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Nazo · Nov 23, 2018

SDBurton said:
Yeah it annoys the fuck outta me tbh. Them and other youtubers like KingmykL believe that the dude should run along unchecked due to how many viewers he pulls in when streaming Overwatch, the latter spouting claims that Overwatch needs him more than he needs it. Nah fam. Overwatch was doing fine before he was there and it'll be fine when his dumb ass drops the game entirely. But for real though, fuck KingmykL for his diehard defending of this dude.

I agree 100%. Your Overwatch is a trash channel. Their constant defending of toxic shit heads like XQC really put me off. Also, their endless whining about wanting roll que. Like, they think it'll solve all the games problems in one fell swoop. It won't. Fuck 'em.

TsuXna · Nov 23, 2018

bear force one said:
You obviously don't play her if you think she has few counters. Learn to play.

Wow look at the big boy, so much of "respect others or leave"

bear force one said:
Pro play has nothing to do with ladder. Her pick rates and win rates are on the side of no nerfs needed.

Pros don't play ladder btw only balance the game around gold and plats pls

i-hate-u said:
Damn bruh so hostile.

Seriously, she has few counters and her ult is devastating for how fast she gets it. My proposed change makes it so that she is easier to punish if she gets greedy and delays her recall for more damage.

While i don't think she should have 150 hp, but her hack cast time and duration should definitely be nerfed. Most of the times and especially during fight you simply can't react to the hack and 6 seconds is hella long to be out of the fight. And arguing with die hard Brigitte defender is waste of time. Can't penetrate all that armor 4head

Veelk · Nov 23, 2018

Terraj_RSL said:
McCree's flashBang and Ana's sleepDart can also "interrupt and completely shut down" all those ULTs you listed, but they don't get all this hate.

Yeah, because a sleep dart has never done 50 points of damage and was much harder to land than a shield bash. And McCree's trying to land a stun don't have shields to safely protect them, so they can't use their stuns aggressively the way Brigs can. And they don't do 50 points of damage either.

Plus: 6 of 9 heroes you mentioned (Reinhardt, Hanzo, Pharah, Tracer, Lucio and McCree) can easily avoid Brigette, by keeping track of her position, so you don't ULT within her bash-range.

Good. Brigs should have to work hard to land those stuns. Exploit misplays and make opportunities. Earn those stuns. That's what interplay is. Your opponent reading the situation and playing in such a way that they keep safe from you. And you have to find a way to get in close enough regardless to do what you need to do. The possibility of you shutting them down shouldn't anywhere close to certain. It just needs to be a possibility and a threat.

NeoRaider · Nov 23, 2018

When you finally get a Legendary skin and it's Safari... but not Safari that you really wanted but Winston Safari... :/

icecold1983 · Nov 23, 2018

Terraj_RSL said:
McCree's flashBang and Ana's sleepDart can also "interrupt and completely shut down" all those ULTs you listed, but they don't get all this hate. Plus: 6 of 9 heroes you mentioned (Reinhardt, Hanzo, Pharah, Tracer, Lucio and McCree) can easily avoid Brigette, by keeping track of her position, so you don't ULT within her bash-range.

how exactly can Reinhardt easily avoid brig shield bash?

TsuXna said:
Wow look at the big boy, so much of "respect others or leave"

Pros don't play ladder btw only balance the game around gold and plats pls

hes been playing the game for years now and sitll hasnt the slightest understanding of it. youll have to excuse him

Kuro · Nov 23, 2018

It sucks that you need to use 3 heroes to take out a pocketed widow. Whats the point of Ashe at higher ranks when Widow still one shots with ease and has better mobility.

MCD · Nov 23, 2018

Kuro said:
It sucks that you need to use 3 heroes to take out a pocketed widow. Whats the point of Ashe at higher ranks when Widow still one shots with ease and has better mobility.

Ashe can do some work close range too.

She might replace Hanzo instead of Widow in double sniper comp.

