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[OPEN SPOILERS] GAME OF THRONES S8 |*FULL LEAK DISCUSSION*| IT IS KNOWN

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Feb 15, 2018
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I figured a Song of Ice and Fire refers to White Walkers and Dragons respectively.
Ice is cold calculation, to be lead only by the brain (the heart of winter), fire is pure passion, to be lead by the heart (the fiery heart). The question will be the culmination of Jon's arc, having been reborn seemingly with only ice in his heart, armoured all in ice, all warmth having fled from him, icy eyes of judgment, winter is coming etc . . . he will be made to decide if he would stand aside and let his bastard child be sacrificed so that Others may be defeated and the realm saved. To save the child would be to prove he has still some warmth left within him, that he has not a heart of winter.

A Song of Ice and Fire is an argument for neither one without the other but both in moderation.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Would have loved if they had included the davos/manderly interactions from the books.
Also did the books always seem even darker thematically than the show especially in regards to bran, 3ec, beyond the wall ? Really wish the show had delved further into the dark and evil lore.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't understand why the Night's Watch will still exist. Unless Westeros has no better idea of what to do with people it doesn't feel like killing but are none the less guilty of some crime. "Go sit on the wall, I guess, and watch for... stuff"
Greyworm is too dumb to realize it's not an actual sentence. They ruined the white walkers so there is no reason to stand watch. Hence why they will have Jon fuck off to go to the true north.

Fucking crappy ending that will just make me hold out hope for the books more. D&D can not write at all.
 

Claven

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At this point I just want a cameo of Vanilla Ice being fire as fuck.
A perfect ending for the dumpster fire that is Season 8.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't understand why the Night's Watch will still exist. Unless Westeros has no better idea of what to do with people it doesn't feel like killing but are none the less guilty of some crime. "Go sit on the wall, I guess, and watch for... stuff"
You mean like pretty much every country in our world?

Sure we have nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers and advanced jet fighters. But we need a reserve army too! You know, just in case and stuff.

Sigh, what an ending. And wait, Dany gets stabbed , Drogon fucks off with her body and that’s it...? Nothing more with her?
People have already decided this is the case, but be aware that it isn't actually based on anything. For example did you realise Qyburn didn't actually die in the last episode? You think he did, but it wasn't in the leak so it didn't actually happen.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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People already have an out with stuff like that “redo” petition, or “fans” attempting to harass D&D. The talk will shift away from the quality of what we got and instead seek to discredit/ attack the character of the “haters”. I’m seeing it way too much already. Even TLJ discussions had people going back and forth with actual points. This...it’s just gotten so petty and personal already
Someone in the petition thread just told me the shows writing was never good as a defense for my criticism. People will pull anything out of their asses to defend this mess.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I think a lot of people who still defended these last few episodes will be caught off guard how nonsensical and unsatisfying the finale will be. That latest summary, wow.
 

PlanetSmasher

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You mean like pretty much every country in our world?

Sure we have nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers and advanced jet fighters. But we need a reserve army too! You know, just in case and stuff.
But the Night's Watch is so far away from everyone that they'd be useless in a formal war scenario, and they suffer constantly just existing. They don't need to exist without the Wildling or Other threats. If the nations of Westeros need a reserve army they can host it themselves instead of telling it to fuck off to literally the furthest reaches of the continent and freeze to death just in case it might be needed to interject on someone's behalf at some point.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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He may not be in the books but he should be, and GRRM will give him a more satisfying story.
There's the Great Other but IIRC when Mel looks in her fire for him she sees Bran looking back. Whether that's just Bran being the 3ER or hinting at a connection between the Children of the Forest/Old Gods and the Others is unclear. Either way, I can't imagine it acting like the Phantom Menace droid control ship.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Well GRRM did say this after he scrapped the five year timeskip:



Jon marries the God-Empress of Yi Ti and becomes God-Emperor of Yi-Ti for a day. She trips and falls on his sword which leads to him inheriting the title as she was the last of her line. Jon abdicates the throne out of guilt and Bran inherits the title as Jon’s little brother.

Repeat until Bran becomes Emperor Lelouch:




Bran: “Now God-Emperor Brandon Stark commands you!!! Obey me subjects! Obey me World!!!”

The post-credits scene is King Bran in his sick new armor on the Iron Throne:

I am fucking howling at the idea of DnD doing the ending from Code Geass for GoT. Bran as Nunnally. Varys as the tv producer dude. This is great.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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But the Night's Watch is so far away from everyone that they'd be useless in a formal war scenario, and they suffer constantly just existing. They don't need to exist without the Wildling or Other threats. If the nations of Westeros need a reserve army they can host it themselves instead of telling it to fuck off to literally the furthest reaches of the continent and freeze to death just in case it might be needed to interject on someone's behalf at some point.
Yeah true, we'd have nothing like that today.

