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P.T's hidden meaning by theGrateDebate
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I usually ignore these Kojima theory videos since they tend to be made just for clicks and usually don't contain any plausible theories, but holy shit my mind is BLOWN.
That was fantastic
That was fantastic
Yeah, I've had my suspicions about some of the dialogue in P.T. and the Deja Vu mission relating to Kojima's situation at Konami, a fair amount of people have put that forward before. Never seen the dates connected to it though, very interesting stuff that. I definitely think there's something to it.
This was actually hella good!I think it deserved it's own thread. It's an amazing video describing what P.T is and what Kojima intent was by releasing it.
P.T.'s Hidden Meaning
♪ Is this heaven, or is this hell? ♪♪ Through a silver screen, you're sayin' what you mean ♪♪ But I can't tell ♪Sources:https://pastebin.com/xHUB0GwqMusic:Ch...youtu.be
It's made by theGrateDebate a YouTube channel that definitively deserves more subs :)
I understand we're all shocked at this fantastic video, and awed at Kojima, but let's not forget who made this video too!
Plus, this guy clearly labeled ALL his sources, and edited in number links to them in the video, please respect that amazing effort!
The Grate Debate has other fantastic videos covering Silent Hill 2, as well as interviews from people involved with them such as Guy Cihi and Tom Hulette!
Bob, the guy who did this one, is fantastic and you should check out Bobvids for more great content like this!
Plus, this guy clearly labeled ALL his sources, and edited in number links to them in the video, please respect that amazing effort!
The Grate Debate has other fantastic videos covering Silent Hill 2, as well as interviews from people involved with them such as Guy Cihi and Tom Hulette!
Bob, the guy who did this one, is fantastic and you should check out Bobvids for more great content like this!
Silent Hills need to be done. Sony shoudl buy the series and give it to Kojima Productions while it's in its lowest value right now.
The amount of research that whent into this video is what makes this theory much more plausible than loony stuff ppl pull out of they imagination. And while i dont believe this theory is 100% acurate, like the flashligh colors representing the colors of the old Playstation logo, the rest of it make perfect sense.
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That line is in the video and im watching on mobile, still started to feel tense waiting for Lisa to show up.
Dunno if I buy everything regarding the video (I mean, the flashlight colours could also line up to Xbox button colours) but I like the theory and liked the amount of sources the guy had to back his theory up. I definitely believe the stuff regarding the rise of mobile money and Konami wanting to get rid of Kojima for spending too much compared to how much he brings in and fully believe Kojima could be the type to reference in game his struggles during his last years at the company.
If true though I think this elevates PT even higher and I'm glad I still have it on my PS4 and will never get rid of it.
If true though I think this elevates PT even higher and I'm glad I still have it on my PS4 and will never get rid of it.
Honestly, this is the most "investigative" journalism i've seen in gaming besides Jason Schreier's work. And its investigating a theory. It's brilliant.
Watching Tom Hulette video now.
This lines up even better than the head transplant doctor thing so this can't be anything other than facts. It actually makes too much sense.
Yeah, I watched and thought that ok now PT actually doesn't seem that scary. Then that line was delivered and I had to turn the lights on and shift position so I only had a corner behind me lol
Watched the whole video. Laying the events out, you have to feel for Kojima. Konami really fucked him over. I'm just happy that he's creatively free to work on whatever he wants now. The man is too good to be stuck on 1 franchise for the rest of his life.
