That's not your problem at all. Why would you think or care about am i enjoying the game or not? Lol
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Overwatch |OT2-2-2| Role With It
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I remember when he said this because people misunderstood it as Jeff suggesting characters could get permanently killed off as part of the ongoing story.
(This was back when we still thought the game actually had an ongoing story and they weren't just going to sit there doing nothing for five years until OW2)
You make it my problem, and everyone in this thread's problem, by polluting it with your constant toxicity.
Like, you don't like any changes they make. You don't like the "focus on esports balancing" (demonstrably false). You don't even fucking like any event skins. Why are you still playing?
Actually i said that i really like latest Sombra and Moira skins. So you are lying.
Sorry i am not in the Blizzard's ass losing my shit about everything they do or say.
I can stay here and discuss as long as i want. This is not your private forum.
Do you play the game competitively or quick play? I'm failing to see how any of these changes aren't exciting for comp players.
I haven't touched this god awful stupidly boring toxic imbalanced game in months and this is the first positive information I've seen coming from the dev team in that time alongside the recent patches.
It doesn't matter what i am playing.
Hero pools imo. won't and can't be a positive thing in OW in the long run. It's going to be short lived "solution".
The Experimental card is great, solving the entire PTR problem. This should hopefully bring some fun rebalancing. I don't think Hero Pools will fix much at all.
Ow Community: "we need a hero ban system to shake up the meta"
Blizzard: "We don't believe in hero bans because we don't think the enemy team should be able to dictate what you get to play."
Ow community: "Well, okay, but then wha-?"
Blizzard: "Only we get to dictate that. Your favorite hero? Banned, as of now."
Blizzard: "We don't believe in hero bans because we don't think the enemy team should be able to dictate what you get to play."
Ow community: "Well, okay, but then wha-?"
Blizzard: "Only we get to dictate that. Your favorite hero? Banned, as of now."
I think all this update proves is the Overwatch community-at-large is never going to be happy with anything.
Uh, really curious to know where such strong assertion is coming from when the game clearly could use a strong shake up against one tricks, and stale metas with Blizzard also finally addressing balance changes more quickly.
2-2-2 was a step in the right direction but implemented with janky balance around no role limits.
People like to complain about 'freedom' when we all know the realities of ranked. Fuck freedom, give me a strong ruleset that benefits overall gameplay experience.
Maybe I can play Winston now.
I'm okay with it, I just think it's funny they were like "we are philosophically opposed to hero bans" but then go "okay, so here are hero bans, just on our terms"
Kaplan's post, specifically about ban metas and increased non-playing game time, details why it's dev-controlled as opposed to player controlled.
I'll review the post, but I feel like there's nothing in there that specifically opposes bans to heroes at all as opposed to specifically letting players choose the ban
Tempting. As a former flex-player hero pools does make things interesting. I think it could be interesting on a quicker match-to-match, voted in basis. Not sure I can come back yet after Blitzchung, though.
This would be amazing for OWL. Forcing player subs and changes in strats on-the-fly after every match. Forcing teams to use the entire roster, and encouraging them to have a balanced roster with players who can play a large number of characters at a high level.
Random election from a small pool based on a the weeks previously most-played characters. 2 DPS, 1 Support, 1 Tank
Oh my post wasn't directed at you or anyone specifically. I've just seen enough complaining on Twitter already and the change hasn't even been implemented yet.
I honestly dont believe them about faster updates and hero changes. They said they would update us more with heroes and maps quicker and they didn't live up to that promise at all. Hero pools is stupid and the game doesn't have enough heroes to justify that at all.
And when it comes down to it they clearly aren't understanding the issue. The issue isn't rapidly changing metas because it gets stale. The issue is the last several metas have all sucked and no one has enjoyed playing them and you didn't do a good enough job at figuring out how to change them (and took too long to implement solutions that haven't made the game better). This solution entirely misses the problem.
And when it comes down to it they clearly aren't understanding the issue. The issue isn't rapidly changing metas because it gets stale. The issue is the last several metas have all sucked and no one has enjoyed playing them and you didn't do a good enough job at figuring out how to change them (and took too long to implement solutions that haven't made the game better). This solution entirely misses the problem.
It'll happen after OW2 comes out, which I hope isn't in 2022.
the experimental mode sounds great but, while I'm glad they're trying things, I wouldn't be surprised if hero pools didn't last
You know, unless they do it just right, this might encourage mirror comps, unless they just target banning meta heroes, they might just be effectively limiting the hero pool. If Rein and Sigma are meta, and they ban Orisa who is closest to being meta to them, well, then that just feeds into them being more meta without the second-rate meta hero being there to compete with them.
Pretty much what I got from it. I have Brig, Mercy, and Moira so I'll be fine overall, but still.. not a fan.
May be the pessimist in me, but I can already see people throwing games in comp if their 'main' gets locked out for a week.
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i doubt theyll limit lucio. if anything it'll be bap. just play zen. they aren't going to touch a hero no one played for several seasons ;P
but i have to see about how they choose which hero to ban for the week. because it could make the overall balance of the game go off.