Now excuse me while I go build and patrol a huge fuck off wall to protect from coyotes coming across from Mexico.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The only show I can think of that lost me harder than this one is Battlestar Galactica. I ragequit that show when they revealed the Final Five.
Yeah Battlestar’s ending kinda flopped hard. Wasn’t as bad for me because Battlestar’s quality never really hit GOT’s highs for me and I watched it after the fact rather than with nearly a decade of buildup.

With Battlestar it’s pretty clear they didn’t know where they were going with things throughout. Kinda sad for GOT to fumble so hard when they had known big ending points for quite a while.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Someone in the petition thread just told me the shows writing was never good as a defense for my criticism. People will pull anything out of their asses to defend this mess.
Every season, someone else was crying about how "their" character got treated or how the writing was terrible. Were you one of those people who cried and cried for months about how poorly Stannis was treated?

Because think about it. You and others are now one of those "Stannis people", just 2019 style.

If that doesn't give you pause I don't know what else will.

Now on the other hand if you are one of those Stannis people, how can you complain that the series was suddenly bad? Seems to me you can't claim a victory either way here.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah true, we'd have nothing like that today.

Now excuse me while I go build and patrol a huge fuck off wall to protect from coyotes coming across from Mexico.
So in your scenario are the Night's Watch a reserve army or border patrol there to stop Mexicans Wildlings from getting across? It's unclear. You seem to be trying hard to force a really dumb parallel.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So after becoming the sole leader of the Dothraki and unsullied army Grey Worm just lets Jon and Tyrion off after all they did wow. At least kill Tyrion since it makes no sense for him to still be alive after all the stupid mistakes he has done.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So after becoming the sole leader of the Dothraki and unsullied army Grey Worm just lets Jon and Tyrion off after all they did wow. At least kill Tyrion since it makes no sense for him to still be alive after all the stupid mistakes he has done.
when was the last time Tyrion made the right decision, Season 5?
 
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Every season, someone else was crying about how "their" character got treated or how the writing was terrible. Were you one of those people who cried and cried for months about how poorly Stannis was treated?

Because think about it. You and others are now one of those "Stannis people", just 2019 style.

If that doesn't give you pause I don't know what else will.

Now on the other hand if you are one of those Stannis people, how can you complain that the series was suddenly bad? Seems to me you can't claim a victory either way here.
The writing in this season is bad without being restricted to one character. The whole thing feels rushed.
 
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So in your scenario are the Night's Watch a reserve army or border patrol there to stop Mexicans Wildlings from getting across? It's unclear. You seem to be trying hard to force a really dumb parallel.
Yes.

It isn't a dumb parallel, it is perfectly normal. You give people a dumb, pointless job, fool them into thinking it is important and hope that they keep doing it and stay out of trouble.

Which is exactly what the nights watch always was (until the white walkers suddenly showed up)

The writing in this season is bad without being restricted to one character. The whole thing feels rushed.
No you can't have it both ways.

Either the writing is as good as it ever was, or the Stannis character was written perfectly and his conclusion was well handled and given the time it deserved.

I'm fine with admitting season 8 is the worst thing ever, I'll even sign the petition. But the deal is I never have to hear about Stannis ever again. Agreed?

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No i didn't think so. People will never let Stannis go, so it stands that season 8 is great. Case closed.
 
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Every season, someone else was crying about how "their" character got treated or how the writing was terrible. Were you one of those people who cried and cried for months about how poorly Stannis was treated?

Because think about it. You and others are now one of those "Stannis people", just 2019 style.

If that doesn't give you pause I don't know what else will.

Now on the other hand if you are one of those Stannis people, how can you complain that the series was suddenly bad? Seems to me you can't claim a victory either way here.
The first 3 seasons, especially the first, were perfect. This has nothing to do with fan favorite characters. The entire story and nearly every character has been butchered. Jaime, Brienne, Daenerys, Jon, Tyrion, and Bran have been absolutely destroyed. This season is pure garbage. Complete and total garbage that even the actors themselves are calling it out.
 
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Which is exactly what the nights watch always was (until the white walkers suddenly showed up)
Not true. The purpose of the Night's Watch to begin with was to protect against the Others. Obviously this purpose was lost with time and men became complacent against the real threat (see also Minas Ithil in LotR) and their purpose was thought to be keeping the Wildlings out, which although misguided is still a purpose. Now? The White Walkers are gone. The Wildlings have been allowed in and there's a massive hole in the wall that isn't stopping anyone from getting through. Now the Night's Watch has no purpose.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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No you can't have it both ways.

