PAL Charts - Week 50, 2017

Aostia82 · Dec 19, 2017

Adventureracing said:
Which ones exactly? Also what does that mean for total 3rd party sales?

There have been some failures (massive ones in the saw of FIFA 18), there have been some decent performances and there have been some successes. Actually breaking it down and discussing these points is what makes a conversation.

I feel like we're kind of retreading the old arguments from the wii generation. Which 3rd parties games have actually sold less than would have been expected? Most of them are late ports are low budget efforts. There is so little to judge switch 3rd party sales on. Comparing that to sales juggernaughts like Mario kart, Mario and Zelda doesn't tell us anything.

Let's look at some examples.

FIFA 18 - clearly a massive disappointment. It was released at the same time as the other consoles and it's a decent port (though it's online is pretty awful).

Skyrim - it's a port of a 6 year old game which is available on 360, PS3, PS4 and xbone and has been for years. It also sold really well on PC. Not only that but it was just ported again last year. It was never going to move huge numbers on switch. It seems to have had a good start in the US and has performed well on the eshop. It's pretty hard to judge without knowing expectations and exactly how much it has sold.

WWE - as stated above it's a terrible port and was also late. It was never going to perform well.

NBA2K - we have PR saying the pub was happy with its sales. Sure it's PR and could be misleading but it's hard to use it as an example when the people who made it said it performed well.

Doom - Yet another late port. It's hard to be excited about a game releasing a year late which is a downgrade on the original (even though yes it's portable). It's sales are no doubt disappointing but that's what you get with late ports.

LA Noire - It sold 20% opening week just behind the xbone version in the UK where the switch hasn't been overly strong. Not a breakout success but it didn't perform any worse than other platforms.

Sonic - performed better on switch I believe. Hard to ask for more.

Minecraft - appears to have strong sales on the eshop. Without data it's impossible to judge though.

SFII - massive success that has sold far more than it ever deserves to.

Bomberman - a pretty average entry in a franchise that isn't a big seller. Again it sold far better than anyone would have expected.

Xeno verse - seemingly had a slow start but has went on to post very good numbers and continues to show strong legs.

Mario and rabbids - Massive success that looks set to be a multi million seller. It did use a Nintendo IP so I can see why it would be discounted.

Looking at that list I agree it's hardly been a breakthrough in terms of 3rd party sales. Looking at the games that have released should we have expected much more?

I understand big companies like EA not clamouring to jump on board. I don't expect the switch to suddenly receive all the big 3rd party games. I do think there are some promising results there and at least enough to entice some 3rd parties to want to support the switch.

seems a good summary.
UK market for western publisers switch games still seems pretty disappointing, while other markets or other publishers (from the Japanese ones like Bandai with Xeno or Capcom with Street Fighter, to the Indie ones) seems to have found very positive results.
In general, it seems that big AAA western games aren't finding the success related to the usual AAA western games, but at the same time it is pretty obvious that apart from FIFA (that to me is THE disappointment so far) there has been no real AAA western game published on the console. Late ports are the vast majority of the contents seen. The other game that arrived at the same time is NBA, I think, and "k was happy about the result, so...

Benji said:
For the record US sales for Western pubs on Switch seem quite a bit better in the US from the public data.
I'm still not impressed with it on that front but it seems to be a better situation than the UK at least

Well yes the UK market clearly is the hardest one for the Switch so far.
Not the EU one, but the UK one. I think that in France and Germany the general results has been better, with decent results in the US.

(just talking about third party phisical software here, of course)

Loudninja · Dec 19, 2017

ethomaz said:
It is in fact the last 12 months but if you released in this period it is indeed lifetime.

Yeah :)

Ryng™ · Dec 19, 2017

Zedark said:
SMO continues to sell well, and gets the platinum award to show for it. Will it get the sonderpreis (500k) as well? It might, unless they stop tracking games after a period of time.

500K is a lock. Real question is: will it reach 1 million?

Phamit · Dec 19, 2017

Zedark said:
SWBF1 also reached the Gold award in its opening month, and reached the platinum award in December. We'LL see if SWBF2 can do the same.

Splatoon 2 finally reached 100k! Splatoon on Wii U got its gold award in the month of September, so about the same time as Splatoon 2.

SMO continues to sell well, and gets the platinum award to show for it. Will it get the sonderpreis (500k) as well? It might, unless they stop tracking games after a period of time.