Great video but I'm not sure I buy all of it. i think the research into how the dates line up is fascinating and fairly airtight, and I agree the general idea of the game is about Kojima's frustration with Konami (the fact death stranding is using a lot of the same imagery i think helps confirm this broadly) but some of the details i'm not so sure about. after the bombshell reveal of the "10 months" thing i was on board for more big revelations but it just sorta fizzled? lisa representing the fox engine is a weird fit if the dad is supposed to be kozuki. the red blue and green lights representing the playstation logo is pretty thin, I think.
but mostly i'm just sort of scratching my head at the "it was his way of getting around an NDA" theory. for starters, the video states he was made to sign a two month non-compete, which is different from an NDA. if, as this video proposes, he was already in talks with del toro, winding-refn, sony, etc etc about his new studio he would be breaching both those theoretical documents anyway. even with konami breathing down his neck for his final two years at the company, kojima wouldn't need to make a super scary cryptic puzzle to invite kojipro's best and brightest to his new studio.
it seems far more likely to me that kojima was simply checked out and wanted to give konami a big middle finger on his way out the door, which I know is the main theory about this game already anyway. the clues about dates and konami links are for fans, not potential hires. this theory still covers basically all of the mysteries brought up here: the petty scrubbing of news items from kojima's term at the company, the removal of the game from the store, the broken family symbolism in the game itself, etc etc.
(i can't really fit this anywhere in my above crits but also i think the interpretation of the talking organ in the bag being about his position in the company is a bit tenuous. i've always felt that was describing the experience of playing video games)
anyway still an extremely good watch for the piecing together of the timeline alone, and the theory is super interesting! i'll be percolating on it for a while, these are just my knee-jerk thoughts
but mostly i'm just sort of scratching my head at the "it was his way of getting around an NDA" theory. for starters, the video states he was made to sign a two month non-compete, which is different from an NDA. if, as this video proposes, he was already in talks with del toro, winding-refn, sony, etc etc about his new studio he would be breaching both those theoretical documents anyway. even with konami breathing down his neck for his final two years at the company, kojima wouldn't need to make a super scary cryptic puzzle to invite kojipro's best and brightest to his new studio.
it seems far more likely to me that kojima was simply checked out and wanted to give konami a big middle finger on his way out the door, which I know is the main theory about this game already anyway. the clues about dates and konami links are for fans, not potential hires. this theory still covers basically all of the mysteries brought up here: the petty scrubbing of news items from kojima's term at the company, the removal of the game from the store, the broken family symbolism in the game itself, etc etc.
(i can't really fit this anywhere in my above crits but also i think the interpretation of the talking organ in the bag being about his position in the company is a bit tenuous. i've always felt that was describing the experience of playing video games)
anyway still an extremely good watch for the piecing together of the timeline alone, and the theory is super interesting! i'll be percolating on it for a while, these are just my knee-jerk thoughts
So, was there ever footage of the actual Silent Hills shown? Or were there even drips of an idea of what the plot was supposed to be?
Also, I wonder how much of (if any) Death Stranding will be an evolution of what the concept for Silent Hills was going to be.
Also, I wonder how much of (if any) Death Stranding will be an evolution of what the concept for Silent Hills was going to be.
Try with lots of money and fame.
I also felt this was the most subjective interpretation of it, and I also felt a little questioning when I watched this.
To me it was clear since a while ago that P.T. was indeed indicative that Kojima was proclaiming his grievances with his parent company through his art, and seeing the closure of KojiPro coming a year ahead given the corporate hierarchy shaking things up. What I disagreed with was indeed the role he assigned these metaphors in the video. To me Lisa and the Baby is much simpler: A man cut out the unborn fetus from the womb of his wife. That dad is clearly Konami, alright, but the woman is not specifically the fox engine and the reference to the skirt is circumstantial to fit the in-world horror story being told: The woman is simply the game company and the fetus is the games they create which are ripped out from underneath them by the now aggressive father who has decided to "one day go and kill us all".
The reference to other fathers doing similar things on the radio could just be more of the "infinite hallway" thing, as is the "seperate reality" which really is just Kojima being meta about what a game is, but if I were to stretch it I would say the multiple incidents of family-killing fathers could be ideated from Konami preparing closure or restructuring of many of their game studios, moving them over to the mobile-focused, pachinka-focused business.
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There was a 2014 TGS trailer for Silent Hills, I believe.
