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Overwatch League Season 1 Stage 3 |OT| In N Out of Playoffs Contention

optimus8936

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The_Strokes said:
I mean, you managed to beat Seoul without that Tracer specialist (disagreeing absolutely that Surefours Tracer isn't good enough when he's improved exponentially).

And yeah, Asher can play those roles, but right now, he isn't better than S4 on any of them besides Tracer, and that's a marginal difference.

The defined DPS roles from last stage have been blurred out, might as well just commit to having your best flex DPS for the full match if he's performing at the level he is. Asher ain't no SBB, lol.
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Seoul also didn't have Fleta for 4 maps.

SBB is also not as good as Pine on those heroes, but he still sees play because he's the best Tracer. you are seriously underestimating the value of Tracer in the current meta.

S4 has improved on other heroes. His Tracer is lackluster compared to most other top Tracers, including Asher.

not only are they missing out on having their best Tracer, they're losing the synergy between him and Fissure that analysts have been praising LAG for since the beginning of stage 2.
 
TheYanger

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watching huk on oversight is great. I haven't followed him at all since early SC2 pro days, but dude is just super well spoken and I love the way that he makes it sound like they run Uprising.
 
Cappa

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Jam said:
From that video alone:

> It's sponsor's faults that people get punished, not the fact we did wrong
> My homophobic comments and misuse of retard were 'banter', people just misinterpreted them and the rules don't let us have 'banter'
> Blizzard not letting me stream during OWL games 'hampered my creativity'
> Would only consider coming back to the league if they reverse the ban for racism

Where is your constant defense, support and encouragement for Sado, OGE, Taimou, Tairong, Silkthread and everyone else who has been punished by the league?
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Because sado oge taimou are still in the league lol. The other two aren't very good.

Xepher also landed on his two feet after starting a bullying campaign against geguri last year.
 
optimus8936

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i-hate-u

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Sure, running the B team instead of Seagull/Unkoe hurt them, but let's not blame people anymore, Akm. Dallas bent over backward to please you, do not be like this, be better.
 
blue_phazon

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I hope someday maybe in season 2 or later I see a team with Fissure + Geguri on a team. I love seeing both these tanks play
 
i-hate-u

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I would be worried if I were Akm on Dallas. If Taimou is getting his mojo back, he is going to get benched.

The only thing Akm should be doing now is grinding Tracer for the Tracer/Genji comps where Effect plays the latter.
 
dr.rocktopus

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I wonder if his contract has stipulations on how often to play (i.e.: Seagull has said in the past he was signed in as a bench player). I don't think with Taimou's inconsistencies he'll never get another chance. But you're right - he needs to expand and improve that hero pool if he wants to increase the likelihood of getting playtime.
 
ROBOKITTYZILLA

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dr.rocktopus said:
I wonder if his contract has stipulations on how often to play (i.e.: Seagull has said in the past he was signed in as a bench player). I don't think with Taimou's inconsistencies he'll never get another chance. But you're right - he needs to expand and improve that hero pool if he wants to increase the likelihood of getting playtime.
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This is misinformation that people have been spreading. Seagull did not sign as a bench player (meaning he only plays when someone on the starting lineup can't). He was signed as a specialist to play on certain maps and in certain compositions as needed (e.g. when utilizing Pharah, Genji, Mei, Hanzo, etc.). His lack of playtime is one of the reasons he has been having an issue with Dallas and looking for a trade (other than the org and management being shit).

Fuel have much bigger problems to solve but their player's hero pools will certainly make things harder. AKM can play Tracer but he hasn't been playing it regularly since like 2016 and has been far surpassed. Kind of the same situation for Seagull's Genji. The other problem is Widow is really strong in this meta and map pool and you really need Widow played with your Tracer (although sometimes Genji can work). Seagull's Widow is bad and AKM would need to be on Tracer. Taimou doesn't play tracer at all.
 
