OT : Climate Change fight

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Jan 10, 2019
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Incorrect.

Realistically, every little bit helps.
This.

-Travel less, or cover your carbon footprint
-Reduce meat consumption
-Buy 2nd hand stuff
-Never use plastic bags
-Choose green energy
-Dont FUCKING OWN A CAR
-Use Public transpor

But people are too selfish to do even one thing of those mentioned. Just look at any vegetarian thread, people will basically fight you if you take away anything from them.

Go vegan you fucking cowards.
Also this. Or even reduce meat consumption.

Over here we have MANDATORY vegetarian days every week in schools etc.
 

Fallout-NL

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nelsonroyale

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From that article:



Amen.
Well we need to promote better values to get even near to accomplishing that...I mean as big as that is to transform the world economy, away from legitimising unfetered profit seeking / growth mentality. Unfortunately the UN isn't a very good basis for forming an international government as it currently stands...too many systematic issues.

Basically, forming international coordination that fundamentally and practically respects the interdependence of all living things, will require on of the most significant transformations of society in the past 10,000 years, from individual values to professional practices to all governance structures and economic activity. It is deep transformation. Bits and pieces are happening...I think our societies are far too incoherent and entrenched in problematic ways of thinking and doing, to suggest we can achieve this without major disruptive impetus...which climate change is likely to bring...Hopefully we move more decisively in a positive direction, but I fear it is going to be incredibly painful...for us and for many other organisms. The world pays for our aggregated hubris / greed and social stupidity. I am not without hope, but it is what it is and we are what we are in the present time.
 

Kito

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I've been interested in solar, but the door-to-door salesmen don't seem to instill much confidence in me, and I'm not inclined to to give business to companies that seek me out.

What are some of the best solar companies out there? Are solar shingles becoming a real thing soon? I don't want to invest $25k in ugly panels if shingles are around the corner and mass market pricing may be on the way.

Thanks!
 
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Famassu

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Oct 27, 2017
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How does one plant a tree?
If you're asking how one would go about planting a large number of trees, donate to organizations that will do it for you or if you want some healthy, fresh nature air, ask around if there is some kind of organization nearby who are welcoming to and in need of volunteers. Shouldn't be too hard to google & email nearby groups.

You could also always buy some forest if you have money to spare and donate it to organizations that will protect it.
 
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Pomerlaw

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How does one plant a tree?
You can buy clothes at tentree.com and they will plant 10 for you everytime you buy.
You can donate : https://www.trilliontreecampaign.org/donate-trees
Or you can take a shovel and buy one to plant it yourself.


Insect eating dogs : https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46811358

Have no fear - you can now fatten Fido on black soldier flies instead of Brazilian beef.

A pet food manufacturer now claims that 40% of its new product is made from soldier flies.

It's one of many firms hoping to cash in on the backlash against beef by people concerned that the cattle are fed on soya.

These soya plantations are responsible for the release of greenhouse gases in significant quantities.

Is it good for the dog?
The key question is whether a diet of 40% soldier flies meets the nutritional needs of your beloved canine.

We put the question to a pet diet expert at the Royal Veterinary College, Aarti Kathrani. Her conclusion was a cautious "yes".
 
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Pomerlaw

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The most effective individual steps to tackle climate change aren't being discussed

The four actions that most substantially decrease an individual's carbon footprint are: eating a plant-based diet, avoiding air travel, living car-free, and having smaller families.

