Was there a white Joker-type dude in the comic where they've gotten Doomfist out of Prison? He looked sick.There is a white guy in Talon:
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Overwatch isn't very diverse with its villains
- Thread starter Rackham
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Is that Omnic going to become Overwatch's Spy class? :OThere is a white guy in Talon:
We're gonna need a Pyro class to root him out. >:D
That was Moira lul
No worries my dude. If I wasn't an OW lore junkie I'd have assumed the same
The game started with 2 concrete villains, Reaper and Windowmaker. 2 villains out of over a dozen heroes. It was unbalanced from the start. So to fix that, they've made most of the DLC characters villains. Most of those DLC characters have been minorities. This is a GOOD thing.
Is OP really saying we need more white villains? I'm happy with diversity in my game, thanks.
Is OP really saying we need more white villains? I'm happy with diversity in my game, thanks.
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This is actually funny. I don't pay attention to minute details but let's keep this on playable OW characters.
Really? Just going by memory they didn't look alike. I might be wrong.
I can understand having nothing but minority villains is a bad look, but it's much more so in games where you play a white savior mowing down minorities, not a shooter with no real story presented in game.
Overwatch is one of the more diverse games around on so many levels and handles it well for the most part. I don't think that because there are villains that are minorities that minorities are vilified. Trying to fill racial quotas here doesn't seem helpful, especially when generic white guys are already so heavily represented everywhere.
Overwatch is one of the more diverse games around on so many levels and handles it well for the most part. I don't think that because there are villains that are minorities that minorities are vilified. Trying to fill racial quotas here doesn't seem helpful, especially when generic white guys are already so heavily represented everywhere.
Why did they take away her crazy ass smile? She looks way cooler in that image than in-game.That was actually Moira:
If you look, you can see her eye thing.
You left out the most sadistic villain of all.
I think "Fucking Mei" might be the most used phrase in Overwatch.
Sorry but your title doesn't make sense if I read the thread correctly.
You are disappointed with the lack of diversity in the villains, but you want more male white villains???
Isn't that the opposite of what so many people have asking? Besides, Overwatch has been hailed for trying to be more diverse than other games hasn't it?
You are disappointed with the lack of diversity in the villains, but you want more male white villains???
Isn't that the opposite of what so many people have asking? Besides, Overwatch has been hailed for trying to be more diverse than other games hasn't it?
Among the community, everywhere. Nothing in-lore so far though.
Well, if you put it that way:
- unstable environments are more likely to produce unstable shady people, who are then perhaps more susceptible to joining a large (evil) organization that'd give them means to do whatever
- good people from poor backgrounds are more likely to stay in their own countries, solving their own country's issues
- good people from developed countries are more likely to go overseas to help out (because their home country doesn't need help)
- and shady people from developed countries are uh... well there Are two Caucasians among the villains
I mean, it's something I've observed from China. A lot of Chinese don't understand why the heck people would expect them to, for example, donate for poor children in Africa, because they think there are plenty of poor people in China. I forgot if it was Bill Gates or who else who once tried to come to China to convince rich Chinese to donate, and the rich Chinese were even afraid to show up. It's not that they Won't donate though, they just do so at home. A rich Chinese person's idea of donating is paying to build roads, schools or housing projects in poor Chinese provinces (with priority to their home area). I imagine it's the same for India for example. Why would an Indian go out of their way to help Americans or Europeans instead of poor Indians?
A couple of things. With Roadhog being like 48 and Junkrat being 25, I'm not quite sure I want them as our gay couple with that huge age gap. Literally, Roadhog is basically Junkrat's dad and stops him from doing dumb things.
Secondly, Zarya shows off different body types for females that I appreciate a lot. She doesn't have to be trans to have a muscular body, while it would be a nice addition.
Third, McHanzo has been something that fans created. The two characters don't even interact in game with voice lines and have never met in person in the lore. There's a chance now that Overwatch is getting back together and Genji invited Hanzo, but Hanzo's also being invited to Talon.
This "queer-baiting" is more the fans filling in blanks for themselves, similar to the Pharmercy ship before Genjicy became a canon thing. Tracer is the only canon gay character for now, and I'd prefer the rest of the reveals be up to the same caliber as hers. But since the plot and lore move so slowly, this isn't so much as "queer-baiting" and more so "we literally are releasing 10 page comics every three months and a majority of the shorts have been flashbacks for stories we already know about".
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Diversity doesn't mean "minorities only." It literally means a variety.
There's plenty of cis white male characters in this game and plenty other games as well, thanks.
There's plenty more possible non-white characters that could and should be represented far more.
There's plenty more possible non-white characters that could and should be represented far more.
