Wait, so Zelda and Skyrim are "hardcore-oriented", but a fighting game, a third-person shooter and a turn-based strategy game aren't?
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PAL Charts - Week 45, 2017
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It looks like it is still undershipped after so long, since they are not even able to fulfill demand back at home...
But we are just guessing. No point anyway.
Dragonball is popular in Asia, however buying a system for Dragon ball is not. Dragonball Dokkan Battle can help with the itch.
Specific franchises like MH do good numbers overseas as people will buy systems for that game. But not very game is like that.
KT has historical reasons (generations are raised on RotK and Uncharted Waters in Sinosphere) and franchise reasons (it's RotK) to sell well to parts of Asia, particular in parts of the Sinosphere.
As for Sega, because the mix amusement, mobile and game sales, it is not easy to see how packaged games do in Asia. The best result 200k Yakuza Kiwami, is due to bundling....Sega does alot of amusement machine businesses in overseas arcades.
Doom has some currency in the more developed Asian nations like Singapore, parts of ME, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Korea. Since their development trajectory and development timing means they are exposed to this franchise. We can expect similar reception there.
For these markets, much like SF or Xenoverse it does 30-50k. Nintendo has never been very strong in these regions. So it is almost the top end of possible performance.
As for rest of Asia, Doom has no currency, unlike Dragonball. However, they also don't generally buy consoles either.
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Without question. The Switch and its games (and probably Pokemon) are going to be the hottest items this holiday.
Or maybe they will learn that listening to the fanbase actually works....
I'd have been surprised if Doom did sell well on the Switch. A full price? late port never goes down well.
Very good launch for the One X. Didn't think it could do those numbers. Trouble is (as it was always) if they can sustain a healthy momentum. It might do decent in the run up to Xmas but I think the expectations are (once the early adopters and Xmas potential dries up) it'll nose dive in January onwards. Especially when the exclusive line up is still very barren. Beyond Forza though (and again this falls back on lack on exclusives) there didn't seem much uptick in software for such a decent launch. Therefore it's just selling to an existing crowd who are already attached to the eco system than expanding in to PS users.
Very good launch for the One X. Didn't think it could do those numbers. Trouble is (as it was always) if they can sustain a healthy momentum. It might do decent in the run up to Xmas but I think the expectations are (once the early adopters and Xmas potential dries up) it'll nose dive in January onwards. Especially when the exclusive line up is still very barren. Beyond Forza though (and again this falls back on lack on exclusives) there didn't seem much uptick in software for such a decent launch. Therefore it's just selling to an existing crowd who are already attached to the eco system than expanding in to PS users.
Doubtful. Given it's typically PS4 and Xbox One games consistently at the top of the charts, I'm unsure how you reach that conclusion. Also the Switch is still much too expensive (compared to the other consoles) for the UK market, which is typically very price conscious.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully we'll get some regional shipment numbers.
Yes.
Doomsaying such as "third-parties can sell on Nintendo" on this thread is silly.
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Strange, nothing like that on the EU box looking at this. The details for both this and Skyrim have been all over the shop even from official sources, frankly.
Strange, nothing like that on the EU box looking at this. The details for both this and Skyrim have been all over the shop even from official sources, frankly.
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I'm pretty sure you can figure out yourself why ARMS and Splatoon 2 are more appealing to families than Doom or Skyrim. I don't think this requires any further explanation.
And the conversation you butted into was about the US chart, dominated completely by Nintendo.Yes? Here's the list for Amazon UK.
It's been shown over and over again that Amazon charts are not a good basis for sales results. This whole argument is a waste of time.
This is the PAL Chart thread, so it's understandable I assumed any discussion was regarding European sales.
It actually hasn't been shown over and over again that Amazon charts are not a good basis for sales results in the US. In fact they mirror it quite well. Dominant console the past few months in NPD happens to be the dominant console on Amazon. Same when it comes to games. It's not always a perfect 1:1 equation, but it's not far off.
The small user base for Switch compared to the PS4 and Xbox makes it look like Switch software is selling poorly in the UK. The Switch isn't laser focused on 20/30 males with lots of spare time to play games. This is why stuff like Doom will not light up the charts with high attach rates. That's more a property of a very focused user base. The Switch hits a broad user base with a wide variety of tastes. More casual titles will do better as it caters to a broader audience. More hardcore titles like Doom will not necessarily do bad but it will take some time to grow. Its a new audience for Bethesda and that's a good thing. I think it will perform fine and do respectable numbers in the long run.
Using hourly updated Amazon sales is pretty unreliable unless you're compiling a chart of what it looks like every hour.
I'd recommend following the monthly bestsellers if you really want to use Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017-11/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar , just use the 2017 bestseller link and add edit the url to 2017-11 for November.
Bear in mind that link is for US, which we should probably be steering away from discussing in the PAL thread.
I'd recommend following the monthly bestsellers if you really want to use Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017-11/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar , just use the 2017 bestseller link and add edit the url to 2017-11 for November.
Bear in mind that link is for US, which we should probably be steering away from discussing in the PAL thread.
Except I have relied on them, and they're spot on most of the time. Referring to monthly/yearly charts, not hourly.
I remember how people called DBXV2 on Switch a bomb because of the UK first week chart position.
For most publishers this is a marathon not a sprint and the Switch market is much bigger than whatever they can sell first week in UK. The lack of perceptive can make it hard to follow those PAL threads.
The Switch installed base is much lower than the number of its competitors - yet people expect old full price ports to sell substantially better than other/new games on the market. Bethesda and co. have likely much more reasonable expectations than most people who post in this thread.
For most publishers this is a marathon not a sprint and the Switch market is much bigger than whatever they can sell first week in UK. The lack of perceptive can make it hard to follow those PAL threads.