FUNKNOWN iXi · Nov 23, 2018

So I've been thinking about these buffs for Orisa and Hammond seeing as how they're criminally underplayed, sometimes even considered throw picks:

Orisa

Fortify now overloads gun, increasing fire rate by 100% at the cost of accuracy (doubling her reticle size) -- This would increase her viability up close if a Rein, Reaper, Brig, Tracer, etc. get in close and Orisa needs to back off.

Hammond

Piledriver can now be performed at any height. If done from the ground, Hammond jumps up then slams back down. -- This would improve Hammond's accessibility considering he's a rather high skill curve character. It also provides him with another option if caught in the middle of a fight.

These could be simple improvements providing them with more versatility without breaking what they are or making them overpowered.

Noppie · Nov 23, 2018

FUNKNOWN iXi said:
So I've been thinking about these buffs for Orisa and Hammond seeing as how they're criminally underplayed, sometimes even considered throw picks:

Orisa

Fortify now overloads gun, increasing fire rate by 100% at the cost of accuracy (doubling her reticle size) -- This would increase her viability up close if a Rein, Reaper, Brig, Tracer, etc. get in close and Orisa needs to back off.

Hammond

Piledriver can now be performed at any height. If done from the ground, Hammond jumps up then slams back down. -- This would improve Hammond's accessibility considering he's a rather high skill curve character. It also provides him with another option if caught in the middle of a fight.

These could be simple improvements providing them with more versatility without breaking what they are or making them overpowered.

Sounds like unneeded changes to me. Do they really need buffs (which I'm not sure these two would be)?

Old Man Spike · Nov 23, 2018

Hammond just needs to be able to actually finish off the things he's shooting at, whether that means more ammo between reloads or more damage per shot.

Bunga · Nov 23, 2018

Just popping in to say that I picked Overwatch up off the Blizzard store on the Black Friday 65% off sale. Fantastic fun so far. I'm looking forward to trying out competitive when I get to Rank 25 - can you get away with playing Competitive if you don't have a microphone or is it really a pre-requisite?

Noppie · Nov 23, 2018

Bunga said:
Just popping in to say that I picked Overwatch up off the Blizzard store on the Black Friday 65% off sale. Fantastic fun so far. I'm looking forward to trying out competitive when I get to Rank 25 - can you get away with playing Competitive if you don't have a microphone or is it really a pre-requisite?

You can, you'd find that most people don't use one especially in lower rankings. It definitely helps to have one and some classes need it more than others for callouts and combining ultimate abilities, but you can climb just fine without.

kurahador · Nov 23, 2018

I think Hammond used to be able to piledrive at lower height. Seen old videos of Hammond where you can roll-jump into a wall and piledrive.
Can't do that now.

FUNKNOWN iXi · Nov 23, 2018

Noppie said:
Sounds like unneeded changes to me. Do they really need buffs (which I'm not sure these two would be)?

I do think they need some kind of buffs, yeah. Plus, your uncertainty of these being actual buffs can be a good thing; they'd be small touches to their kit which would be a net benefit imo without making them overpowered.

predrag · Nov 23, 2018

What's up with penalty system? We played attack on Horizon and going toward point B my net goes down. After 3 minutes I managed to rejoin match, now we at defence, ending up winning, enemy team couldn't even take point A. And I lost SR, plus banned for 2 hours...? Like wtf Blizzard? They should take these kind of things in account.

Noppie · Nov 23, 2018

predrag said:
What's up with penalty system? We played attack on Horizon and going toward point B my net goes down. After 3 minutes I managed to rejoin match, now we at defence, ending up winning, enemy team couldn't even take point A. And I lost SR, plus banned for 2 hours...? Like wtf Blizzard? They should take these kind of things in account.