**added graph to OP**
 
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Pomerlaw

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Individual actions are fantastic, but we also need a collective effort. Check out groups such as Extinction Rebellion and The Climate Mobilization and get involved in any way you can.
Will add to OP. Thanks



Kids suing the US over climate change are getting global support


The young Americans, some of whom are now adults, argue that they have a constitutional right to a stable climate that sustains life on Earth. While this right is obviously not enumerated in the US Constitution, they say that it is implied by the document.
Their case—which originated in Oregon district court—has been surprisingly successful so far, though the government has fought the kids hard. The matter has survived efforts to dismiss it by two presidential administrations, that of Barack Obama and now of Donald Trump. The fossil fuel industry briefly intervened in the case, joining the government as defendants before asking the courts to release them from the matter, a motion which was granted in 2017. The case was set for trial twice in 2018, but the Trump administration repeatedly moved for delay and dismissal.
Last July, the US Supreme Court unanimously ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, denying the administration’s application for a stay and calling a request to review the case before the district court hears all of the facts at trial “premature.” The high court again denied a Trump administration request for a stay in November. But the feds fought on and the Department of Justice immediately filed more motions to quash the case at the district and circuit court level. The government has gone to great lengths to avoid a trial that will no doubt highlight the science behind climate change and reveal the extent to which representatives failed to act on information about environmental dangers.
 
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BabyMurloc

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We need to do what Greta Thunberg said: we need to start huge government projects, science and industry, in order to replace the fossil economy and remove carbon from the atmosphere. We may not be sure on how to do it but we can't afford to wait for the tech to spontaneously appear either. Others have called in a wartime mobilization, only for the climate.
 

John Doe

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Jan 24, 2018
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This.

-Travel less, or cover your carbon footprint
-Reduce meat consumption
-Buy 2nd hand stuff
-Never use plastic bags
-Choose green energy
-Dont FUCKING OWN A CAR
-Use Public transpor

But people are too selfish to do even one thing of those mentioned. Just look at any vegetarian thread, people will basically fight you if you take away anything from them.


Also this. Or even reduce meat consumption.

Over here we have MANDATORY vegetarian days every week in schools etc.

Individual changes aren't enough. The real damage to climate change is being done by governments and corporations.

Direct your ire towards them.
 

MrT

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Oct 27, 2017
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Individual changes aren't enough. The real damage to climate change is being done by governments and corporations.

Direct your ire towards them.
Maybe not, but they're the least we can do. Climate change is a problem for everyone and we all need to be accountable. Too many people just shrug and go "well me doing x won't change anything so I'll do nothing and blame it all on the government and corporations." DO BOTH - change what you can, and campaign for the rest
 

John Doe

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Jan 24, 2018
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Maybe not, but they're the least we can do. Climate change is a problem for everyone and we all need to be accountable. Too many people just shrug and go "well me doing x won't change anything so I'll do nothing and blame it all on the government and corporations." DO BOTH - change what you can, and campaign for the rest
I think there's a line and far more serious questions need to be asked about our corporations.

How much energy does a company like Sony use? Are they utilizing Solar or other renewable sources of energy? If they are that would make a whole lot bigger difference than me buying a Telsa or even 100 of us buying a Telsa.


Where do they source their parts for their consoles and other electronics they manufacture? Are their factories environmentally friendly? What about CO2 emissions from said factories?

Then there is the contradiction with travelling. Modern society is pushing wanderlust, exploring new cultures and going to see the world yet at the same time people are supposed to travel less?

How do those two things compute? A better alternative would be to push airlines and cruise ships to go green.

Changing what you can won't make a blind bit of difference in my opinion if the major sources of climate change don't change their ways.

Of course, one way we can make a change is if society as a whole refused to support companies that aren't eco-friendly thereby forcing them to change the ways.
 

Alcotholic

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2020 election is going to be the most important event in climate change action. We must get people to vote.
 

Copper

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I think there's a line and far more serious questions need to be asked about our corporations.

How much energy does a company like Sony use? Are they utilizing Solar or other renewable sources of energy? If they are that would make a whole lot bigger difference than me buying a Telsa or even 100 of us buying a Telsa.


Where do they source their parts for their consoles and other electronics they manufacture? Are their factories environmentally friendly? What about CO2 emissions from said factories?

Then there is the contradiction with travelling. Modern society is pushing wanderlust, exploring new cultures and going to see the world yet at the same time people are supposed to travel less?