The Switch installed base is much lower than the number of its competitors - yet people expect old full price ports to sell substantially better than other/new games on the market. Bethesda and co. have likely much more reasonable expectations than most people who post in this thread.
Are they?
Let's compare the best selling NPD games to the best selling games on Amazon in 2017.
NPD:
1. Destiny 2*
2. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands
3. NBA 2K18
4. Madden NFL 18
5. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild**
6. Grand Theft Auto V
7. For Honor
8. Horizon Zero Dawn
9. Injustice 2
10. Mass Effect: Andromeda
Amazon
1. Super Mario Odyssey (not actually a factor in NPD results yet)
2. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
3. Breath of the Wild (Switch)
4. Horizon Zero Dawn
5. Splatoon 2
6. Breath of the Wild (WiiU)
7. Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 + 2.5
8. COD WWII (PS4)
9. Crash Trilogy
10. Uncharted Lost Legacy
The lists aren't very similar.
SMO probably sold more in Spain than in the UK lol
I'm not worried about Doom, the UK is dead
For nintendo i mean. The fight is lost
I'm not worried about Doom, the UK is dead
For nintendo i mean. The fight is lost
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That hyperbole though...
I don't see how the UK is dead because Nintendo doesn't perform as well there. Also where did you find out Mario sold better in Spain than the UK?
Exactly NPD shows a different picture. Looking at Amazon you would assume switch is the only console available. Switch Mario and Zelda will definitely be big this holiday though.
Interesting information about Doom being published by Nintendo heard Skyrim was possibly published by them also. Goes a long way to explain Besthada's change of heart.
Yeah i did not mean a necessary actual unit increse, but the question was about a sales bump. So if the total of a game is dropping for example 50% WoW, the Ps4 Version is dropping 58% and the Xbox One Version is dropping only 42% WoW, that's a sales bump for the Xbox One Version.
And during the Xbox One X release the share of every Multiplatform game (we got numbers for) increased for that week. A question about which game beside Forza 7 on Xbox One increased on a units sold base is more for people with access to GFK data :)
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Nintendo may perform better in Spain than the UK relatively but there is no way SMO sold more in Spain. In fact SMO sold really well in the UK
Also the UK is a top 3 market in Europe. How is it dead?
That's not a very useful comparison imo, since amazon does not combine skus, and as such Destiny takes 4 or more ranks in the ranking, instead of consolidating to one. Of course, that is one of the more fundamental reasons why direct comparisons between amazon and real life should be very carefully considered (the other being digital, which factors into NPD for XB1/PS4 but not Switch, and factors nowhere in the amazon ranking).
Amazon monthly videogames top 100 is a good predictor of relative console rankings, but it's certainly not a good predictor of relative game rankings.
No it didn't. While Nintendo does relatively better in Spain than in UK the difference in market size is so massive between the two that usually ''decent'' sales in UK are still quite bit more than ''great'' sales in Spain
Right, it's not a one to one comparison. But I think it proves that using Amazon for software ranking isn't the best idea. Unless you think the Kingdom Hearts Collection outsold Call of Duty on PS4.
Correct Amazon game sales rankings are meaningless when talking about the regional market at large. In all likelihood the bottom 5 games on the NPD drop out and are replaced by COD, SMO, AC:O, Shadow of Mordor and SWBF2.
Actually I think it was..Mat? Zhuge? Someone mentioned that Amazon is a bad measure for sidestream stuff like niche Japanese stuff because they tend to have their position inflated relative to normal.
However, for more or less mainstream stuff, which most of Nintendo's output is..in America, it is kinda reliable? Or at least less bad.
I don't think it is meant to be an accurate relative ranking guide, just a indicator of general performance.
It worked out for Forza 7 being ahead of GT Sport this week, but can easily mislead.
Anecdotal, and I'm not implying this had anything to do with it, but the Switch shelf-space in my local GAME isn't very big to begin with, and when I visited GAME on Friday, they hadn't even put the DOOM Switch cases out on display. They had cases for pre-orders of LA Noire, but no Doom. I almost thought I'd gotten the wrong day, but asked at the counter. The girl serving me had to ask her manager if it was out today and he replied in the affirmative and then went rummaging through a draw to find it. That's pretty ridiculous for a game launching on a Friday, it should be the last thing they do on a Thursday afternoon after locking up. This wasn't 9am on Friday either, I didn't go there til nearly 3pm.
They were doing a promotion where you could get some old game(s) super cheap if you bought COD WW2 though.
They were doing a promotion where you could get some old game(s) super cheap if you bought COD WW2 though.
I wouldn't say Mario did really well in UK, it did good, but compared to everywhere else and the fact the UK crowd isn't buying many games for Switch you would expect it to do more than that.
I'm blow away, that people keep buying healthy servings of this digital slop.
At this point sonic team has a problem, and we are enabling.
Yep, that's pretty much how it's looking at big retailers in Germany as well (Media Markt or Saturn to be more specific).
Why? I thought this massive performance was the battlefield 1 effect, where the fans wanted a return to the roots, and Activision delivered. I don't really see why COD would be increasing even further from here on out when it wasn't doing that before.
You clearly don't understand much about Cod my friend, it's normal if you are not part of the fanbase, here's a few hints :
Treyarch
Boots on the ground
=)
It's gonna smash WW2 to pieces.
Eh.... I'm not sure if publishers really want a marathon rather than a sprint. Prices depreciate thus their profits too and there's no incentive in selling longer unless you're a platform holder like Nintendo since it adds value to the platform itself.
I agree that Bethesda is a reasonable publisher when it comes to expectation and we'll see if the support continues after Wolfenstein 2, or is there a much later release?
Dragonball is a huge franchise, and seems like a perfect fit for the switch audience that seems to be into cartoony games, i don't think doom will do well, but we'll see.
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