You disconnected for a period of time and gave the disadvantage to your team. Of course you should be penalized. It's an automated system and it's unreasonable to expect Blizzard to make exceptions for all kinds of things.

predrag · Nov 23, 2018

Noppie said:
You disconnected for a period of time and gave the disadvantage to your team. Of course you should be penalized. It's an automated system and it's unreasonable to expect Blizzard to make exceptions for all kinds of things.

I get that, but I was back, and we won at the end. At least not make same SR punishment and ban as when people rage quit or leave match.

matmanx1 · Nov 23, 2018

I've suggested that Orisa get a movement speed bonus during harden and I think she needs the mobility more than she needs increased damage output. She already kind of shreds at close range as long as you can hit the head shots. Her slow movement and complete lack of any mobility options is her achilles heel.

Hammond could probably use less spread on his guns or a damage fall-off that is a little further out. You don't want his machine guns to be snipers but you do want them to at least be able to threaten someone at medium range.

FUNKNOWN iXi · Nov 23, 2018

matmanx1 said:
I've suggested that Orisa get a movement speed bonus during harden and I think she needs the mobility more than she needs increased damage output. She already kind of shreds at close range as long as you can hit the head shots. Her slow movement and complete lack of any mobility options is her achilles heel.

Hammond could probably use less spread on his guns or a damage fall-off that is a little further out. You don't want his machine guns to be snipers but you do want them to at least be able to threaten someone at medium range.

I've thought about a movement speed increase during Orisa's Fortify, but it might be too strong of an ability then. I'd be down for that too, alternatively Fortify could let her walk at normal speed while shooting.

Old Man Spike · Nov 23, 2018

Since Orisa is kind of built like a centaur, why not let her gallop after a few seconds of not firing? Firing, she moves at reduced speed right? So how about when she's not she starts at regular speed then she moves at increased speed, only to slow down again as soon as she shoots.

Paltheos · Nov 23, 2018

Old Man Spike said:
Hammond just needs to be able to actually finish off the things he's shooting at, whether that means more ammo between reloads or more damage per shot.

He can and he does. I watched Seagull play the little guy earlier and he can very much finish off his targets. Hammond's a very skill intensive hero. If you're not finishing off your targets, you either suck at aiming or are diving at the wrong time/on the wrong targets.

No feelings on an Orisa buff either. She seems fine. Niche hero for niche situations. That's ok!

Nocturnowl · Nov 23, 2018

Hammond would benefit from simply reducing his reload time alone, it's like antiquated Battlefield 1 weaponry reload times with Hamster boy.

EssBeeVee · Nov 23, 2018

he needs like 75 ammo

Buttchin-n-Bones · Nov 23, 2018

I always liked the suggestion that Orisa's bongo gives her whole team fortify. But especially now that everyone's extremely against CC, this seems like an even better idea.

Rag · Nov 23, 2018

Can't find a match right now on PS4. It just says 'failed to connect to server'. Is anyone else having trouble?

Veelk · Nov 23, 2018

Buttchin-n-Bones said:
I always liked the suggestion that Orisa's bongo gives her whole team fortify. But especially now that everyone's extremely against CC, this seems like an even better idea.

Would be alright except for Genji.

You nano a genji and then give him fortify, there is nothing in the game that can stop him.

Buttchin-n-Bones · Nov 23, 2018

Veelk said:
Would be alright except for Genji.

You nano a genji and then give him fortify, there is nothing in the game that can stop him.

I mean, three invested ultimates should probably be rewarded. Also that would really only be viable on defence cause who the fuck lets a giant robotic cow stroll straight up into the middle of their team

Also I think it's possible to code damage resistance to not stack or even have a multiplicative effect

Also maybe I'd like to see Genii back in the meta

Old Man Spike · Nov 23, 2018

Paltheos said:
He can and he does. I watched Seagull play the little guy earlier and he can very much finish off his targets. Hammond's a very skill intensive hero. If you're not finishing off your targets, you either suck at aiming or are diving at the wrong time/on the wrong targets.