How do those two things compute? A better alternative would be to push airlines and cruise ships to go green.

Changing what you can won't make a blind bit of difference in my opinion if the major sources of climate change don't change their ways.

Of course, one way we can make a change is if society as a whole refused to support companies that aren't eco-friendly thereby forcing them to change the ways.
No industry can work on renewables, the downtime costs would rapidly make any investment unfeasible and then they'd close. The whole Sector is built on tiny margins to make things affordable for the Mass consumer. You 'll get rapidly growing prices and an economical complete collapse, which, well, would help in reducing emissions.

Also, flights are probably the last thing we'll be able to make carbon neutral. The physics of Flight require extremely gravimetric dense AND volumetric dense Energy fuels, like gasoline. Using heavily compressed or cryo hydrogen could be feasible, but the security issues with those are huge. Naval cruises could probably go with ammonia, but the bosh-haber process is really Energy intensive and require a stable as possible Energy feed. A new tech to produce ammonia would be incredibly important as i think ammonia is our best chance of making green hydrogen actually usable ( Easy to transport and store, and nitrogen is infinite). Room temp fuel cells would also be great as they would increase the Energy storage efficiency two to three fold.
 
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Lobby for publicly-supported acceleration of commercialization and the widespread installation of Molten Salt Reactors (MSRs) like Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors (LFTRs) and Integral Molten Salt Reactors (IMSR) in place of the current fossil-fuel-based base load power generation infrastructure (and outmoded LWRs).

This alone will do more than every other action, solo and collective, in this thread combined. It would literally fully mitigate climate change at its current rate of development.
 

sabrina

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It's nice to see good news every once in a while.
 

SpecX

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I've taken baby steps, bought a used Chevy volt to replace my gas guzzling ram. The report Chevy sends me monthly has me using about 75% electric which has been a huge savings in fuel cost. I bring my bags to the store when shopping so I don't need plastic bags. I have my own coffee mug and water cup at work I use vs the paper and styrofoam cups they have out . House has been converted to all LED bulbs and seeking solar in the next few years.

Small changes, but in trying to do my best.
 

signal

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You could probably obtain a similar image normally, at least at later parts of the season, but still:

 

harbl-kun

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You could probably obtain a similar image normally, at least at later parts of the season, but still:

Its more Sealand than Greenland at the moment.
2 days ago a record melting was taking place on Greenlands ice sheets (2 Billion Tons in a single day):


 

MrWhiskers

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've been having a bit of anxiety over all the bad climate change news recently. Maybe it's because I'll most likely be having a kid in the next couple years and I want to give them the best life. I've been looking at an electric car to give me some ease but then just seeing the amount of traffic in NJ makes me think will me having a single car change much of anything there?

Oh well I guess all I can do is just try to do my part little by little and hope for the best?
 

Woke Bespoke

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The number one priority is and always has been getting Dr*mpf out of office. Once he's gone everything else will be set in motion.
 

captive

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Oct 25, 2017
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Houston
This.

-Travel less, or cover your carbon footprint
-Reduce meat consumption
-Buy 2nd hand stuff
-Never use plastic bags
-Choose green energy
-Dont FUCKING OWN A CAR
-Use Public transpor

But people are too selfish to do even one thing of those mentioned. Just look at any vegetarian thread, people will basically fight you if you take away anything from them.


Also this. Or even reduce meat consumption.

Over here we have MANDATORY vegetarian days every week in schools etc.
this is all well and good until you realize there are corporations that if they went out of business would instnatly change the carbon impact being put into the environment.

I've been interested in solar, but the door-to-door salesmen don't seem to instill much confidence in me, and I'm not inclined to to give business to companies that seek me out.

What are some of the best solar companies out there? Are solar shingles becoming a real thing soon? I don't want to invest $25k in ugly panels if shingles are around the corner and mass market pricing may be on the way.

