Only Pokémon in Galar Pokédex can be transferred to Sword & Shield from Pokémon Home; similar restrictions intended for subsequent titles

Farrac

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There's apparently some sort of Famitsu interview in here where Masuda elaborates on the matter, but I haven't confirmed it myself.

 

Pokemaniac

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Can you explain why? 800 was reached with last gen and there was no indication then they were going to do this. Yet you add a handful more and the system they had in place over the last decade plus suddenly collapses on itself?
You could argue that pushing the national Dex to Pokémon Bank was an early warning sign that this might happen, but nobody thought they'd actually be crazy enough to remove Pokémon.
 

Future Gazer

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There's apparently some sort of Famitsu interview in here where Masuda elaborates on the matter, but I haven't confirmed it myself.

Hmm, confirms that Masuda is not happy with the decision.
 

RageBawt

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There's apparently some sort of Famitsu interview in here where Masuda elaborates on the matter, but I haven't confirmed it myself.

It says they have to rebuild every model from scratch that's the total opposite to what everyone is saying on here.
 

Maple

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Oct 27, 2017
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There's apparently some sort of Famitsu interview in here where Masuda elaborates on the matter, but I haven't confirmed it myself.

I'm using Google Translate for this, but it seems that they're "undecided" if they will support more Pokemon via future updates? This could easily be a translation error.
 

RochHoch

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It says they have to rebuild every model from scratch that's the total opposite to what everyone is saying on here.
The hell? I think that the models for Sword and Shield are IDENTICAL to the models they've been using since Gen 6.

If true, it really seems like they're bullshitting us at this point.
 

Heartskips

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At this point, Nintendo should just make a completely new monster catching series "featuring" some Pokemon as guest characters. It'd certainly overshadow Gamefreak's future games if they're sabotaging themselves like this.
I would be up for it.

I think it's lame how they dropped their other "monster collecting" series. Feels like Custom Robo, Fossil Fighters, Kurikin and Card Hero all were cut off to not take space from Pokémon. I mean, I get that some don't sell well (like Kurikin), but the other 3 had a few entries with decent success and could keep going.
 

ExoExplorer

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Translated with google translate so take with a grain of salt.

In regards to Masuda's feelings on excluding Pokemon.

"Masuda This decision is personally sad and sad. Of course, I wanted to be able to bring all Pokemon if I could do it, but it was also a decision that I had to make some day. In the end, I had no choice but to choose the quality. "

Original Text -
増田 今回の決断は個人的には寂しいし、悲しいことです。もちろん、できることならすべてのポケモンを連れてこられるようにしたかったのですが、いつかはせねばならない決断でもありました。最終的にはクオリティーを選択せざるを得なかったのです。

Well for all our sakes I hope to see some of this quality. Not looking so great right now.
 

Atheerios

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New details via Famitsu interview:

  1. Masuda is not happy with the decision.
  2. They haven't decided whether to release an update to add the missing Pokémon in the future.
  3. They considered doing this for Sun/Moon.
  4. Counting forms, the current total in SWSH is more than 1000 Pokémon.
  5. Even if a Pokémon can't be imported to SWSH, you will be able to play with it in Pokémon Home in some way.
  6. They are considering using the models/animations they have created for SWSH in future entries but nothing is guaranteed as that will depend on new mechanics like Dynamax/Megas, that require additional work for every Pokémon.
 
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Kirbivore

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Oct 25, 2017
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New details via Famitsu interview:

  1. Masuda is not happy with the decision.
  2. They haven't decided whether to release an update to add the missing Pokémon in the future.
  3. They considered doing this for Sun/Moon.
  4. Counting forms, the current total is more than 1000 Pokémon.
  5. The idea is to use the models/animations they have created for SWSH in future entries but nothing is guaranteed as that will depend on new mechanics like Dynamax/Megas, that require additional work for every Pokémon.
Just like I said, they considered doing this back in S/M by the sheer fact that the National Dex didn't make it in.

And Masuda keeps making decisions he's not happy with.
 

Apopheniac

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Oct 25, 2017
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Google Translate Masuda said:
That is the reason for this decision, and we have decided that it is difficult to make all Pokemons appear in future works.
Assuming this wasn't mangled too horribly, it suggests again that we're not getting complete National Dexes in games for the foreseeable future.
 

