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Quinton

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Is this shitting on book fans or something? It's just to be expected that a book with several hundred pages will be more thorough in making plot points happen than a six episode season.

I love the show and the books (probably the latter more than the former at this point <_<) but I've kinda cringed seeing some folks saying "the books will do this" and "the books won't do this" and "the books will do this but better" and so forth because what books.
 

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If anybody wants a very quick summary of how it ends with the info thats been leaked all combined, here it is:

  • Dany kills Varys for betraying her.
  • Dany surprise attacks Euron and KL.
  • She burns all the balistas and burns the front gates.
  • Her army rushes in and Cerseis army surrenders. Oh and I think Harry Strickland and the GC bail lol.
  • She hears the surrender bells and it makes her more angry so she starts killing everything.
  • Her army goes wild and starts raping and killing the city.
  • The Hound dies fighting his bro.
  • Jon fights and kills Greyworm.
  • Jaime and Cersei die by getting crushed under the red keep or by wild fire? Not 100% about this one.
  • Jon kills Dany.
  • Drogon flies away with her body
  • Tyrion trial might still happen and he is executed. Not 100% confirmed.
  • Bran king/ president. Bronn(!) Davos, Sam on council. Sansa Queen of the north, Araya bails on westeros.
  • Jon goes to live with the wildlings in the north. This was actually filmed and its the closing scene.

That is the final 2 episodes in a nutshell. Oh and people are speculating by D&D's playlist, which said it would reveal what happens in this season, that Dany is resurected as the Night Queen. No trolling this is pretty much what most of the leaks add up to.

I'm pretty sure we have no concrete proof about Varys or Tyrion dying.
 

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I love the show and the books (probably the latter more than the former at this point <_<) but I've kinda cringed seeing some folks saying "the books will do this" and "the books won't do this" and "the books will do this but better" and so forth because what books.

TWOW would come out even if something happened to George tomorrow, so I dunno what the point of pretending we'll never get anything is.
 

Speevy

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I hope Euron has one last gasp of air so he can shoot down Drogon, making him drop Daenerys' body into the sea. Fucking credits.
 

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Dany snaps because she hears a bell?

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Hydrus

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Dany burning Varys alive seems like bullshit, but I buy Grey Worm snapping.



She literally tells him that last season.
Or you're choosing what you want to believe. There's still a ton of shit up in the air and almost every leak contradicts something in another leak. Frikidoctor is still the most trustworthy.
The leaks are flooding in and everything is getting confirmed. It's all true. I've been a believer of Friki for a while, but he's gotten some wrong info.

I'm calling bullshit on this one. It's too much.
I called bullshit too, and last episode was 100% spot on by the leakers.

Is this leaker legit? What receipts does he have?
Yes. He leaked the details about last episode before it aired. Not just basic plot points, but details.
 

Ocean Bones

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How does Daenerys surprise attack King's Landing? In the preview, they can hear her coming.


"Cersei forgot about Dany" - D&D

Is this shitting on book fans or something? It's just to be expected that a book with several hundred pages will be more thorough in making plot points happen than a six episode season.

We all deal with grief differently, some want to force this garbage onto others.
 

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Oh and people are speculating by D&D's playlist, which said it would reveal what happens in this season, that Dany is resurected as the Night Queen.

That is the only narrative reason for Drogon to take her body away. And a bullshit "we technically didn't kill that popular character" defense in the making.

I swear GRRM is using this show as a trial balloon at this point to see how well certain things go over.
 

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I love the show and the books (probably the latter more than the former at this point <_<) but I've kinda cringed seeing some folks saying "the books will do this" and "the books won't do this" and "the books will do this but better" and so forth because what books.

I understand what you're saying, and in a way you're right because we don't have books to compare it to. But Martin has over a million words of proof (purely my own estimate, I think reasonable estimate) that he is a good writer. D&D seemingly can't even write when they're given source material AND the main plot points. The connective tissue matters
 

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I wish I could be like some of the people ITT who will seemingly argue to hell and back to commit to the idea the show is wrapping this up satisfyingly.

Honestly.
 

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Worst part of it all is that jon's ending makes enough sense to be his canon ending :(
 

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I understand what you're saying, and in a way you're right because we don't have books to compare it to. But Martin has over a million words of proof (purely my own estimate, I think reasonable estimate) that he is a good writer. D&D seemingly can't even write when they're given source material AND the main plot points. The connective tissue matters

Yeah, it really does.

Gods be good, I'm sorely mistaken and A Dream of Spring gets published.
 

Biestmann

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Alright, if the bell signals surrender, maybe Dany just cannot accept that Cersei's side thinks they could get off that easy after all the losses they have caused her. That makes this more digestible to me than her going crazy over literally the bell.
 

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Let's be honest, guys. Most television shows fuck up the final season. Usually they fuck up because they have no idea how to end and the ending is boring.

This show, when it's bad is garishly, offensively bad.

What did you think was going to happen?
 