Thanks!
check out energysage.com they'll ask you information and then you get quotes from a number of providers in your area.
Shingles are coming, but Tesla has been having problems with the Buffalo plant that makes them so no one really knows when they'll be available nationally

Tesla is the only national provider of solar, otherwise they're largely regional/statewide. I've talked with people that had no problems and love they're Tesla solar system. and then others experience were similar to mine. I got a quote from them but i wasn't ready to do it at that exact moment, when i was ready the quote, which was a link to a PDF had expired so i couldnt even look at it. I emailed the guy but never heard back, likely he was let go in one of the layoffs.
The cool part about the tesla stuff is that if you have a car and or a powerwall its all in one app, which is really neat.

I went with a company called texas solar outfitters. We got our first metered bill last month and i got a 44 dollar credit on top of a bill that would have been 242 bucks. So i produced more than we needed, even including running the AC at night, and sold the rest to the power company.
 

Seik

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A small change me and my GF did, but perhaps it can inspire a few here.

For our lunches we just swapped to zip bags made of fabric (washable) instead of the good old one-time use Ziploc plastic bags.
 
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Pomerlaw

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Also, flights are probably the last thing we'll be able to make carbon neutral. The physics of Flight require extremely gravimetric dense AND volumetric dense Energy fuels, like gasoline.
You are right. I think the best way to make them cleaner is to use biofuels (NOT by cutting forest), or making them carbon neutral by using capturing tech (look at https://www.lanzatech.com/).


Traditional conservative and socialist parties can no longer form a majority, making them more reliant to pass European laws on support from liberal and Green blocs that want to push climate change up the agenda
 
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Pomerlaw

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Carbon tax works folks. Sorry conservatives!

The impacts of Sweden’s carbon tax have grown over time. By 1995, emissions were 15% lower than they would have been without the carbon tax. By 2000, emissions were as much as 25% lower than they would have been without the carbon tax.

We should note that Sweden’s emissions actually rose for the first half of the 1990s. But that doesn’t mean the carbon tax wasn’t working. This is a really important distinction. We need to measure where emissions would be without the tax, not just if they’re lower overall. Even when emissions were rising, Sweden’s carbon tax was changing behaviour.
 

DarthSontin

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet.

New York is getting ready to pass its own Green New Deal. This goes well above and beyond what California and Washington have already done.

100% Emission-free electricity by 2040
85% Carbon emission reduction across the economy by 2050 w/offsets for the remaining 15%
 

Xe4

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Cross post:
Tomorrow is Show Your Stripes day, which is based off of the temperature stripes graph by Ed Hawkins showing temperature from the mid/late 1800's to now:

Global Temperature 1850 - Present
You can find your local "temperature stripes" here: https://showyourstripes.info/
Edit: And links to data here: https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2018/warming-stripes/

Personally I think its a fantastic idea and is an amazing way to show the effect of AGW not only on a global but also a local scale, and I'm going to put up a thread about it tomorrow. Many places are selling shirts with local temperature stripes on it, and also some TV meteorologists will be wearing their temperature stripes on broadcast to raise attention. This is the second annual observation of the event, following last years Stripes for Solstice.

Something to keep in mind : )
 
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Luchadeer

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Oct 27, 2017
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Cross post:
It's been a while since this thread has seen any activity unfortunately. I'm bumping it because tomorrow is Show Your Stripes day, which is based off of the temperature stripes graph by Ed Hawkins showing temperature from the mid/late 1800's to now:


You can find your local "temperature stripes" here: https://showyourstripes.info/
Edit: And links to data here: https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2018/warming-stripes/

Personally I think its a fantastic idea and is an amazing way to show the effect of AGW not only on a global but also a local scale, and I'm going to put up a thread about it tomorrow. Many places are selling shirts with local temperature stripes on it, and also some TV meteorologists will be wearing their temperature stripes on broadcast to raise attention. This is the second annual observation of the event, following last years Stripes for Solstice.

Something to keep in mind : )
Thanks for posting this!