And your opinion of what is a good look or not literally means nothing to me.
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Outer Wilds confirmed EpicStore timed exclusive after luring crowdfundees with a steamrelease. [see EGS guidelines]
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And your opinion of what is a good look or not literally means nothing to me.
It's entirely fair but we can also add the devs to it since the fault is theirs too. I also don't consider any part of your post reasonable and I find it mostly disingenuous so thanks for wasting my time.
Did Snapshot come up with a solution for Chinese backers, or was a refund the only option for them?
Not if you're in China.
Not if you're in China.
Lololol
Took some time after your reply to actually notice the difference.
I'm feeling stupid now haha
I did initially confuse this with Outer Worlds. XD
Anyway, I'm curious as to whether there's any means of releasing the game on Steam but not providing general access to it for purchase with the intention of providing backers with keys. In either case, I do hope that the developer/publisher is committed to an eventual Steam release, but the fact that such a release will be delayed isn't fair to backers who want it on Steam.
Anyway, I'm curious as to whether there's any means of releasing the game on Steam but not providing general access to it for purchase with the intention of providing backers with keys. In either case, I do hope that the developer/publisher is committed to an eventual Steam release, but the fact that such a release will be delayed isn't fair to backers who want it on Steam.
That's how I'm feeling about it at this point. There's enough great stuff to play that I don't need to give devs who do dirty by their customers the time of day.
Imagine the outrage of console gamers if a game launched without PSN/XBL features they've had for years.
Like yeah, you can still play it on your system. But no friends, no trophies, no cloud saves...
Would they be so quick to accept it? I doubt that very much.
Am I talking about morals here ?
I'm talking about money. I pay for something. You give it to me. Fuckin simple.
Seconded. EGS has been a thing for 6 months now, and this point has been retorted extensively in that time.
Maybe you should stop posting before you embarrass yourself further.
It should be indeed. That would avoid posting that EGS guideline over and over... Which people'dont even read considering they dont respect it.
Is anybody not giving it to them? When public funded games get late on Switch or PSV console do you see anybody crying? If it was cancelled I would understand I had to endure WiiU games port cancellation, but for 6 months? That is just a morality discussion
Fuck you for being so entitled. Expecting something in return for your money. smh
/s
Just remember if this shit happened on PS4/XB1 we'd be having a VERY different conversation >_>
Gotta really disagree with some of the rhetroic people are throwing around about like this EGS stuff just being a huge cash bonus to a dev like this. Gearbox, and even Team Meat, sure.
This is a dev with no real history besides a freeware version of this same game, and that barely squeaked by it's crowdfunding goal with 900 backers is not in the same situation as most of the EGS games (and even not even in Phoenix Point's ballpark with it's 10k+ backers). A cash infusion into a game like this almost certainly has a result of making the game far better.
This is a dev with no real history besides a freeware version of this same game, and that barely squeaked by it's crowdfunding goal with 900 backers is not in the same situation as most of the EGS games (and even not even in Phoenix Point's ballpark with it's 10k+ backers). A cash infusion into a game like this almost certainly has a result of making the game far better.
It would be great if epic looks at current games that try to get funded and funds them before they hit their goal and then some. But already funded games that promised to release on steam are a no go and turn me off of them completely. Also no more future support for these devs from me.
People didnt click a button. They gave money. Stop your fuckin console warring or grow a spine because it's downright pathetic. It's like some people make a sport of being shat on and asking for more.
It doesn't happen because Epic is not interested in assuming the risk when it comes to developing these games.
Yes I did. People didnand they did rightfully so.
You pay, you get.
Fuckin simple. You know what ?.it's been a thing since 5000 fuckin years since money is a thing. It's only in this moronic corporate bootlicking industry that we see that shit and people defending it with stuff like "uh deal with it loooool".
I don't use any of those features so I don't really know how it changes the experience tbh
did Microsoft or Sony pay them to make it available on switch later even though the development was done?
or was it allocating resources is hard with development changes you could never see coming?
weird how some people might be more understanding of one over the over
Right, some.people.use them. Heck, even fuckin more simple: Sharing your game. Or even being allowed to play the game.
Is this post serious? Because if so then fucking yikes. Does supporting EGS now come in hand with spitting on less fortunate, non-first world country gamer?
SO everything goes in a morality discussion in the end.
Happy to see you happily buy games with no care for any corporate bullshit except this one
I predict any one that really cared about the game would have got it on the lesser store regardless, then when there is a lot less people wanting to buy it on Steam a year later, Epic can turn around and say that the game sold better on EGS than Steam.
wtf is wrong with you?
well personally, there's quite a few I am interested in but won't be touching until they come to Steam or GOG. I've managed to hold off until now, putting more on the pile at this point won't change anything frankly.