You're not helping the case that Hammond doesn't need a buff with the ol' "well I watched a GM, tournament -level player use him successfully, so it must be true."

SoulShimmer · Nov 23, 2018

Are there any good guides for Ana positioning? I'm pretty comfortable with her mechanics & have decent aim. Got to 3850 SR using Zen, but now I want to get good with a main healer

Plywood · Nov 23, 2018

Match quality would skyrocket if they would just get rid of 2CP.

icecold1983 · Nov 23, 2018

the idea that heroes should be balanced around completely incompetent players is exactly what resulted in the brig situation. hammond absolutely doesnt need a buff. ffs he has almost 1000 life when it matters, ccs people in a highly repeatable straight vertical pattern and the fastest movement in the game. if you cant manage to kill shit under those conditions then you are the problem

Paltheos · Nov 23, 2018

Old Man Spike said:
You're not helping the case that Hammond doesn't need a buff with the ol' "well I watched a GM, tournament -level player use him successfully, so it must be true."

?
The point is that he's already a strong hero. If you outright buff him that leaves him a bigger terror at higher elo. I haven't seen anything to convince me he needs anything more.

matmanx1 · Nov 23, 2018

Plywood said:
Match quality would skyrocket if they would just get rid of 2CP.

I second that. Escort, Hybrid and Control are all so much better. Actually, Horizon Lunar Colony is ok for a 2CP and I have a weird sort of fondness for Hanamura but Temple of Anubis could fall off of the planet and I wouldn't shed a tear.

Deleted member 15440 · Nov 23, 2018

yeah hammond seems perfectly balanced to me and orisa's strong on a few points in a few maps like 3/4 of the hero pool

e. what orisa needs is more main tanks that fit in some places where rein/winston are good right now so overall the pick rates will be more balanced

FUNKNOWN iXi · Nov 23, 2018

I don't know what world people are living in when they say Hammond is a "strong" hero. He's good in the right hands, yeah, but strong? High level players can't choose him in serious comps, and his only real strength seems like his stalling potential. A small tweak like being able to Piledrive while grounded wouldn't be too significant but could at least provide him with one more option.

And same with Orisa. As people improve, there's less of a reason to use her except in niche situations. If you think that's fine then no problem, but I think she could be more versatile with a couple additions to her kit.

In time, I wouldn't be surprised to see some changes considering how dominant the four other tanks are compared to these two.

ctcatsby · Nov 23, 2018

My wife asked for my Christmas list, and I gave her a rumbled Burger King receipt with "1HL IN MYSTERY HEROES" written in my blood.

Fingers crossed for a good Christmas morning!

Danj · Nov 24, 2018

Today I learned there's such a thing as an inexpensive collapsible greenscreen that attaches to the back of a chair.

I got a new webcam in the Black Friday sales but ChromaCam is still rubbish with it (which is weird, because it's a Logitech one and I thought ChromaCam was designed to work best with those? oh well).

WebAround also have an official UK distributor LIME Pro Gaming who also have a sale on at the moment. 30 quid and free delivery? It's about the same as what a pro ChromaCam license would've cost anyway and it'll look a lot better.

So yeah, how does this relate to Overwatch? I'm still rubbish at it, but now I'll be able to go on camera while being rubbish at it, I guess?

predrag · Nov 24, 2018

Lot of Bastions recently in comp. And usually they come with Sym/Torb and mandatory Widow/Soldier. I will never leave gold lol.

I don't mind if people choose heroes they prefer, the thing is that they are super bad with them. I can't remember last time I had good Widow in my team.

dralla · Nov 24, 2018

Damn, no POTG for a double environmental + regular elim. Blizz pls

I think I may make a boop montage with Hammon at this point. I've got so many good ones.

EssBeeVee · Nov 24, 2018

tfw you realized your team doesn't know how to hitscan. RIP

matmanx1 · Nov 24, 2018

dralla said:
Damn, no POTG for a double environmental + regular elim. Blizz pls

I think I may make a boop montage with Hammon at this point. I've got so many good ones.