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I cannot believe that's how they're gonna do the battle

I read the earlier leaks and thought it was absurd, but Dany going pissed and burning everyone made complete sense to me. The execution of her arc recently has been brutally bad, but considering she's lost everyone close to her, including two dragons, I can see that pushing her over the edge. Especially because she lost all those people because she listened to her dumbass advisors. If she had done what she wanted from the beginning, fly to the red keep and roast Cersei alive, they'd all be alive. So I can see that, combined with her loss, pushing her over the edge. So I laughed at all the leaks and how dumb it was, but whatever. The writing has been bad for several seasons now so I expected it.

But jesus I refuse to believe it'll be bells, and that the Unsullied will just start massacring everyone. That's gotta be a troll leak by someone that sees all the shit against the show now and is just throwing out the most ludicrous shit because they know people will believe it.
 

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Yeah, it really does.

Gods be good, I'm sorely mistaken and A Dream of Spring gets published.

You're going to get TWOW one of these years.

And maybe in ten years you'll get A Dream Of Spring. Maybe lol. But you'll get that eventually too. It being an ending and D&D providing a blueprint of everything not to do will help that one along a good bit I think.
 
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Oh and people are speculating by D&D's playlist, which said it would reveal what happens in this season, that Dany is resurected as the Night Queen. No trolling this is pretty much what most of the leaks add up to.

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I'm no fan of both book and show Dany but looking how alone she was in the Winterfell party really broke my heart. Just saying
 

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Let's be honest, guys. Most television shows fuck up the final season. Usually they fuck up because they have no idea how to end and the ending is boring.

This show, when it's bad is garishly, offensively bad.

What did you think was going to happen?

Most television shows don't get two years to do the last six episodes

They had extra time and fucked it up extra hard
 

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I'm not necessarily claiming this shit won't happen, but there's been an awful lot of just believing random leaks in this thread. Some of them have some credibility but many of them have none to speak of. There were widely circulated fake leaks about episode 3 too.
 
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If anybody wants a very quick summary of how it ends with the info thats been leaked all combined, here it is:

  • Dany kills Varys for betraying her.
  • Dany surprise attacks Euron and KL.
  • She burns all the balistas and burns the front gates.
  • Her army rushes in and Cerseis army surrenders. Oh and I think Harry Strickland and the GC bail lol.
  • She hears the surrender bells and it makes her more angry so she starts killing everything.
  • Her army goes wild and starts raping and killing the city.
  • The Hound dies fighting his bro.
  • Jon fights and kills Greyworm.
  • Jaime and Cersei die by getting crushed under the red keep or by wild fire? Not 100% about this one.
  • Jon kills Dany.
  • Drogon flies away with her body
  • Tyrion trial might still happen and he is executed. Not 100% confirmed.
  • Bran king/ president. Bronn(!) Davos, Sam on council. Sansa Queen of the north, Araya bails on westeros.
  • Jon goes to live with the wildlings in the north. This was actually filmed and its the closing scene.

That is the final 2 episodes in a nutshell. Oh and people are speculating by D&D's playlist, which said it would reveal what happens in this season, that Dany is resurected as the Night Queen. No trolling this is pretty much what most of the leaks add up to.

From this we can assume Tyrion lives and get this council position to Bronn.
 

Charlie0108

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Remember when D&D said they only needed the shortened seasons to conclude the story because that's the time the material they had fitted?
 

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She literally tells him that last season.

The leaks are flooding in and everything is getting confirmed. It's all true. I've been a believer of Friki for a while, but he's gotten some wrong info.


I called bullshit too, and last episode was 100% spot on by the leakers.


Yes. He leaked the details about last episode before it aired. Not just basic plot points, but details.

Episode 4 definitely leaked before hand. Im just not convinced that means the last 2 did as well. At least to the same person.
 

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I know the writing was not as good as the first 4 seasons, but this is too much. Season 7 was already having issues wirh writing writing and fast pace, but this is just obviously rushed and bad. It's Walking Dead territory now to be honest.

I might look into Lost Kingdoms or The Expanse as my next shows to watch since i heard good things about them.
 

Hydrus

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Episode 4 definitely leaked before hand. Im just not convinced that means the last 2 did as well. At least to the same person.
The leaker from where the current info is coming from leaked stuff last season on Freefolk, thats why people belive what he says. He has legit sources. He's also confirming the other leaks that state the whole ending.
 

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"Ii followed you into two wars, Dany. But I will not follow you now."

"Go back to Winterfell, damn you. I'll have your head on a spike!"
 

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I know the writing was not as good as the first 4 seasons, but this is too much. Season 7 was already having issues wirh writing writing and fast pace, but this is just obviously rushed and bad. It's Walking Dead territory now to be honest.

I might look into Lost Kingdoms or The Expanse as my next shows to watch since i heard good things about them.
The Expanse is really great. The authors of the book actually work on the show and from what I've heard, they made some great changes from the book to the screen.
 

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I know the writing was not as good as the first 4 seasons, but this is too much. Season 7 was already having issues wirh writing writing and fast pace, but this is just obviously rushed and bad. It's Walking Dead territory now to be honest.

I might look into Lost Kingdoms or The Expanse as my next shows to watch since i heard good things about them.

The Expanse is terrific. Especially from the second season onward.
 
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