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NeoRaider · Jan 9, 2020

HERO UPDATES
Baptiste

Immortality Field maximum duration reduced from 8 to 5 seconds
Immortality Field cooldown increased from 20 to 25 seconds
Amplification Matrix ultimate cost increased by 20%

Mei

Endothermic Blaster slowing effect now reduces enemy movement speed from 20-70%, down from 30-90%
Slowing effect duration reduced from 1.5 to 1.0 second

D.Va

Boosters cooldown decreased from 5 to 3 seconds

Orisa

Fortify damage reduction reduced from 50% to 40%

Hanzo

Primary fire maximum projectile speed reduced from 125 to 110

Doomfist

Uppercut recovery time increased from 0.2 to 0.5 seconds

Bony Manifesto · Jan 9, 2020

All sounds like good stuff. Especially that Mei thing.

Slightly worried about the D.Va buff, but she needs something and of all the things to improve, booster cooldown seems like the least controversial.

Solidsnakejej · Jan 9, 2020

Sigma remains the best off tank.

Veelk · Jan 9, 2020

I was always confused by the CD didn't start until after the IF was deployed, but I guess it doesn't matter now since even if the IF stays alive as long as possible, its cooldown will always be 20 seconds and more if it's killed before then. Seems reasonable.

Idk how much Mei's nerf will affect her at all.

I might be wrong, but D.Va's booster cooldown don't feel like they do much at all. Maybe if they were just always available 100% of the time like Soldier's sprint, that'd be a game changer, but idk.

Orisa's will probably hurt her a bit, but I'm fine with Orisa right now, it's Sigma whose a monster.

Hanzo's is good, but man does it make him feel sluggish after so long of the quicksnipe Hanzo.

And Doomfist might actually be fucked by this one. I'm not a doomfist player, but just hopping onto the training range, you can feel the delay of his uppercut and him taking his shots. This will utterly mess with his combo making abilities, which might just straight up kill him.

turbobrick · Jan 9, 2020

Had a rough day of games today. Did tank placements and went 2 - 3, placed 2271. I was surprised at how many new accounts were in my games today.

Salarians · Jan 9, 2020

so it sounds like this Hanzo change is bringing his arrow speed back to how is used to be? is that right?

Veelk · Jan 9, 2020

btw, it's day 3124828051734242563 of reaper having an overpowered life steal and he still isn't getting a nerf.

Rirse · Jan 9, 2020

Veelk said:
btw, it's day 3124828051734242563 of reaper having an overpowered life steal and he still isn't getting a nerf.

what that you want a bridgitte nerf?

turbobrick · Jan 9, 2020

Veelk said:
btw, it's day 3124828051734242563 of reaper having an overpowered life steal and he still isn't getting a nerf.

While I agree, recently though I've noticed reaper being played a lot less, and also him being less viable.

CM_Ace · Jan 10, 2020

Is Volskaya bugged or something? Both matches I've played there today have been a laggy mess.

Noppie · Jan 10, 2020

GLAVONAK said:
so it sounds like this Hanzo change is bringing his arrow speed back to how is used to be? is that right?

Yup.

Good ptr patch overall, at least for a start. Hopefully simple changes like this won't take 3 weeks to arrive.

Briareos · Jan 10, 2020

I'm surprised to see the DF change vs one for Reaper, that seems to put the most stress on the idea of teh tension between changes for high level vs low level play.

EssBeeVee · Jan 10, 2020

bap nerf looks minuscule. He stays winning

kurahador · Jan 10, 2020

I love how Blizzard know they fucked up by buffing Baptise damage out of nowhere, yet refuse to budge from that decision.

Veelk · Jan 10, 2020

Dead Prince said:
bap nerf looks minuscule. He stays winning

He's gonna stay winning until they massively tone down either his healing or his dps.

The thing is, if he didn't have immortality field at all, he'd still be a super strong character, he'd just have no utility since all he'd be able to do is heal or damage. He'd be like a skillful Moira, in other words, but if you could pull that off with aiming, you could make him work.

The most absurd thing about him is that he has DPS character level of damage along with some of the strongest healing and one of the most useful abilities in the game. Making his IF slightly harder to use is good, but he still makes Soldier 76 superfluous.

EssBeeVee · Jan 10, 2020

the next thing is they'll just decrease his clip size until they figure out what to do.

lmcfigs · Jan 10, 2020

I'm a diamond dps/support. But I got 2100 placement for tank??? it's actually pretty fucked

turbobrick · Jan 10, 2020

lmcfigs said:
I'm a diamond dps/support. But I got 2100 placement for tank??? it's actually pretty fucked

Is this your first tank placement in role queue? If you don't play a role that much, or aren't good at it, that's what happens. I'm a plat support but place silver on DPS.

names2hard4you · Jan 10, 2020

Yeah Bap feels bad as someone who enjoyed playing Zen before... I always feel both internally and externally like I HAVE to use Bap in order to not only have a high healing output along with damage. Unless the other support uses Bap, I can't use my monk boy :(

stingsabit · Jan 10, 2020

Doomfist and Hammond completely ruin matches and this game for me, holy shit. After all this time nobody knows how to deal with them, and they're easily ignored until they wipe part of your team and when they try to go after them the rest of the enemy team wipes your team... SUCH FUN!