Hammond is so much fun but I've barely played him so I am quite terrible. Every once in a while on Mystery Heroes I will get him and fat finger myself into doing something fantastic but that's rare. Nice play there on your clip!

EssBeeVee · Nov 24, 2018

TFW holiday is still going and people just picking whatever they want

also TFW when youre solo healing ana on defense after one of the support goes torb after attack. RIP. glad no one jumped me as i was hiding in the corner. good that the team understand that enough to not play behind walls. but man. its harder to hit thing on hanamura 2nd point .that top left has that dumb rail that has ass invisible wall that makes me miss. i have to shoot her than i want.

Gutsfree · Nov 24, 2018

I just had someone threaten to hack my router for telling them to STFU after they just kept yelling at this 12 year old for not playing the main tank that he wanted. I got an endorsement rank up after the game, the people have sided with me on this i guess.

EssBeeVee · Nov 24, 2018

Gutsfree said:
I just had someone threaten to hack my router for telling them to STFU after they just kept yelling at this 12 year old for not playing the main tank that he wanted. I got an endorsement rank up after the game, the people have sided with me on this i guess.

blizz already got you covered. their server seem to be unreliable right now lol

Gutsfree · Nov 24, 2018

He must've hacked too hard and hit everyone by accident.

daydream · Nov 24, 2018

there's this ashe spray event going on where you have to watch 2h of twitch streams similar to the dva event a while back but i cant seem to find the sprays in the menu even (and i have watched more than 2h since the event started)

edit: aaaand i just got'em

ReginaldXIV · Nov 24, 2018

FUNKNOWN iXi said:
So I've been thinking about these buffs for Orisa and Hammond seeing as how they're criminally underplayed, sometimes even considered throw picks:

Orisa

Fortify now overloads gun, increasing fire rate by 100% at the cost of accuracy (doubling her reticle size) -- This would increase her viability up close if a Rein, Reaper, Brig, Tracer, etc. get in close and Orisa needs to back off.

Hammond

Piledriver can now be performed at any height. If done from the ground, Hammond jumps up then slams back down. -- This would improve Hammond's accessibility considering he's a rather high skill curve character. It also provides him with another option if caught in the middle of a fight.

These could be simple improvements providing them with more versatility without breaking what they are or making them overpowered.

Orisa doesn't need a buff, she fills a hard defense role, and she fills it extremely well. Increasing her damage up close when she already does a ton of damage up close (assuming the player can aim) seems extra OP when she's already doing fine. She's also hard to kill if the healers are on her.

As for Hammond, he's already annoying even in the hands of low-end players, letting him ground slam constantly defeats his purpose and removes his disadvantage. I will say that they should let you hold momentum when hitting walls like a pinball. I think it would open up more opportunities and tricky plays, and lessen the occasional annoyance of grazing an edge and losing all momentum suddenly.

EssBeeVee · Nov 24, 2018

tfw you get doo doo dps

also

mfw i have to heal zen as ana before he dies because they are focusing him.

i think everytime they die ill just say i was reloading lmao

Zing · Nov 24, 2018

Any idea how to download the free trial? It isn't on the Canadian PS4 store. I am following the instructions on Blizzard's website. It says to search for Overwatch and select the free trial. All I see is the legendary edition which requires purchase, and a dozen micro transactions.

Edit: I found it in my library already. It was listed under "Overwatch origins edition", which is apparently no longer listed on PSN. I guess they are using the same client from 2016.

Solidsnakejej · Nov 24, 2018

Zing said:
Any idea how to download the free trial? It isn't on the Canadian PS4 store. I am following the instructions on Blizzard's website. It says to search for Overwatch and select the free trial. All I see is the legendary edition which requires purchase, and a dozen micro transactions.

On the US site its under the add to cart on the game's page, says try free demo
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0002-CUSA01842_00-OWLEGENDARY00000

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