That was pretty mindblowing. I thought I was going into another artsy interpretation, and not actually an investigative journalism thing. Daaamn. Pretty cool channel.
A guy repeating the same exact things over and over for 13 min. How if silent hills was not an continuation of the "original" games he don't want it?
What the f does that have to do with this video?
Your video is 13 min of someone complaining about not getting silent hills 5 and nothing to do with the actual content of PT while the other explains how PT was Kojima explaining to the world about his current situation and PT his way to break the NDA he was under and what he was going and been through.
If you believe the op video PT was not a teaser for silent hill since Kojima already knew they were going to kill it and that is why it is and play like it does.
It really does kind of increase the value of the game itself.
It's not my video tho...
But no, it's a pretty good argument of why PT isn't exactly good either as a product or as a teaser and I agree with it.
I'm normally very skeptical of Kojima theories, but this one is all very down to earth, well researched, and actually makes perfect sense. Fantastic video, subbed to his channel now.
As an aside, corporate culture in Japan is toxic as all hell and this video only reinforced the image I got of it for the short time I was working in Japan.
As an aside, corporate culture in Japan is toxic as all hell and this video only reinforced the image I got of it for the short time I was working in Japan.
Great and really mind blowing video.
If its true then there is no redemption for Konami as long as these people are there and that will not change any time soon since its a family business ruled with a iron fist.
Somehow i like Konami now even less.
If its true then there is no redemption for Konami as long as these people are there and that will not change any time soon since its a family business ruled with a iron fist.
Somehow i like Konami now even less.
I would say the 4 colours representing Playstation might be a bit much, but for the most part the theory suggested from the video doesn't seem that outlandish and the timeline does add up.
PT isn't a teaser for Silent Hills, it's Kojima's last act of defiance against Konami before getting the boot.
Konami eventually trying to erase PT was the final piece of the 'art'.
PT isn't a teaser for Silent Hills, it's Kojima's last act of defiance against Konami before getting the boot.
Konami eventually trying to erase PT was the final piece of the 'art'.
Headcanon accepted. I'm fully convinced now that the general gist of this theory is correct, even though some of the specific details are a bit iffy. (The curtains were red, yellow, green, and blue!)
Where did I say it was your video?
And if you just want the same game for the fifth time and characters instead of a new interpretation from a new director (similar to re7) that is fine but that is also the only real argument that video talks about and nothing of the content in PT or the MEANING of it which is what the OP video is about so the two videos are not even discussing the same ting.
Is there any way to get P.T. on my ps4? I'm so sad that I didn't add it to my acc. when it released. :(
Still watching through the video and will get around to finishing it when I get home where I have better internet, but I just want to say that I'm actually convinced Kojima wouldn't be able to make a good Silent Hill game. A good game, definitely, but Kojima really likes fucking with the audiences in flamboyant and melodramatic ways (based on what I played of his games), while the original Silent Hill games were more subtle about how they fucked with audiences. Still, it would have been a cool take to see, especially with the talent onboard.
From what I've seen it's certainly possible but it appears to involve hacking/jailbreaking the PS4 (which could result in a ban), messing around with software piracy sites and the like. Try googling for more information but it doesn't seem worth the risk or the hassle.
There was also a PC remake called 'Unreal P.T." which was released earlier this year. It's not quite as good as the original but it is about 95% faithful. However, that was also taken down (cease and desist from Konami I think?).
Absolutely. I work in journalism and I'm in awe over the research that went into this video. If games journalists want to be taken seriously, more of them should make the effort and take in-depth looks at the creators, publishers and creative workspace that lead up to a videogame. This is a prime example of how to critique media work.
Games journalists still have to learn a lot and should look to book and film critics and borrow some of their methods. Games journalism should not be about reviewing a game and giving it a 8.75 out of 10. It should be about reviewing a cultural product that entails so much more than the output on your screen.
This would particularly be important in the face of games such as The Last Night or Ion Fury. It should be gaming media's duty to shine light on the problems and complexions behind the curtain.