it sure is in France(3/5) and in a lesser extent Germany(7/20).
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PAL Charts - Week 3, 2018
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Pretty much.
Really looking forward to DBZ and MHW performance.
In a couple of days MHW will launch. I think it's a good idea to look at the performance of MH4U to get a sense of the sales context of the 3DS MH releases in the West:
In general, MH4U is the only MH game to breach the 1 million mark in the West, totalling 4 million units sold (shipped, but that was 2 years ago) with Japan + West combined. It launched February 13th 2015 in Europe and NA.
- Germany: The game failed to hit the 100k milestone within its first 12 months on the market.
- UK: The debuted at no. 4 in the combined format ranking. The game's sales should be somewhere between 16,733 and 23,763 units (thanks BrunoMB!), representing a 95% boost compared to MH3U. The second week saw a drop to no. 12, with a 68% drop. The third week saw a drop to no. 20.
- France: MH4U debuted at no. 2 in France, behind TLOZ Majora's Mask 3DS and ahead of Evolve PS4. The following week saw it hold on to the no. 2 spot, behind The Order 1886. The third week saw it drop out of the top 5 as DB Xenoverse and Dying Light launched.
- Spain: In Spain, MH4U was the second best selling game of February, behind TLOZ Majora's Mask 3DS and ahead of The Order 1886. In March, it dropped out of the top 10.
- US: In February, the game sold over 290k units physical and digital per Nintendo PR, and landed at no. 10 in the monthly ranking for February. In March, it dropped out of the top 10.
That all I can find on MH4U, hopefully it paints a bit of a picture of MH4U's performance in the West.
Edit: One more thing: The following leak from NPD insider Creamsugar puts MH4U at 278k after March, which is for the unbundled physical-only sales.
In general, MH4U is the only MH game to breach the 1 million mark in the West, totalling 4 million units sold (shipped, but that was 2 years ago) with Japan + West combined. It launched February 13th 2015 in Europe and NA.
- Germany: The game failed to hit the 100k milestone within its first 12 months on the market.
- UK: The debuted at no. 4 in the combined format ranking. The game's sales should be somewhere between 16,733 and 23,763 units (thanks BrunoMB!), representing a 95% boost compared to MH3U. The second week saw a drop to no. 12, with a 68% drop. The third week saw a drop to no. 20.
- France: MH4U debuted at no. 2 in France, behind TLOZ Majora's Mask 3DS and ahead of Evolve PS4. The following week saw it hold on to the no. 2 spot, behind The Order 1886. The third week saw it drop out of the top 5 as DB Xenoverse and Dying Light launched.
- Spain: In Spain, MH4U was the second best selling game of February, behind TLOZ Majora's Mask 3DS and ahead of The Order 1886. In March, it dropped out of the top 10.
- US: In February, the game sold over 290k units physical and digital per Nintendo PR, and landed at no. 10 in the monthly ranking for February. In March, it dropped out of the top 10.
That all I can find on MH4U, hopefully it paints a bit of a picture of MH4U's performance in the West.
Edit: One more thing: The following leak from NPD insider Creamsugar puts MH4U at 278k after March, which is for the unbundled physical-only sales.
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I got a response from GfK Entertainment who is compiling both BIU Sales Awards and the Yearly chart in cooperation with BIU:
Rough translation, sorry in advance and feel free to correct it:
I got a response from GfK Entertainment who is compiling both BIU Sales Awards and the Yearly chart in cooperation with BIU:
Rough translation, sorry in advance and feel free to correct it:
Based on SKU vs Top Titel makes also sense. That would be in addition to digital / retail i assume.
Digital versions are also often different SKUs.
Many games today have only 1 retail Version, but 3 different digital version.
Thanks for that.
Thanks for the work getting the explanation.
So overall (all SKUs) GTS sold more but all single GTS SKUs sold less than the best selling single U:LL SKU.
They could use the same metric for all ranking or add an * telling the yearly ranking is for single SKU.
Yep exactly, GTS sold more than Uncharted but since Uncharted only had one SKU and that outsold the main SKU of GTS it's above GTS in the yearly chart. I agree it's weird they use different metrics for BIU Sales Awards and yearly charts.
Maybe it will be a hard week for MHU because Friday relese. Will perform well in next few weeks surely. I expecting that it will reach Top 5 combined in launch week. Curious too see how Xbone version will perform. IMO, won't reach Top 10 individual.
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I think MHW will be no.1 and pip DBZ overall but the PS4 version of DB will outsell MHW on Xbox. Can't see the latter doing very well and it'll disappear down the charts very quickly.
Hasn't DBZ been one of the best selling fighting games this gen. I would be surprised if it did not get the top spot.
I think it'll be close between the 2 titles. Both will do rather well.
In France, DBFZ will be in the n°1 spot. There is no doubt about that, there is a lot of excitement surounding the game. MHW will do well but on a smaller scale.
As a whole in the gaming community, I think they are doing exceptionally well, and when I meant domination I meant , a lot better than say 2 years ago.
XB1 version of MHW is going to tank, so that seems clear to me.
Previous MH game reached number 4 with 16.7k to 23.7k. I think MHW will do better than that, presumably around 40k, so it should easily take the #1 spot imo.
In France, Italy and Spain, DBFZ might outsell Monster Hunter easily in launch week, especially in Italy and France.
Not sure about UK tho.
Not sure about UK tho.
MHW will surely debut better than 3DS entries, there's not doubt about that. Much bigger installed base and huge marketing campaign by Capcom.