NeoRaider · Jan 10, 2020

This has to be one of the best/funniest OW things i ever saw: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/emthnc/im_gonna_sleep_the_genj_wait

Solidsnakejej · Jan 10, 2020

After so much time in plat playing DPS, the biggest issue is this notion that DPS are suppose to carry games and tanks and supports are just along for the ride.

There is never any thought to counter play the other team. Hey they have a Genji that is just slicing us up with a blade, not even nano, can we get a defensive ult? Nah, dps should kill him during it.

Hey their constantly diving the back line, does anyone swap to brig? Nah, dps should be protecting the backline and killing the other team.

Hey they have a Reaper/Sombra might not want to play Winston here. But he's good on this map.

data west · Jan 10, 2020

NeoRaider said:
HERO UPDATES
Baptiste

Immortality Field cooldown increased from 20 to 25 seconds

These absurdly long cooldowns(same to the 'new' Rez) have absolutely no place in Overwatch.

Hella · Jan 10, 2020

That's what happens when you have an ult on a cooldown, lol.

Salarians · Jan 10, 2020

I wish they'd just make rez an ult again, remove valkyrie, and make multi-beam a brief cooldown ability so she can at least pretend to compete with the healers who can heal more than one person at a time (aka nearly all of them)

NeoRaider · Jan 10, 2020

GLAVONAK said:
I wish they'd just make rez an ult again, remove valkyrie, and make multi-beam a brief cooldown ability so she can at least pretend to compete with the healers who can heal more than one person at a time (aka nearly all of them)

That actually sounds cool. Like boosting or overcharging her staff to heal multiple targets with CD that is not an Ultimate CD.
But having a single rez as Ultimate ability would be really lame.

Hella · Jan 10, 2020

Problem is Mercy's ult, and a lot of the OG design for Overwatch, existed for a different game. A game where you could play any character and counter the enemy's strategies. But as Overwatch has gone on it has been distilled into this 2v2v2 nightmare where you pick a strat and stick to it, hoping you will outplay the enemy. So every balance change is made with that in mind--and anything not fitting into the mold is sanded off.

I fully expect OW2 to complete Overwatch's transformation into a traditional FPS.

Solidsnakejej · Jan 10, 2020

Hella said:
Problem is Mercy's ult, and a lot of the OG design for Overwatch, existed for a different game. A game where you could play any character and counter the enemy's strategies. But as Overwatch has gone on it has been distilled into this 2v2v2 nightmare where you pick a strat and stick to it, hoping you will outplay the enemy. So every balance change is made with that in mind--and anything not fitting into the mold is sanded off.

I fully expect OW2 to complete Overwatch's transformation into a traditional FPS.

Mercy rez ult was never good design at any point in the game's history. I think a lot of people would disagree with the FPS part because the game has become much more focused on ability/ult usage then pure mechanical skill, basically more MOBA then FPS. You can usually tell who will win a fight based off the ults a team has rather then the skill of the players. A lot of high level players have left because of the lessen importance of FPS skill.

So you want to play tank?

SimpleCRIPPLE · Jan 11, 2020

With Wrecking Ball becoming more meta, the fact that the character is designed being annoying as possible really sucks. I swear I spend half my time in the air some games.

Solidsnakejej · Jan 11, 2020

It's amazing that the best counter to doomfist is going Sombra and afking next to your healers because they don't want to counter pick.

Gungriffon · Jan 11, 2020

Solidsnakejej said:
After so much time in plat playing DPS, the biggest issue is this notion that DPS are suppose to carry games and tanks and supports are just along for the ride.

There is never any thought to counter play the other team. Hey they have a Genji that is just slicing us up with a blade, not even nano, can we get a defensive ult? Nah, dps should kill him during it.

Hey their constantly diving the back line, does anyone swap to brig? Nah, dps should be protecting the backline and killing the other team.

Hey they have a Reaper/Sombra might not want to play Winston here. But he's good on this map.

During my Support placements, 3 games came down to the enemy Having a Bastion and our DPS still running doomfist/Junkrat of something equally useless. Literally Spawn, get gunned down, spawn, repeat.

Briareos · Jan 11, 2020

I'll rotate Brig and let them know I will switch back if someone else does cc. They rarely if ever do. Although last 30s "finally switch to Mei" is my favorite "DPS knew they were wasting our time" rotation, usually against Ham natch.

