I never said there wasn't more effort involved. Of course there is. But you ARE being disingenuous here. You don't have to do those things to play Fallout: New Vegas in the same way as consoles and what are you even on about Witcher 3 mods? You could just not download mods. Your arguments here involve things that you literally do not have to do.
They are not crying because of having to download optional mods. They are crying because of the loss of innocence. No longer can he go to twitter and cry to Sony playstation and have them fix his problems. He has gotta be a grown up PC gamer now, he has got to fix his own goddamn perfomance bugs.
To explain better what I mean with higher resolutions emphasizing problems you can see a similar effect there. Look for example at the nose and the area of the neck, the image overall is a lot more natural looking at its original resolution than rescaled. The one on the right is a low-fi image that still looks nice today. The one of the left is... weird.
The same as people on this forum commenting how some assets like the trees that weren't updated for PC now are more noticeable since they don't quite match the detail of everything else.
They are probably small things you only notice if you pay attention to details, but they are real.
For the texture it's not that the higher resolution brings out problems in the textures themselves, but in relation to the model. A super high res texture applied to a simpler model looks weird. In the console version the lower resolution gives a more natural, smooth overall look. On PC the higher clarity makes the model itself not quite match the texture quality. You can notice that detail is missing.
The same as when you rescale a picture UP from its natural resolution, it looks bad. If you rescale it down it looks great. The higher the display and the resolution, the much higher needs to be the graphic detail too (Apple built the "retina" concept on this). Smaller screens/resolutions get away looking good with much less.
Even the fact that in retrogaming a CRT screen looks immensely better than a super sharp LCD with optimal precision somewhat falls in the same category.
Or even the concept of LOD in all games: if something is up close it requires a high level of detail to look decent, if it's far away it can use a much simpler model, because it's a lot less noticeable. But if you then greatly push up the resolution and screen size, then that simpler LOD starts to stick out and will look bad. Etc...
Last example:
The first looks fine, right? Well the second one is the exact same image. There the higher resolution "brings out the flaws", and it really looks bad.
Nah. If you've seen other pc threads on era you'll know exactly what this thread has devolved into.
What? Listen here conflation artists -GENERALLY speaking, if you've got enough money to spend on expensive ass PC's then most likely in the last decade or so you've also come to a point in your life where you appreciate convenience. You've used an UBER, or even ordered on UBER Eats even though the picking it up would have been cheaper and maybe faster. You've probably gotten pissed off when the free Alpha demo of a game was delayed and caused enough of an uproar that publishers extended it to an extra day.
Disagree sir. Modern PC is still a shit show. Driver patches for performances. Needing to downgrade at times. There's too much that still goes wrong.
I have a modern gaming laptop. Not saying our experiences will be the same. But, mine haven't been ideal.
Gaming laptop is your problem. Not being an ass but you're probably talking to people who have a well-built desktop/media PC. Laptops are a different beast. Every gaming laptop I've had was shit.
You either build a PC or buy a PC that is has great specs. If you fall into the building the PC, unless you're an enthusiast today it takes a good amount of time to get all the pieces right for the right price you are looking for without ever turning it on. If you fall into the buy a PC that has great specs then you still have to worry about if and when this thing will start degrade and can't play on ultra high settings, etc - like my 1060. https://www.game-debate.com/hardware/index.php?gid=3540&graphics=GeForce GTX 1060
I've built PC from CyberPower PC before. I refuse to go down that road anymore. The thing is - you gotta be in the know at all times I believe to execute the best build for a great PC unit. I don't think there's a lot of folks like that left. Not as many as there used to be at least.
This is a baffling statement as games just work for me. I only use my PC for gaming though so I don't have any dodgy shit installed that might fuck things up. But the fact remains that they just work, and they work at 4k, 60fps+, ultra settings, no frame pacing issues, and with lower latency than consoles. It's bliss.
I used to use a gaming laptop. I switched to a desktop 2 years later and never went back. Spent the same amount of money on both and the desktop experience was between 2-4x times better to start. Thermal throttling, super loud fan noise, and weird ass laptop OEM drivers aren't worth the trouble and expense in regards to the tyipical GAMER(TM) laptops. There's a reason why they don't make PS4 and Xbox One Portables as options for console gaming!
For enthusiasts. Yes. Most people won't be paying top of the line money to play everything at ultra settings. I'm a grown ass 34 full time Lawyer with three kids that used to build PC machines but there's no point to do it for me when you need to keep up with the upgrades and tweaks to get the games to work more times than I'd like. Admittedly, my latest venture into PC gaming was lazier because I didn't want to invest too much of my time and money into it and got a Dell. From what everyone on here is saying, that is real reason as to my experience and if so - fine. I have an Xbox one X, PS4, Switch, and Dell. By far the Xbox, playstation, and switch gets more play time than the PC because the others just work instantly. Sure there are load times - I think (but I really can't think of too many of them). Most games are capped at 30 frames to 60 frames. Isn't the point of this thread also that RDR2 can't run at 60 fps for most PC setups? I mean, the X1X does a great job in price and performance and comparison to it's PC cousin when all things are considered without tweaking.
Having sunk thousands of hours into deskop PC, laptop PC (two models), Nintendo Switch and PS4 in the last few years, I strongly disagree back.
This.
Do you own a gaming PC? I switched to PC from console about 1.5 years ago and think it's a pretty simple experience. Never have had to downgrade or download driver patches for performance. The worst thing I've dealt with is something crashing due to poor optimization.
this has been my experience as well. i built my PC about 3 or 4 years ago and i dont see myself converting back to consoles. and this is from someone who only ever owned macs before. most things are painless
No, enthusiasts have time. "Jane bloggs", your absolute layman player, who are like 80% of the gaming population, does not.
The PC building community on Reddit is the largest I have ever seen online, and I've been making my own PCs since 2007. It's so easy these days, compared to how to used to be. It's an fact.
I don't understand why that's relevant to the thread though. This is an enthusiast forum.
RDR2 is one game! And I couldn't give shit about "most PC setups" when the only one that matters to me is mine. Just like if you have a PS4 Pro, how is the base PS4 of any relevance to your experience? 99% of my games run at 4k and locked 60 on my 2080Ti, even the likes of Sekiro, FH4 etc. The few exceptions like Outer Worlds which have slight dips to 50fps (and this is at native 4k and full ultra settings btw), it isn't even noticeable because of G-Sync. There's also the huge bump in draw distance etc thanks to Ultra settings. Then there's Rocket League at a locked 120fps when the PS4 Pro can't even manage a fully locked 60fps. But you already know all this, it's easy to ignore it all if you haven't experienced it. But when you have it's impossible to go back. Just like you wouldn't want to go back to an Xbox One S from an Xbox One X.
The thread premise is pretty general.
Any setting ever? A few of the first things I do in my PC (and similarly, console) games is adjust audio, adjust key bindings and switch to inverted Y (depending on the game).