Its a fine line, but theyre likable characters even if theyre villains. If they were all designed to be hated then I might see your point but I dont see it as a diversity issue, plus there are plenty of diverse heroes on the other side as well.
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Our two caucasian villains also happen to be women. Still minorities.
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I like the Overwatch cast and I don't want people to misinterpret this as a thread where I state my hate for OW or anything (not that I think you are)
I just would like to see the next villain be someone like Soldier 76 or Reinhardt.
OW is my most played game and I actually really like a majority of the cast. Moira and Ana are my two favorite characters.
Looking at the big picture of female videogame villains I'd say women are rather underrepresented
I get what OP is trying to say here. That it's a bit sketchy that the main organization of villains are comprised of minorities (and a brainwashed white girl) and four of the heroes are white, presumably cis straight, dudes. Then they retconned Mercy's shades of grey into being Moira's doing because of fan reception and interpretation of Mercy, so a white, presumably cis straight woman is no longer a villain but an implied wlw or trans woman now did bad things to Reaper.
There's definitely something to be discussed there, I think. How it could be seen as trying to imply white, cis, straight people, dudes in particular, are good, and only minorities can truly be bad.
... That being said, we have Junkrat and he's definitely a villain, even if a more comical kind. So. I'm not really bothered and I think he all by himself blows up the argument.
I don't think Blizzard intended to imply anything. I mean, as noted earlier, 76 and McCree were initially supposed to be dicks, but fan demand scrapped that.
There's definitely something to be discussed there, I think. How it could be seen as trying to imply white, cis, straight people, dudes in particular, are good, and only minorities can truly be bad.
... That being said, we have Junkrat and he's definitely a villain, even if a more comical kind. So. I'm not really bothered and I think he all by himself blows up the argument.
I don't think Blizzard intended to imply anything. I mean, as noted earlier, 76 and McCree were initially supposed to be dicks, but fan demand scrapped that.
Ah, so absolutely nothing, and should definitely not be used as block for Moira being an actual example of what OP is after.
Theres variety in skin colour, sexuality, country and gender represented - which variety is missing?
Depending on the community, every character in Overwatch is LBGTQ.
WTF?
Sounds like they want Evil 76.
Junkrat is a white male but for some reason you don't count him either. You're cherry picking to an extreme and wanting something oddly specific. You want a straight white male villain with an in-lore allegiance to Talon?
I've seen that said about 15 times in overwatch communities. I thought the character was actually trans in the lore. Apparently not.
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I'm glad they're there.
Among Talon, white males.
I don't think they did either.
Some people in this thread are missing the point. It is an obvious problem when the villains are made up of minorities and the heroes are not. It doesn't matter if the villains aren't caricatures, diversity in that case is offensive since minorities are represented as the bad guys.
But I don't think Overwatch suffers from this problem as the heroes are diverse. Widowmaker's still white and we have Junkrat. I wouldn't mind seeing a white guy Talon member though. A playable Omnic villain would be cool too.
A bit OT but I find OW's two black characters to be rather stereotypical as black characters go. And, no, Efi and Orisa doesn't count as one isn't playable/a minor character and the other's a robot.
But I don't think Overwatch suffers from this problem as the heroes are diverse. Widowmaker's still white and we have Junkrat. I wouldn't mind seeing a white guy Talon member though. A playable Omnic villain would be cool too.
A bit OT but I find OW's two black characters to be rather stereotypical as black characters go. And, no, Efi and Orisa doesn't count as one isn't playable/a minor character and the other's a robot.
There's more white villains than any other in Overwatch. Moira, Widowmaker and Junkrat
Ya sure, from what I know about their process they have a ton of already designed characters in the vault that they could release and choosing one is a matter of how fun they are to play, fit the meta, etc etc. If they end up being minorities is probably more of a coincidence than anything else.
Which is a whole other issue, a person cant look a certain way without people imposing a gender?
Since you had to find ways to make the two white characters not count in not sure you've really got much of a point here.
I really can't see what adding a white straight man to the villain team does other than forgo a chance to represent a unique culture with another white straight man.
I mean, why do you even want that? Do you think it's unrealistic or something? It doesn't sound like you're advocating in favour of better representation for straight white men so it can't be that.
I really can't see what adding a white straight man to the villain team does other than forgo a chance to represent a unique culture with another white straight man.
I mean, why do you even want that? Do you think it's unrealistic or something? It doesn't sound like you're advocating in favour of better representation for straight white men so it can't be that.
But this is proven to be not the case, like, at all. Read the thread.
If they released a new comic exposing Soldier 76 as a Talon spy, would that be be enough?
A lot of it is on their website and they have released comics too
The cinematics, comics, character video's, in-game intel, Uprising-event, information release by Blizzard in books, before release, to accompany character announcements etc. It's not much, but there's some fun stuff out there.