwSh to those games, then it will be very sad to confirm their lack of ambition.



I mean, after SwSh they will have all the Pokémon that appear there ready to use for any other Switch game within this generation. Let's suppose we get DP remakes next, with the missing Pokémon. They only have to work in the missing Pokémon that didn't make it to SwSh (and probably there will be still some missing after DP) and bring over the ones that were already done for SwSh. But I'm 99% sure they won't, because by what they said they just simply don't want to handle the ~900 at the same time on any future game.


As some people said, this is not an indie company with 4 people at a garage. I mean, in a way they kinda are comparing to the size of the franchise. They need to grow in number or outsource if they can't handle it by themselves. I repeat, the highest-grossing media franchise deserves it and is more than capable to afford it.
Yep. Basically they’re taking away the one thing Pokémon ever really excelled at. Without the large quantity of monsters and the deep meta game it’s just a mediocre RPG for kids
 

ArchedThunder

Uncle Beerus
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Oct 25, 2017
7,361
It's actually utterly fascinating (in a horrible way) how much this has completely sucked up all of the goodwill Sword & Shield had been building up. Two completely brand new Pokemon were spotted in the E3 demo and no one even cares.

One of them is based on a damn corgi and it's been swallowed up by this.
Who could have guessed that Pokemon are the fanbase's favorite part of the series?
 

GreenMamba

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Oct 25, 2017
1,882
Good thing this game will have an incredibly deep postgame that justifies raising and breeding your Pokemon afterwards!

haha

EDIT: And I still can't believe they have the audacity to charge you for the opportunity to put your Pokemon behind glass with no idea whether they'll ever be able to see the light of day again. Absolute master stroke.
 

diakyu

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Dec 15, 2018
1,763
Just read the interview. Hope you guys like Kanto. "fan favorites" get the fuck out of here. We know what GF thinks those are.
 

wholahay

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Dec 18, 2017
166
It's actually utterly fascinating (in a horrible way) how much this has completely sucked up all of the goodwill Sword & Shield had been building up. Two completely brand new Pokemon were spotted in the E3 demo and no one even cares.
I wouldn't say that's true; I've seen plenty of enthusiasm for Yamper and Impidimp. But yeah, the initial backlash to the reveal (mostly disappointment in the visuals) was giving way to goodwill only for now there to be a full-fledged shitstorm. And I honestly think it's fully justified. It's not every day I support, like, "angry gamer" campaigns, but I truly hope people don't let this go and Nintendo actually acquiesces in some way. Or at least acknowledges people's upset.
 

Kiraly

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Oct 30, 2017
2,366
Great, the animation excuse again. Be it Pokemon (as Masuda is implying) or even the humans themselves, GF has shown no signs of actual significant improvement in Sword and Shield yet. And what can I say, I doubt they will.


Anyway, no value in continuing discussing this for me, really.
jesus fucking christ GameFreak
 

C-revo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
105
If they need help then it's not like they would be unable to get it. I'm sure developers all around the world would be more than willing to help. Nintendo needs to step in or watch one of their cash cows disappear.
 

NHarmonic.

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
4,216
Great, the animation excuse again. Be it Pokemon (as Masuda is implying) or even the humans themselves, GF has shown no signs of actual significant improvement in Sword and Shield yet. And what can I say, I doubt they will.


Anyway, no value in continuing discussing this for me, really.
This is laughable.

Ps1 level. Chrono Cross models moved more fluid than this.
 

Aaron

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Oct 25, 2017
9,897
This is so stupid. Just announce the National Pokedex is coming by way of a post-launch update and with that, the missing Pokemon. They don't even need to be made obtainable in the game, just make it so they can be transferred from previous games.
 

pokéfan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,597
If they need help then it's not like they would be unable to get it. I'm sure developers all around the world would be more than willing to help. Nintendo needs to step in or watch one of their cash cows disappear.
Their priorities are elsewhere and Pokemon is suffering, they have their fingers in 3 pies, mobile games, town and Pokemon series which is split into 2 teams. There wouldn’t be a problem if half of the team wasn’t involved on other projects lol
 

Cromat

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Mar 17, 2019
130
Given that this is their policy going forward, what I don't understand is whether the cut pokemon are cut for good, or will reach region have its own selection of the total roster.

It'll be quite bad if they just completely eliminate certain Pokemon for good.
 

ArchedThunder

Uncle Beerus
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Oct 25, 2017
7,361
Their priorities are elsewhere and Pokemon is suffering, they have their fingers in 3 pies, mobile games, town and Pokemon series which is split into 2 teams. There wouldn’t be a problem if half of the team wasn’t involved on other projects lol
Don't forget Project Gear, which is said to be Game Freak's focus OVER Pokemon.
 
Feb 26, 2019
582
Tijuana
I keep going back and fourth on this. On one hand, I get it, they made a big game and adding all 800 Pokemon must be a huge undertaking. People wanted pokemon in the overworld, and the game to look better, and pokemon to be more detailed. At some point, they probably have to make some sacrifices.

That being said, we don't know how many. Like is there only 400? 200? 700? Depending on that number it might make this a bit easier, but I feel like we'll have primarily the "popular" pokemon.
And with either number it would still suck.

I think we're all expecting 350-400 at least, 500 at most. That would be almost half the 'mons getting scrapped. However, if they somehow include, let's say 700, 750 that would be "better" but then it would be like, why couldn't they include the few dozens that were left? It would be even more hurtful for those expecting to see their favorite Pokémon to know that precisely their fave fell in that small selected group of doomed Pokémon lol
 

NaDannMaGoGo

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Oct 25, 2017
1,687
Great, the animation excuse again. Be it Pokemon (as Masuda is implying) or even the humans themselves, GF has shown no signs of actual significant improvement in Sword and Shield yet. And what can I say, I doubt they will.