Either the writing is as good as it ever was, or the Stannis character was written perfectly and his conclusion was well handled and given the time it deserved.

I'm fine with admitting season 8 is the worst thing ever, I'll even sign the petition. But the deal is I never have to hear about Stannis ever again. Agreed?

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No i didn't think so. People will never let Stannis go, so it stands that season 8 is great. Case closed.
Why can't Stannis' arc be shit and now all the arcs are shit? Dorne was shit, Stannis was shit, now everything is pretty much shit. What is your angle? You seem really invested in protecting the sanctity of shit.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I don't understand why the Night's Watch will still exist. Unless Westeros has no better idea of what to do with people it doesn't feel like killing but are none the less guilty of some crime. "Go sit on the wall, I guess, and watch for... stuff"
You realize the nights watch was staffed for hundreds and hundreds of years even when no one even believed in white walkers/wights right? Why would that cease now that it's confirmed?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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You realize the nights watch was staffed for hundreds and hundreds of years even when no one even believed in white walkers/wights right? Why would that cease now that it's confirmed?
The threat shifted to the wildlings in that time frame. Now wildlings and Northmen are BFFs, so there is literally nothing really set up as a threat up to episode 5. Maybe episode 6 explains this but I doubt it.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Was he though?

I think people hyped Jon too much and expected some endgame where it’s revealed that was the main hero of the saga where he did everything single-handedly. This wasn’t that type of escapist series.

Classical heroes like Robb and Jon were consistently fed to the grinder.

Jon’s parentage only exists to destroy him as a person.
How did his parentage destroy him? And I disagree. Jon was virtually the only character on the show that got the kind of plot armor he got. Coming back from death, always being bailed out of every bad situation he got himself into. I disagree entirely that the story didn't build him up to be that type of hero.

Their side? So liking the show is a declaration of war now?
What the fuck even is this. I know youre banned now but jesus christ you know damn well I was not insinuating that.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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How did his parentage destroy him? And I disagree. Jon was virtually the only character on the show that got the kind of plot armor he got. Coming back from death, always being bailed out of every bad situation he got himself into. I disagree entirely that the story didn't build him up to be that type of hero.


What the fuck even is this. I know youre banned now but jesus christ you know damn well I was not insinuating that.
I think they meant “destroyed him” as in “made his life miserable and unhappy”
If ned didn’t have to hide him he could have stayed in winterfell and probably help robb and avoid half of the issues they had during war but since he lied about the kid being a bastard cause he was a prince that should have been dead he had to go to the wall and it’s all downhill from here
 

Kain

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Reading the summary I think they tricked Greyworm with the Night's watch stuff and Tyrion's intent is that Jon just goes north. It would be the first smart move he's made in like 3 seasons so that's why I have my doubts.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Hope the show subverts my expectations by doing a better ending lol.

You know as much as it worked for the first few seasons, I dunno if the show really needed to stick to GRRM's ending. They made the show so much of its own thing by Season 4 or 5, that it might have been better to just do their own thing, especially since they didnt have the source material to work off of.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Reading the summary I think they tricked Greyworm with the Night's watch stuff and Tyrion's intent is that Jon just goes north. It would be the first smart move he's made in like 3 seasons so that's why I have my doubts.
we will wait for the writers' explanation, it seems they have all the answers lol
 

spootime

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What the fuck even is this. I know youre banned now but jesus christ you know damn well I was not insinuating that.
I wonder what he got banned for.

Also is anyone else still like 30% sure the final leak is wrong? For me its the nights watch thing. What, are you gonna just stick a bunch of random fuckers on a wall for no reason? Makes zero sense.

Also makes zero sense that it would be staffed by wildlings. They're wildlings, they even explicitly say they want to go back to the "real north" (aka BEYOND the wall)
 
Oct 28, 2017
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The way in which they're conveniently getting rid of Greyworm, the unsullied and the dorthraki sounds so stupid.
How do they even rule without them to uphold their council? Literally, how is it even possible for them to affirm their power over westeros without an army? Its baffling.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I wonder what he got banned for.

Also is anyone else still like 30% sure the final leak is wrong? For me its the nights watch thing. What, are you gonna just stick a bunch of random fuckers on a wall for no reason? Makes zero sense.

Also makes zero sense that it would be staffed by wildlings. They're wildlings, they even explicitly say they want to go back to the "real north" (aka BEYOND the wall)
the leaks have been right so far, and people thought the leaked subtitles for the last episode was fake due to how absurd it was so.......

lol
 
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