I feel like they must be setting something up for Arya after that last episode. The only thing the leaks have said are "Arya leaves Westeros" which is... lol
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[OPEN SPOILERS] GAME OF THRONES S8 |*FULL LEAK DISCUSSION*| IT IS KNOWN
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I sincerely don't understand why anybody was expecting this. There is no setup for such a change; every character in the series is an autocrat.
He would be at the Dragonpit when all the lords gather to elect a new king.
Because those people will be running their respective regions, not serving on the small council.
Varys out here writing basically writing the letter from the Little Rascals.
I mean, is this not what happened?
Presumably he doesn't much care about running the Reach. Also, he's a main character.
If you look at the history of Westeros, there's often been one paramount lord on the small council, but seldom more than that, and certainly not a majority of them. Most heads of houses are busy running their domains.
Bronn on the council is going to be the most rancid fanservice ever served on television lmfao
IMO this all hinges on the idea that Dany can't believably snap in the context of when/where she did, and I completely disagree.
She was asked to single-handedly sack a city astride an incomprehensibly violent power that she is bound to by birthright, and then upon her absolute and total victory against enemies who mocked and humiliated her every show of mercy she is expected to turn it all off – all of the fire and blood – in the heat of the moment and be the better person. She is expected to just swallow all of her pride and her grief and show mercy. But she doesn't. She can't.
She relishes in the violent catharsis of the moment, her power over this symbol of everything she has fought and suffered for her entire life. She doesn't care about these people, she cares about the power and right of the throne that is hers alone. Victory is hers. She is sending a message, and it doesn't have to make sense because its coming from a place of power and fury, instinct and emotion – not cold logic or reason.
I'm totally okay with Dany's turn, but if I was going to fix this season I would turn the Long Night arc into its own mini-season, and then the "final" season would be the campaign for the throne but stretched out for 8-10 episodes instead of 3, where characters are given more room to breath and all of the contrived plot beats are ironed out. You won't make everyone happy, but you can reach a lot of the same conclusions in a much more natural way.
Although part of me wonders if this is why they insisted on the short season and just wrapping it up like they did – they had already committed to Martin's ending, and knew people would hate it, so they just ripped the bandaid and hoped the fanservice (A Knight of the Realm) would suffice as a goodbye.
"I'm so sorry to everyone that I've disappointed, or incinerated..."
Yet another great video by Jenny Nicholson. What a great internet drama crossover.
I don't understand how anyone can come away from last episode and think that the people of KL have any part in "mocking" or "laughing at" Dany, or that they are in any way responsible for the slights against her
Honestly, that would make Jon as a character even more pointless. Nah, he has to be Kween slayer and I'm not even mad about this part of the writing.
But Bronn on the council, Bran king...urgh
I like this a lot. Dany doesn't even need to go on a rampage at any point like she did on Sunday. Basically, just have her turn into her father over the course of a couple episodes after taking KL. The people don't love or trust her, Jon won't have anything romantic to do with her and word of his true heritage is starting to spread among the nobles. The groundowrk's already been laid- we've seen her basically fail at ruling before much earlier in the books/series. She shuts herself in the keep, becomes increasingly paranoid and, towards the end, starts executing people out of fear of betrayal. Now you've laid the groundwork for Varys and Tyrion to be plotting against her. They've seen this before: she's just Aerys II, the sequel. This can build up towards the main points of the leaked ending organically.
Actually, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this is more in line with GRRM's plan. D&D were just in too big of an all-fired rush to get here, and they've been intent on recreating that big Red Wedding moment over and over the last few seasons, to terrible result. Not everything needs to be a big shocking moment.
So I havent read the last 3(?) books. Does
zombie Cat do anything? Would she have been useful in the show?
She's going to set up the red wedding 2.0 to kill the freys, with Brienne and Jaime. Jaime's arc is deeply tied with her because at the red wedding it was specifically said 'Jaime Lannister sends his regards' before Robb was killed.
Cersei's rise to power was so poorly done, there really isn't going to be a good reason for Dany to consult her. Honestly, I don't see in what world Dany who has achieved so much goes to Cersei of all people looking for advice. We already dealt with the "citizens don't love Dany" deal in mereen. I see what you're going for, and yes, they should have built the madness aspect up a bit better, but this feels as contrived as what we got.
I want to be clear that I am not saying the innocent civilians were mocking her, deserved what happened, or were even really involved in any of the events of this season. Because that's just not true.