RochHoch

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May 22, 2018
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New details via Famitsu interview:

  1. Masuda is not happy with the decision.
  2. They haven't decided whether to release an update to add the missing Pokémon in the future.
  3. They considered doing this for Sun/Moon.
  4. Counting forms, the current total is more than 1000 Pokémon.
  5. The idea is to use the models/animations they have created for SWSH in future entries but nothing is guaranteed as that will depend on new mechanics like Dynamax/Megas, that require additional work for every Pokémon.
Hopefully the sheer amount of outrage that this whole debacle has caused convinces them to make that update. I'm not expecting it though.

At least the reuse of models for the future sounds encouraging, since it could potentially mean that this won't happen again after Sword and Shield, at least for a while.
 

Farrac

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Nov 3, 2017
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New details via Famitsu interview:

  1. Masuda is not happy with the decision.
  2. They haven't decided whether to release an update to add the missing Pokémon in the future.
  3. They considered doing this for Sun/Moon.
  4. Counting forms, the current total in SWSH is more than 1000 Pokémon.
  5. The idea is to use the models/animations they have created for SWSH in future entries but nothing is guaranteed as that will depend on new mechanics like Dynamax/Megas, that require additional work for every Pokémon.
Bolded really ticks me off, because it's so ambiguous that it means almost nothing.

And the fifth point makes no sense whatsoever. They are supposed to be using the same models since XY
 

Heartskips

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Oct 25, 2017
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No one wants Dynamax. Stop this. lol Pokémon are more important than dumb gimmicks that add nothing but fluff.
 

LJKO

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Nov 16, 2017
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You monsters, You better let me transfer my Shiny Eevee!!!!!! Whatever you better put 200+ new pokemon for compensation
 

The Last One

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hummm I'm not sure they rebuild the models from scratch, they look like exactly the same tbh. Unless he's talking about the new Pokémon only, which would be a obvious thing.

Let's GO:



Sword/Shield:

 

louisacommie

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Oct 25, 2017
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the fact they need to make sacrifices to a have these graphics is pathetic

If any other dev made a game with these vs
graphics 90 percent of people would call it garbage and compare it to yooka laylee

but game freak just has such low expectations

and they somehow went lower
 

DrakenAstro

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But anyways this confirms a patch isn't put of the question right? Maybe if we keep being vocal (but in a none abusive way) they'll add a patch
 

Keyouta

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Masuda doesn't make sense, as since XY, the models have been made to be future proofed already to go into the HD era. The attack, idle, and models themselves in SwSh look the fucking same as previous gens.

What was the point of future-proofing? What was the point of high density models in the 3DS games, slowing down the games so that things like rotation and triple battles were thrown away, and regular battles chopped from 60 fps to 30 with dips.
 

Raspyberry

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Oct 25, 2017
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The more I think about this and the more I read from that interview with Masuda, the more I think that there's something else going on here. Some plan to monetize the shit out the franchise even more or something. I don't know. But the explanations being given by Game Freak make zero sense. None at all.

Maybe the plan all along was to force people into Home, charge for it, and then disallow players from being able to store those Pokemon in the games, thereby necessitating something like Home. All they have to do is end support for Bank and players won't have a choice.

All this talk about animations, balance, etc, doesn't come anywhere close to justifying the removal of hundreds of Pokemon in these games.
This is what I've been thinking as well. Some form of monetization.
 

Ms.Galaxy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, no. The legacy Pokemon models are from Pokemon X and Y, I can see some of the same polygonal angles on the old Pokemon. The fact he also had to mention that he was thinking about doing it with Sun and Moon, which also use the same models, is just the icing on the cake. It's not about the models and animation, it's something else.
 
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Pokemon might as well be the biggest IP in the world of gaming.

How in the fuck do they not have the budget and resources for this? Just do it.

No one gives a shit about the new gimmick shit, cut that before cutting fucking Pokemon.
 

konoka

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Dec 20, 2017
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New details via Famitsu interview:

  1. Masuda is not happy with the decision.
  2. They haven't decided whether to release an update to add the missing Pokémon in the future.
  3. They considered doing this for Sun/Moon.
  4. Counting forms, the current total in SWSH is more than 1000 Pokémon.
  5. The idea is to use the models/animations they have created for SWSH in future entries but nothing is guaranteed as that will depend on new mechanics like Dynamax/Megas, that require additional work for every Pokémon.
I think this summary should pay more attention to this part.
「――現ハードの水準に達したグラフィックのポケモンをシリーズの展開に合わせて随時増やしていくのではなくて、あくまでも、そのタイトルに合ったポケモンを『Pokemon Home』から連れてこられるようにするというわけですね。

増田 そうですね。『Pokemon Home』に皆さんのポケモンを連れてきていただいて、そこからいろいろなタイトルにお出かけしていく感覚になると思います。ポケモンの気持ち的に言いますと、「この地方は寒いから、お留守番しているね」という感じですね。また、『Pokemon Home』に関しては、何かしらの遊びを用意したいとも考えています。」
Increasing available Pokemon in one title is not their master plan.
Pokemon Home is the Home.
 