You think I can aim.
But statistically speaking, in a roster of only 7 supports, it's not going to be too, too long before Lucio gets banned one of the weeks.
You think I can aim.
But statistically speaking, in a roster of only 7 supports, it's not going to be too, too long before Lucio gets banned one of the weeks.
It would only bee a week anyway, not too long. And its only for competitive.
Also only like half the supports actually need aiming.
I'm not complaining too much. I just thought the suggestion for me personally to play Zen was amusing considering my skills.
Really wish they would lower the AFK time out. So many matches lost because one dumb ass would rather ruin a match instead of drop back to queue.
People down on hero pools will immediately change their mind when they see Hanzo greyed out for an entire week.
edit: and I can easily much more experimentation and fluidity in the meta coming from hero pools. Blizzard just has to ban smartly to keep players not devolving back into old strategies. Banning characters with the highest playtime will probably just make it so you play a different comp every other week. The dev team really need to think about what characters synergize in any given comp, and what hero removed makes the comp not function.
I'd also like to know if their list of potential revisions to hero pools includes less banned heroes at lower ranks and different heroes per rank. Maybe that would be a better compromise. Characters like Moira and Reaper dominate at lower ranks and aren't in the meta at all in GM. If hero pools don't work out I'd like to see this changed first before adjusting the time period or scrapping the concept altogether.
edit: and I can easily much more experimentation and fluidity in the meta coming from hero pools. Blizzard just has to ban smartly to keep players not devolving back into old strategies. Banning characters with the highest playtime will probably just make it so you play a different comp every other week. The dev team really need to think about what characters synergize in any given comp, and what hero removed makes the comp not function.
I'd also like to know if their list of potential revisions to hero pools includes less banned heroes at lower ranks and different heroes per rank. Maybe that would be a better compromise. Characters like Moira and Reaper dominate at lower ranks and aren't in the meta at all in GM. If hero pools don't work out I'd like to see this changed first before adjusting the time period or scrapping the concept altogether.
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You should watch the part of the dev update where Jeff states this is not what they are doing. Or read his post.
I just discovered Mystery Heroes and I'm having lots of fun.
That's where I'm at.
This proposed change to comp sounded very strange at first but yes, it does seem fine now when you think about it.
I think I should finally start getting my console skills up to snuff too. I've owned it on PS4 but never played it and I've had it longer than I've had my PC copy.
That's where I'm at.
This proposed change to comp sounded very strange at first but yes, it does seem fine now when you think about it.
I think I should finally start getting my console skills up to snuff too. I've owned it on PS4 but never played it and I've had it longer than I've had my PC copy.
Yeah I dunno about hero pools. And only 4 characters as well doesn't even sound like it'll shake things up much.
The only benefit is I get to have some matches without one of the DPS teammates thinking they are the world's hottest Hanzo and throw the match for us. But on the counter point, we don't get the matches where the opponent team gets that world's hottest Hanzo player throwing for them...
The only benefit is I get to have some matches without one of the DPS teammates thinking they are the world's hottest Hanzo and throw the match for us. But on the counter point, we don't get the matches where the opponent team gets that world's hottest Hanzo player throwing for them...
Let's say the meta is Winston, D.Va, Hanzo, Soldier, Baptiste, Ana. Now we remove D.Va, Soldier, Hanzo and Ana from the pool. How does that not shake things up? Now we target the meta with targetted balance changes: we nerf Hanzo, Baptiste and buff a counter. Now we reintroduce those heroes. That is a double shake up. Rince and repeat.
If they stay ontop of things like they're saying they will, there is no way this doesn't shake things up alot.
I guess it's the one week cap as well that comes into play. If they can update on a weekly basis it could change things up. Time to see if that works in practice though.
I mean they have the data to back it up, the reason why they are the ones doing the band is simple and they've explained it. "Metas" come from the top ranks and no matter the balance patch, at the highest level people don't move away from certain compositions quick enough.
I figure their line of thinking is, if the user can't be trusted to move that Meta even when balance patches are aggressive, who's to say hero bans won't result in the exact same heroes being banned every game (ie. Always Orisa, always Mei and Hanzo, always Brigitte and Bap). By having it be them ban heroes, people will have to adapt to the situation.
Also if you want all the heroes, you can always just play Quick Play or any other mode for that matter. Idk so many games that have seasons do it in a way in which each season is wildly different from the previous one... OW has always been the same for 21 seasons and I guess that change can be hard for some. I'm open to trying new things every season
I figure their line of thinking is, if the user can't be trusted to move that Meta even when balance patches are aggressive, who's to say hero bans won't result in the exact same heroes being banned every game (ie. Always Orisa, always Mei and Hanzo, always Brigitte and Bap). By having it be them ban heroes, people will have to adapt to the situation.
Also if you want all the heroes, you can always just play Quick Play or any other mode for that matter. Idk so many games that have seasons do it in a way in which each season is wildly different from the previous one... OW has always been the same for 21 seasons and I guess that change can be hard for some. I'm open to trying new things every season
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