Just got out of a match where opposing dps regularly flanked and enfiladed healers, our two DPS refused to even get into voice chat much less deal with it. C'est la vie.

Salarians · Jan 11, 2020

MCD · Jan 12, 2020

SimpleCRIPPLE said:
With Wrecking Ball becoming more meta, the fact that the character is designed being annoying as possible really sucks. I swear I spend half my time in the air some games.

This is why I hate Hammond design. It's rich coming from a dirty Brig lover but constant boops is more annoying than getting stunned.

Can I play the game please?

Veelk · Jan 12, 2020

MCD said:
This is why I hate Hammond design. It's rich coming from a dirty Brig lover but constant boops is more annoying than getting stunned.

Can I play the game please?

You said it, not me.

turbobrick · Jan 12, 2020

I decided I hate myself tonight so I played main tanks in QP that aren't Orisa. I at least won one of those games out of the 10.

Komii · Jan 12, 2020

MCD said:
This is why I hate Hammond design. It's rich coming from a dirty Brig lover but constant boops is more annoying than getting stunned.

Can I play the game please?

No

-jk

StallionDan · Jan 12, 2020

Solidsnakejej said:
After so much time in plat playing DPS, the biggest issue is this notion that DPS are suppose to carry games and tanks and supports are just along for the ride.

There is never any thought to counter play the other team. Hey they have a Genji that is just slicing us up with a blade, not even nano, can we get a defensive ult? Nah, dps should kill him during it.

Hey their constantly diving the back line, does anyone swap to brig? Nah, dps should be protecting the backline and killing the other team.

Hey they have a Reaper/Sombra might not want to play Winston here. But he's good on this map.

DPS have way more and way better options to counter enemy picks. If a Genji keeps wiping us with Blades, why hasn't DPS switched to something that will shut him down before that so he doesn't get a blade every big fight?

EssBeeVee · Jan 12, 2020

we had no business of pushing the payload that far with 5v6 but we did. and we had no business winning the game as 5v6 but we did. our torb was throwing the whole game because he couldn't play widow.

Solidsnakejej · Jan 12, 2020

For third person workshop: QD9ZP hit the interact key to go 3rd person

Deleted member 8463 · Jan 13, 2020

Been back on this recently over a year break I think. Game is in a much better state than when I left it. Really like Sigma but he is so slow. Hammond is still brilliant.

EssBeeVee · Jan 13, 2020

been in a few games where people don't want to go double shield but hey. i get to play ana so its win win for me.

gonna have to do placement on main and other alt and see how it goes.

NeoRaider · Jan 13, 2020

When can we expect Lunar NY event? Week days before 25th? Which is next week.

Veelk · Jan 13, 2020

NeoRaider said:
When can we expect Lunar NY event? Week days before 25th? Which is next week.

It depends. Last years Lunar NY started Jan 24. The year before's started Feb 8. The year before that (the first one) was the Jan 24th again. So between the Jan 24 and Feb 8 seems to be the range here.

NeoRaider · Jan 13, 2020

Veelk said:
It depends. Last years Lunar NY started Jan 24. The year before's started Feb 8. The year before that (the first one) was the Jan 24th again. So between the Jan 24 and Feb 8 seems to be the range here.

Yeah but Lunar NY has different dates every year, so we can't really look back at past years.

data west · Jan 13, 2020

I'll never understand why people say all the new heroes AFTER ana 'ruined the game'

when Ana's the one who introduced burst healing

Solidsnakejej · Jan 13, 2020

OWL team official twitter

Veelk · Jan 13, 2020

data west said:
I'll never understand why people say all the new heroes AFTER ana 'ruined the game'

when Ana's the one who introduced burst healing

The concept of burst healing isn't bad, and at the time it was kept to a single character who had it on cooldown and had to aim to make use it. But when most healers can do it with little skill involved and have massive basic hps on top of that....

Also, wouldn't Lucio's amp it up count as burst healing?

BDS · Jan 13, 2020

It's likely that they're internally targeting a late 2020 release (probably the week after Blizzcon). The question is whether OWL season 4 will be played on OW2; it's possible they're keeping OWL teams in the loop and maybe letting them play early before everyone else if they intend for OWL to be on the OW2 patch.

And of course, if the game gets delayed to early 2021, all of this gets thrown out the window.

Protoman200X · Jan 13, 2020

Veelk said:
The concept of burst healing isn't bad, and at the time it was kept to a single character who had it on cooldown and had to aim to make use it. But when most healers can do it with little skill involved and have massive basic hps on top of that....

Also, wouldn't Lucio's amp it up count as burst healing?

No, Lucio's heals are definitely HOT (Heals Over Time) than BH. Even when you use Amp It Up to increase his healing rate for a short duration, it's still just a buff on the player which heals them a certain amount. It's a lot of upkeep if you are careless, on top of having to keep track of cooldowns and buff timers, etc.

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