Jessie

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Oct 27, 2017
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New details via Famitsu interview:

  1. Masuda is not happy with the decision.
  2. They haven't decided whether to release an update to add the missing Pokémon in the future.
  3. They considered doing this for Sun/Moon.
  4. Counting forms, the current total in SWSH is more than 1000 Pokémon.
  5. Even if a Pokémon can't be imported to SWSH, you will be able to play with it in Pokémon Home in some way.
  6. They are considering using the models/animations they have created for SWSH in future entries but nothing is guaranteed as that will depend on new mechanics like Dynamax/Megas, that require additional work for every Pokémon.
 

NeonZ

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Oct 28, 2017
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He talks like the Dynamax Pokemon have different models (comparing them with Megas in workload), so he might actually be counting them in that "over 1000 Pokemon and forms!" statement. His words are really insulting with how blatantly he is lying.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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New details via Famitsu interview:

  1. Masuda is not happy with the decision.
  2. They haven't decided whether to release an update to add the missing Pokémon in the future.
  3. They considered doing this for Sun/Moon.
  4. Counting forms, the current total in SWSH is more than 1000 Pokémon.
  5. Even if a Pokémon can't be imported to SWSH, you will be able to play with it in Pokémon Home in some way.
  6. They are considering using the models/animations they have created for SWSH in future entries but nothing is guaranteed as that will depend on new mechanics like Dynamax/Megas, that require additional work for every Pokémon.
how are there over a thousand pokemon in SwSh if they arent all in the code?
 

Farrac

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Wasn't Mega Sharpedo's model lacking some extra teeth or something that was never fixed? I wish the model was in SwSh.
 

Heartskips

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Pokemon might as well be the biggest IP in the world of gaming.

How in the fuck do they not have the budget and resources for this? Just do it.
Gamefreak decided they're too big for only Pokémon and now are doing mobile games themselves, original projects and even managed to waste a lot of development time from this in making yet another Kanto remake. They're stretching themselves too much and this is how we got here.

But it's certainly a horrible decision to prioritize a gimmick no one asked for instead of the POKÉMON, literally the reason the franchise exists.
 

MagicDoogies

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Oct 31, 2017
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The hell? I think that the models for Sword and Shield are IDENTICAL to the models they've been using since Gen 6.

If true, it really seems like they're bullshitting us at this point.
It has to be utter bullshit. Otherwise right now Masuda is probably having a very uncomfortable meeting with some financial resources and management board asking why they greenlit to spend millions of dollars doing 3D models of every single Pokemon with all the animations necessary to make them usable for the next 15 years only to dump over half of them anyway.

Seriously ALL THE POKEMON have walking/running animations. It's on YouTube right now. Hes either lying or really good at wasting peoples manual labor time.
 

Ms.Galaxy

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Oct 25, 2017
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You know, people call Todd Howard and Peter Molyneux a liar, but I always thought they were just overly ambitious with their ideas and they couldn't add them at the end. This guy, however, is fucking lying to people's faces since there's literal evidence that contradicts what he's saying.
 

Farrac

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I'm incredibly confused at what's going on right now. I really really don't want to think they are just straight up lying to us, I'm not that cynical, but that's what it feels like.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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You know, people call Todd Howard and Peter Molyneux a liar, but I always thought they were just overly ambitious with their ideas and they couldn't add them at the end. This guy, however, is fucking lying to people's faces since there's literal evidence that contradicts what he's saying.
but the look on masuda's face, he's in pain /s
 

Birdie

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Oct 26, 2017
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Over 1000 models doesn't seem like a lie.

We have 807 Pokemon right now without counting forms. There's about 50 Mega Pokemon.

If you add in Alolan Pokemon, Formes, and Galar Pokemon, that seems about right.