Anyway, no value in continuing discussing this for me, really.
The lack of ambitions from GameFreak's management is honestly appalling. All this stuff, the crappy animations, the lackluster performance (who's looking forward to framerate drops in this already visually underwhelming game that probably runs at a mere 30fps?), the (eventually) underwhelming endgame content, the poor storytelling, and so on and so forth. It remains like that because...they're apparently fine with it? They have all the money in the world and a massive fanbase but, somehow they don't feel like investing much into anything. Boggles my mind that shit like the bad performance, which results in development struggles, too, I imagine, didn't lead them to invest into some damned good new engine and engine programmers (or consider transitioning to e.g. UE4). No, billions at their hand, but they're still happy to deliver games that look at least a tier behind e.g. NIntendo's good dev studios and can't keep up in regards to framerate, either.

I wouldn't mind GameFreak desiring to stay a bit smaller scale if they were actually very competent at what they do already. But, well...
 

Maple

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Oct 27, 2017
1,996
Given that this is their policy going forward, what I don't understand is whether the cut pokemon are cut for good, or will reach region have its own selection of the total roster.

It'll be quite bad if they just completely eliminate certain Pokemon for good.
It's going to be an absolute fucking mess going forward. Each game will have different lineups of Pokemon. You'll have to look up which Pokemon are compatible with each game. It's going to be a jumbled mess.
 

C-revo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
105
Their priorities are elsewhere and Pokemon is suffering, they have their fingers in 3 pies, mobile games, town and Pokemon series which is split into 2 teams. There wouldn’t be a problem if half of the team wasn’t involved on other projects lol
I forgot about Town. That pet project may be doa if this continues.
 

LukarWuff

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Oct 27, 2017
5,228
Given that this is their policy going forward, what I don't understand is whether the cut pokemon are cut for good, or will reach region have its own selection of the total roster.

It'll be quite bad if they just completely eliminate certain Pokemon for good.
The way Masuda talked made it sound like they'll choose Pokémon on a game-by-game basis. What worries me about that is doing so means you may have to wait years between games before you can use a specific Pokémon again, depending on how they cycle through the roster.
 

GreenMamba

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Oct 25, 2017
1,882
Fifteen years down the line Game Freak will suddenly realize that they haven't included Heatran in a game since Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon.

"Oops."

---

These guys were seriously trying to sell Pokemon Home not even a month ago.
 

ArchedThunder

Uncle Beerus
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,361
It's going to be an absolute fucking mess going forward. Each game will have different lineups of Pokemon. You'll have to look up which Pokemon are compatible with each game. It's going to be a jumbled mess.
They probably won't even bother having any compatibility between games in the same gen outside of Home transferring. Why bother when the rosters are different and they can squeeze people for more money?
 

Sedett

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Jan 12, 2018
255
Seeing how Gamefreak is refusing to budge, there's three things I need to know before I even consider these games again:
1. How many Pokemon will be in the Galar dex?
2. How many new Pokemon will there be?
3. Will Pokemon who aren't in Sword and Shield appear in later Gen 8 games? Or will we have to wait until Gen 9 or Gen 10, etc? Will some Pokemon never appear again?
 

Ushojax

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,384
Given that this is their policy going forward, what I don't understand is whether the cut pokemon are cut for good, or will reach region have its own selection of the total roster.

It'll be quite bad if they just completely eliminate certain Pokemon for good.
Each region will have its own walled-off set of Pokemon. You may have to wait years for certain Pokemon to become playable again.

Hard to believe that there will probably be several Alola Pokemon that don’t even make it to Sword and Shield. If Oranguru and Minior don’t make it I’m going to cry a little bit...
 

ArchedThunder

Uncle Beerus
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,361
Seeing how Gamefreak is refusing to budge, there's three things I need to know before I even consider these games again:
1. How many Pokemon will be in the Galar dex?
2. How many new Pokemon will there be?
3. Will Pokemon who aren't in Sword and Shield appear in later Gen 8 games? Or will we have to wait until Gen 9 or Gen 10, etc? Will some Pokemon never appear again?
It's only been a little over a day, it will take time for them to announce they are reversing course on this policy. People just need to keep making noise.
It took what, a few weeks for the MM2 change to be announced? I wouldn't be surprised that if they are going to change this that they make the announcement in like an August or September Direct or something.
 

Kiraly

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,366
The lack of ambitions from GameFreak's management is honestly appalling. All this stuff, the crappy animations, the lackluster performance (who's looking forward to framerate drops in this already visually underwhelming game that probably runs at a mere 30fps?), the (eventually) underwhelming endgame content, the poor storytelling, and so on and so forth. It remains like that because...they're apparently fine with it? They have all the money in the world and a massive fanbase but, somehow they don't feel like investing much into anything. Boggles my mind that shit like the bad performance, which results in development struggles, too, I imagine, didn't lead them to invest into some damned good new engine and engine programmers (or consider transitioning to e.g. UE4). No, billions at their hand, but they're still happy to deliver games that look at least a tier behind e.g. NIntendo's good dev studios and can't keep up in regards to framerate, either.

I wouldn't mind GameFreak desiring to stay a bit smaller scale if they were actually very competent at what they do already. But, well...
It all just makes me sad. My favourite franchise in the hands of a company that seemingly is not willing to invest to get their games up to MODERN DAY STANDARDS. Holy fuck, that animation clip just infuriated me. Those kind of animations in a fucking 60 dollar 2019 Switch game.

The games have always felt like GameBoy titles and it looks to be like this will be no different. Fucking static bullshit that belongs in the early 2000s.

Over/under on when these games will get voice acting and animated cutscenes? My guess is in the 2030s.