Even if it weren't, it would still debut better, PS4 has more frontloaded sales in general.
Yeah, I'm expecting it to be bigger. Not sure how much bigger, though: as I noted in my post, M4HU sold 95% better than MH3U, finally breaking the 1 million. The series didn't sell well at first, so there might have been some fanbase building there. The question now is how much of that existing fanbase crosses over to PS4 from the 3DS, and whether the game will attract a significant share of the existing PS4 base in addition to that. The marketing will help a lot, but even then we need to see how attractive MH's proposition turns out to be. It'll be an interesting thing to watch in the coming weeks for sure.
In terms of debut, it will be bigger. Capcom is treating MHW as a mainline RE or SF entry. Previous MH entries were advertised by Nintendo which gave the right amount of time but not too much attention. For example, MH4U shared promotion with Majora's Mask.
Also, it will sell more in the long-run too. I'm expecing 2m in the West at least.
I think it will need to sell more than 2 million in the whole of the west. Japan will be 2.5M tops (probably more like 2M), so that would be a disappointing result, and furthermore mean that the expansion of a userbase has come at the loss of existing userbase such that no net gain has been made, while marketing and dev budget have increased (although Sony might be shouldering a lot of the marketing).
Way to hedge your bets :)
I think MH will outsell DBFZ in the UK, MH is getting some descent ads in the UK, also MH has been up on the Amazon pre order list.
It would be dissapointing to sell 4.5 million copies of MH? That's a reach. The price of the game will be higher and PS/X1 users buy tons of DLC. Plus it's selling to an all new userbase isn't that the excuse given whenever a switch game doesn't sell as well as expected. Capcom would be rejoicing to sell 4.5 million copies on their first go at an next gen MH. When was the last time MH even sold 4.5 million copies? PSP?
For Monster Hunter, i believe ~2 million in Japan and ~2 million outside of that looks reasonable, on console. Then ~1 million on PC for a total of 5 million.
I 100% agree with you. Dragon Ball is very big in those countries, and every games perform amazing. I think Monster Hunter will win in UK, while Germany is gonna be close.
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I 100% agree with you. Dragon Ball is very big in those countries, and every games perform amazing. I think Monster Hunter will win in UK, while Germany is gonna be close.
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Do you have numbers or evidence to suggest its much bigger than previous MHs? 3DS MHs got TV ads as well.
Receipts?
Haven't seen it advertised much in the UK though it is top of amazon and has been this last week (or top 3 at least).
Yearly/monthly ranking for MHW (without non-game items in brackets):
- UK: 1 (1)
- France: 5 (4)
- Germany: 4 (1)
Neither of that is domination. Need top 20 in FR and individuals in Germany, but its safe to assume PS4 has easily more than 7 SKUs in the top 20.
For once, just look at the coverage by gaming press. Both EDGE and Game Informer featured MHW as their cover story. IIRC, this never happened for a 3DS MH game. This goes along with the coverage by digital outlets. For example, IGN has been releasing videos about MHW (betas, gameplay, etc.) almost on a daily basis on its Facebook channel. This didn't happen for 3DS entries.
Further, MHW got a prominent space in basically all relevant gaming events of the past year. It featured Sony E3 conference, Sony TGS conference, it got a nice exposition during Gamescom. Previous entries never got such coverage from Nintendo outside Directs and Treehouse Live.
Also, around E3 and around TGS release date reveal, Capcom run YT campaign (the reason why some trailets got so many views, as shown by the view/like ratio).
As for TV ads, I don't know how much previous entries were advertised. Surely, I personally never seen such a big promotion in stores for a MH game in Europe.
Capcom is treating MHW as a top product, similarly to a mainline RE or SF, which is also shown by the simultaneous worldwide release and the 3 betas.
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Ok we cant say it is dominating based on the data provided but we can assume things without data now?
Yes, that prediction was laughably and incredibly optimistic at the time, and is even more so now that we have data this close to release. MHW will not sell 10 million.
Well they haven't advertised on Xbox at all, the beta could of got people interested but they skipped that too. Its their fault if it bombs on Xbox.
Agreed. They probably have a marketing deal with Sony that could explain the total neglect of the XB1 version.
Let's be honest, it would've bombed on Xbox no matter what they did.
How much of that gaming media coverage is actually advertisement though?
Not at all. Its well known in the data that PS4 dominates multiplat releases in Germany.
Some of you are talking as if MHW was the first game to have a marketing deal to promote said version. It happens a dozen times every year and games don't 'bomb' on the other platform because of that. The performance of MHW on the XB1 is not going to drastically change if there was some youtube footage of the game on that system
MH is pretty much a new IP for the majority of gamers so a marketing deal can seriously screw with sales on the other platforms
Good!
Anyway...
Honestly why is the UK still considered the main market in EU? Germany or france would make more sense imo. Is it due to the lagging behind sales numbers?
We would absolutely be talking about France and Germany if they provided regular and expanded numbers (France is a week late and provides only a top 5, Germany only a late monthly chart with a top 20). The minute they would provide those numbers we would include them in the full analysis. As it stands, though, we simply can't, so there's no point in trying to give it equal attention.
We probably should be more aware of the fact that the UK doesn't speak for the whole of Europe, at least not fully, which is something that sometimes is lacking.
Thanks! Yeah that makes a lot of sense indeed and yup the last part is quite true some people base the eu market on a single country, while there are multiple big markets.
Because its the second biggest market in Europe, biggest console market in Europe.
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