Chopchop

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Shanghai seems to be slowly getting their shit together.

Fuel just keeps blowing itself up over and over.
 
i-hate-u

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A key takeaway for myself from watching Dallas over the past weeks is that Effect is skilled on projectile characters, particularly Pharah and Genji.

Too bad none of the other DPS players on that team can play Tracer.
 
Jam

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AKM is absolutely aching to criticise the rest of the team and say the reason he's doing badly is because all of them.

LET IT ALL OUT.
 
i-hate-u

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Think of it from Akm's perspective, he is damaging his image for potential roster moves in the future if he doesn't defend himself. Like, which of the new rosters coming in Season 2 would want to sign the 2nd tier DPS from the 10th best team in OWL if he decides to leave Dallas? Unless it's a all french team or something
 
LordofPwn

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i-hate-u said:
Think of it from Akm's perspective, he is damaging his image for potential roster moves in the future if he doesn't defend himself. Like, which of the new rosters coming in Season 2 would want to sign the 2nd tier DPS from the 10th best team in OWL if he decides to leave Dallas? Unless it's a all french team or something
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if they got Rogue back together SHD would finally get a win.
 
Jam

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i-hate-u said:
Think of it from Akm's perspective, he is damaging his image for potential roster moves in the future if he doesn't defend himself. Like, which of the new rosters coming in Season 2 would want to sign the 2nd tier DPS from the 10th best team in OWL if he decides to leave Dallas? Unless it's a all french team or something
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He also damages his reputation if he publically disparages the rest of his team if he claims his bad performances are 'their fault not mine.'

Lose. Lose. Like a true Fuel.
 
Antiwhippy

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Custa interview with fuel.

https://www.theplayerslobby.com/103...dy-la-valiant-dallas-fuel/#.T1524L4968q7509E9

Some choice excerpts.

Language and cultural barriers are a major problem right now, but I think the league will find a way to overcome them in the future. In terms of integrating and helping Korean and Western players, Valiant is doing a better job than Fuel was. Valiant have a translator available 24/7 and everyone respects each other enough to let them do things in their own way. Everything is done in both English and Korean, so it feels like everyone is involved at all times.

At Fuel, every now and then we would have lengthy discussions in English, so you couldn't expect the Koreans to follow along. You could tell there was a major disconnect between the Western and Korean players because every time we had these major discussions it was either fully in English or fully in Korean; at every point, one half was getting left out. It was definitely a hindrance to the team.
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Fuel kind of wanted a leader, but the biggest problem was that it's a very old team and a lot of people were stuck in their old habits, for the most part, they didn't want someone who was speaking for on their behalf or trying to be a guiding figure.
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So how about everything that's said about fuel's problems actually being true?
 
Solidsnakejej

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ROBOKITTYZILLA said:
This is misinformation that people have been spreading. Seagull did not sign as a bench player (meaning he only plays when someone on the starting lineup can't). He was signed as a specialist to play on certain maps and in certain compositions as needed (e.g. when utilizing Pharah, Genji, Mei, Hanzo, etc.). His lack of playtime is one of the reasons he has been having an issue with Dallas and looking for a trade (other than the org and management being shit).

Fuel have much bigger problems to solve but their player's hero pools will certainly make things harder. AKM can play Tracer but he hasn't been playing it regularly since like 2016 and has been far surpassed. Kind of the same situation for Seagull's Genji. The other problem is Widow is really strong in this meta and map pool and you really need Widow played with your Tracer (although sometimes Genji can work). Seagull's Widow is bad and AKM would need to be on Tracer. Taimou doesn't play tracer at all.
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Its not misinformation, but you are also right that he expected to come in for specialist roles on maps, ie Pharah.
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Fuel kind of wanted a leader, but the biggest problem was that it's a very old team and a lot of people were stuck in their old habits, for the most part, they didn't want someone who was speaking for on their behalf or trying to be a guiding figure.
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This is the kind of thing that lead me to believe KyKy not helping as a head coach, The head coach needs to lead and force players to do what they are not comfortable with.
 
i-hate-u

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Kyky would have been fine as an assistance coach, don't know why they completely kicked him out when he has such a rapport with the players.