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Yes, that's what I was saying. I can't understand how that would affect how some people play so I can't speak to those things.
that would take effort that they're not willing to put in. if they were doing that from the beginning and finding new and promising projects that otherwise wouldn't be made people would largely applaud them for it. I wouldn't necessarily like it for it to be not on my preferred platform, but there wouldn't be much I could do about it (and I would say it would be much better in the long term for them to get the good will by not restricting that developer on where they release the game but that's a whole other topic)
Yeah, it's obvious at this point,but that could show some goodwill while achieving the same.
Fair enough ok, but your post came across as rather dismissive of the features, and if that wasn't the case then apologies for bringing it up.
I really REALLY want Hades and WWZ, but nope, gonna wait for a Steam release. Why? Because playtime tracking, friends, cloud saves and universal controller support.
Also, how can Epic say a game sold better on their store than Steam if they don't have Steam sales numbers?
No one owns a vita or Wii U. A metric fuck ton of people use steam and have had multiple games announced as coming to steam only to be pulled close to release because Epic has dumptrucks of cash.
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And yes people were up in arms about those situation with the vita and Wii U and rightfully so.
Lots of things in life don't effect me but I can still understand how they effect others
it's called empathy
Why? Because my opinion is EGS is not as bad as what a lot of people here think? Whatever. In this case, I think it's perfectly reasonable for Fig backers to be granted refunds. Their original post implied (not promised) that it would be on Steam, and thus available for Linux users. Now it's not going to be when it's released, so I think it's understandable to request a refund. Fig investors on the other hand would be crazy to want out, because their investment is looking much more secure at this point. If you don't want to use EGS, that is perfectly reasonable too. That's the great thing about stores. The consumer can choose whether to purchase something or not. Just because I have no problem with EGS, doesn't mean you can't have a problem with it.
I think a bigger issue in these EGS threads is this. Those who dislike EGS really use disingenuous arguments much of the time. Like saying "Epic defenders", "corporate bootlickers", etc... I don't see anyone in this thread who thinks what Epic is doing as being "good". Those who don't mind Epic most of the time just see this as a "well, they aren't getting a foothold in this marketplace by doing anything else but moneyhatting". Also, is China good or China bad? Because now we have people complaining that those in China can't use EGS is a bad thing, at the same time we have people saying that they are not giving Epic money or information because of Tencent. (Yes, I am aware that Chinese citizens are not the same thing as Chinese govt., etc...) The real reason most people don't like EGS is a few things. Can't get games at 3rd party resellers, don't have cloud saves, have bias against moneyhatting in general, and the rest of their library is on Steam. All completely reasonable arguments for not wanting to use EGS.
Lol ridiculous. Its their right I guess, and its my right to not bother with their game. I just hope we dont have one of those threads in a year or two of "ooh man so many folks passed up a good game!! Poor studio?" Cause I'd post a lol in that thread.
They do offer grants to developers of UE based games, but it is basically chump change when compared against the moneyhats.
At this point epic is burning through tens or hundreds of millions to get exclusive games, so why not fund them in the first place. Maybe that's a longterm goal cause it wouldn't benefit them for years, but that would be a way to go without that huge backlash.
A bit extreme to say I lack empathy for not understanding how people use features that I have never used.
they're not all investors. you can make a regular kickstarter-esque pledge on Fig, too. This game got ~$51k from pledges and $75k from investments.
I for no reason can believe that a larger publisher have problems reaching out to customers on Steam. The Steam store got lots of games but the frontpage is full of different quality games, I'd even go so far to say that there isn't a single bad game on my frontpage right now, only quality games and while I get that a "bloat of good games" are bad for publishers, it gets the competition going. If it doesn't sell well, chances are that there were more attractive games releasing at the same time, tough luck. Don't get me wrong tho, I totally get why people take Epic up on that offer, it is probably too good to pass up. However, big publishers aren't the ones that needs the help with visibility. Small indie devs do.
Says the person who called someone a corporate bootlicker in this very thread. ;)
Ignorance than? Though it's not a very good excuse to just dismiss other peoples concerns with ye olde "just another launcher" argument when that one's been beaten to death in a million EGS threads before this one.
It's not just another launcher. Steam is a platform in and of itself. My friends are there. A forum for every game I own. My achievements. Easy access to mods and workshop features. Built-in controller support for multiple devices. Built-in Streaming services, leader boards, and really... so much more.
Steam is to PC, what XBL and PSN have become to their respective systems if not more so. Besides, given all the features EGS lacks, and their insistence on denying other useful features wholesale... It's just regression. Why would anyone ever argue in favor of a platform with less features? With less... everything?