Could someone please share the link again? I want to show to a friend but I'm using a cellphone
The question remains... would she even let Jon leave King's Landing now? His mere existence is a threat to her rule. I think she loves him, and I think that's why she's afraid of him. She sees all these qualities that she wants to be seen as having. So much so that she admires him more than any person alive and already found herself bending to his will and assisting him not out of fear, but out of love. I think she sees what a danger someone so charismatic and inspiring would be if it were known he was the true King of Westeros.
I don't think she would marry him, now. She resents him too much. But, if she gave it some time, and if she would have won with honor, I think Jon would have come around to open himself back up to her. I think he DOES love her, but is unsure if it's right to love her. You know what I mean?
I don't think she would marry him, now. She resents him too much. But, if she gave it some time, and if she would have won with honor, I think Jon would have come around to open himself back up to her. I think he DOES love her, but is unsure if it's right to love her. You know what I mean?
You've given more thought to these characters going into the final episode than the showrunners probably have.
i find it absolutely amazing that people think Dany's turn was sudden. They have been hinting at it since season 2. I honestly think people don't pay close attention to the show .
Jamies arc also make sense. He always goes back to her. Always. So why people think it was handled badly is beyond me. He even said he puts family first in Season 8 when he shows up at winterfell. Once the threat of the night king was over, I had no doubt he would head back to her.
The bedding of Sir Brienne was more about her arc than Jamies.
Jamies arc also make sense. He always goes back to her. Always. So why people think it was handled badly is beyond me. He even said he puts family first in Season 8 when he shows up at winterfell. Once the threat of the night king was over, I had no doubt he would head back to her.
The bedding of Sir Brienne was more about her arc than Jamies.
so you want Arya to kill Jon? Isnt that how the nameless assassins get their skins, from their victims? >_>
at least he did the right thing and joined the army of the living
no they didnt. they showed dany as an angry leader that makes very brash and empty threats but overtime she became a just ruler that does fail but also does have her heart in the right place. she would have never burned the slaves in mereen alive to prove a point.
Look, I understand being disappointed in Jamie, but it does not negate his arc or character development.
Jamie went from being a selfish, self-loathing knight who fought for the wrong reasons to becoming a selfless knight who fought for the good of the realm, and ultimately redeemed himself in the eyes of everyone around him. He started the story a villain but ended it a hero.
Him returning to his one true love, the mother of his children, and the same toxic relationship he has known his entire life does not undermine any of his arc. Its his tragic flaw. He had every opportunity to live out a happy ending, but that was not the ending he wanted. He died on his own terms.
Cersei getting infinite shots at redemption is pure trash
She's a terrorist but tyrion keeps tripping over his own dick to defend her
She's a terrorist but tyrion keeps tripping over his own dick to defend her
i never said foreshadowing, she did things throughout the seasons that showed that she could be cruel when people werent on her side. It was part of her character
Ended up reading the spoilers. Wow what a complete shit show. And I feel like I am pretty generous regarding plot issues.
I don't think they sold it that well then. They always alluded to the potential of Targaryens being mad, but my impression was always that Dany was different. I didn't get any vibe of her being a mad tyrant until maybe last season and it wasn't really expanded upon. In general, a longer season would have probably given them a bit more time to develop this either way.
I'm not just trying to shit on the writers, but I feel that a lot of nuance was lost from the show when they had to start handling the major story beats rather than solely follow the template set by the books. Reading the books, I understand motivations of characters and it feels somewhat consistent, the early seasons also do an alright job of this. Currently, it feels like characters change simply based on how they need them to fit into whatever situation.
Why are people comparing this shit to Last Jedi?
Last Jedi made sense. You may not like the choices, but the logic tracked.
This shit is just rushed, nonsensical trash.
Last Jedi made sense. You may not like the choices, but the logic tracked.
This shit is just rushed, nonsensical trash.
Exactly, Last Jedi knew what the fuck is doing and why. This show has no idea
This makes me wonder how a well-written peasant character living in KL might've added or detracted, regarding the story.
At least Bronn has some degree of competency. All Sam's done is steal Gilly's for finding out about Jon.
read these
https://io9.gizmodo.com/that-sudden-game-of-thrones-turn-was-actually-a-long-ti-1834722527
https://www.salon.com/2019/05/13/ga...-her-kings-landing-turn-was-very-much-earned/
i think people glossed over things because the people she did it to were bad people, but it still shows a level of madness and cruelty.
I'm just concerned because we haven't seen Dany since before the massacre. What's going through her mind? I'd be like "yo, I tried to tell him to stop but the bells must make dragons go crazy I dunno"
I expect her to act like a complete ice queen in the final episode.
One of those "I torched a town, and I liked it" vibes? I feel like she will lean into her actions as her finally accepting her destiny and who she really always was.
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