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Effect is on Korea apparently? Ayy lmao, thank GOD we already played Shangahi.

So I guess Akm/Taimou or Seagull/Akm starting DPS?
 
DSP

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Effect is back in Korea. Not that him playing made any difference in the end but yeah they won't have their best player probably for the rest of this stage.
 
Cappa

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i-hate-u said:
Kyky would have been fine as an assistance coach, don't know why they completely kicked him out when he has such a rapport with the players.

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Effect is on Korea apparently? Ayy lmao, thank GOD we already played Shangahi.

So I guess Akm/Taimou or Seagull/Akm starting DPS?
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Seagull is out maybe if rumors are true and taimou probably too
 
Buttchin-n-Bones

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i-hate-u said:
Kyky would have been fine as an assistance coach, don't know why they completely kicked him out when he has such a rapport with the players.
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They wanted a complete reset. And it makes sense - having a new head coach while the old head coach is still hanging around can potentially undermine the new coach's authority.
 
optimus8936

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Some interesting stuff here.

Architect has over double Babybays widow time this stage, but also has over double his KD.

SBB has the higher KD than Pine, despite Pine generally being considered the better of the 2. Meanwhile Libero is still trash on her.

Effect also has a higher KD than AKM, although far less time on her.

Hooreg higher than Birdring this stage (candles for the Bird)

S4 has improved massively since previous stages.

Fleta is pretty solid
 
TinfoilHatsROn

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optimus8936 said:
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Some interesting stuff here.

Architect has over double Babybays widow time this stage, but also has over double his KD.

SBB has the higher KD than Pine, despite Pine generally being considered the better of the 2. Meanwhile Libero is still trash on her.

Effect also has a higher KD than AKM, although far less time on her.

Hooreg higher than Birdring this stage (candles for the Bird)

S4 has improved massively since previous stages.

Fleta is pretty solid
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Fleta god tier on Widow
SD Coaches: Put Fleta on Hog, munchkin on Widow LUL 900 IQ JUKE
 
Riou

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optimus8936 said:
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Some interesting stuff here.

Architect has over double Babybays widow time this stage, but also has over double his KD.

SBB has the higher KD than Pine, despite Pine generally being considered the better of the 2. Meanwhile Libero is still trash on her.

Effect also has a higher KD than AKM, although far less time on her.

Hooreg higher than Birdring this stage (candles for the Bird)

S4 has improved massively since previous stages.

Fleta is pretty solid
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I believe it was Monte that said something along the lines of "Widowmaker stats can be misleading because teams usually hide from good widows". You can see how much the Gladiators respected Pine's widow on Ilios Ruins.

Libero's stats aren't surprising, his widow has been abysmal this stage. In the game against Florida on Route 66 I don't think he killed Sayaplayer even once. He played out of his mind in the stage 2 finals but I think that was the only game where his Widowmaker was really good. Looking back on stage 2 now, I'm amazed how well NYXL did without a full time Widowmaker player actually. Sure they had SBB that could play her but they needed him on Tracer most of the time.
 
Treestump

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Antiwhippy said:
They'll find a dead body during stage 3's off season.
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Stage 4 - Coolmatt stabs Pine
Off Season - Soon involved in a hit & run
Season 2 Stage 1 - S4 buried a body in his the backyard of his parents house
Stage 2 - Player on new expansion team says stupid shit, gets fined
Stage 3 - Danteh gets drunk, fights teammate
 
coolasj19

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Solidsnakejej

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This was the second time in a few weeks that Seagull has taken time off for personal reason and came back without announcing it. The reason could be any number of things. I wouldn't speculate until Wednesday.
 
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