They hand out the awards for the Sales within 12 Months. I wouldn't say it's impossible though

Ryng™ · Dec 19, 2017

ITALY CHART

Top 10 console

1. CALL OF DUTY WW II (PlayStation 4)
2. FIFA 18 (PlayStation 4)
3. SUPER MARIO ODYSSEY (Nintendo Switch)
4. ASSASSIN'S CREED ORIGINS (PlayStation 4)
5. POKEMON ULTRASOLE (Nintendo 3DS)
6. TOM CLANCY'S RAINBOW SIX SIEGE (PlayStation 4)
7. GTA V GRAND THEFT AUTO (PlayStation 4)
8. JUST DANCE 2018 (Wii)
9. MINECRAFT (PlayStation 4)
10. CRASH BANDICOOT N.SANE TRILOGY (PlayStation 4)

Top 10 PC

1. OVERWATCH GAME OF THE YEAR
2. CALL OF DUTY WW II
3. DIABLO III BATTLE CHEST
4. THE SIMS 4
5. FOOTBALL MANAGER 2018 LIMITED EDITION
6. DESTINY 2
7. CALL OF DUTY BLACK OPS II
8. GTA V GRAND THEFT AUTO
9. CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 3
10. CALL OF DUTY 4 MODERN WARFARE

https://multiplayer.it/notizie/1927...-odyssey.html?comment_page=1#comment_c6633527

Zedark · Dec 19, 2017

Phamit said:
They hand out the awards for the Sales within 12 Months. I wouldn't say it's impossible though

I see, yeah, 500k in 12 months should be more than doable. As Ryng Manuel Tolu said, 1 million seems to be the real question.

SinCityAssassin · Dec 19, 2017

Ryng Manuel Tolu said:
8. JUST DANCE 2018 (Wii)

Hot damn.

Pokémon · Dec 19, 2017

I wish we would get weekly data from other countries than just UK. I mean the BIU awards from Germany are cool and such but we still don't know how much SMO sold exactly. It could be sitting at 220k but it could also be really close to 500k since it's the 2nd best selling game on Amazon Germany (individual SKU).

v_iHuGi · Dec 19, 2017

chadskin said:
German BIU Sales Awards for November 2017: https://www.biu-online.de/blog/2017...sten-computer-und-videospiele-in-deutschland/

Call of Duty: WWII (PS4) >500K

Assassin's Creed Origins (PS4) >200K

Gran Turismo Sport (PS4) >200K

Super Mario Odyssey (Switch) >200K

Call of Duty: WWII (XB1) >100K

F1 2017 (PS4) >100K

Middle-Earth: Shadow of War (PS4) >100K

Need for Speed: Payback (PS4) >100K

Splatoon 2 (Switch) >100K

Star Wars: Battlefront 2 (PS4) >100K

Call of Duty WW2 what a juggernaut across the whole planet.

Suw4rbox · Dec 19, 2017

Loudninja said:
Yeah :)

Hey bro, can you make a thread about this

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-12-19-ps4-took-half-of-all-uk-physical-game-sales-in-2017

Thanks. :)

KillerMan91 · Dec 19, 2017

I actually didn't know it took this long for Splatoon 2 to get 100k award in germany (about same time as for original). In Japan Splatoon really took off with its sequel but in west it seems to follow the same sales pattern as original. I mean still decent but could have done more (looking at Japan).

Loudninja · Dec 19, 2017

Suw4rbox said:
Hey bro, can you make a thread about this

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-12-19-ps4-took-half-of-all-uk-physical-game-sales-in-2017

Thanks. :)

Gotcha.

K Samedi · Dec 19, 2017

So FIFA is called a horrible failure on Switch? I think its doing very respectable numbers. I must be out of my mind lol. You know, just because it didnt sell a huge amount of copies right out of the gate doesnt mean it failed. Its legging like crazy everywhere and will do respectable numbers when all is said and done. Its basically acting as a new popular IP on the Switch yet on other platforms, its performing like a well eatablished and liked IP. I wonder why that is lol.

Mameshiba · Dec 19, 2017

KillerMan91 said:
I actually didn't know it took this long for Splatoon 2 to get 100k award in germany (about same time as for original). In Japan Splatoon really took off with its sequel but in west it seems to follow the same sales pattern as original. I mean still decent but could have done more (looking at Japan).

It didn't grow the same way it did in Japan, but the original Splatoon was also budget price (40 €) in Europe, while Splatoon 2 costs the regular 60 €. No idea how it performs in the US.

WillySJ3 · Dec 19, 2017

samar11 said:
at 499? lol

Man, that's why I said it's too late. A mid gen refresh won't help them much, and that price isn't consumer friendly.

imt558 · Dec 19, 2017

c0de said:
Are we discussing sales or chart positions?

Chart position is related to sales, isn't it.

Lelouch0612 · Dec 19, 2017

KillerMan91 said:
I actually didn't know it took this long for Splatoon 2 to get 100k award in germany (about same time as for original). In Japan Splatoon really took off with its sequel but in west it seems to follow the same sales pattern as original. I mean still decent but could have done more (looking at Japan).

We'll have more data with Nintendo's next financial report. We already know that it sold more than 2M in the West in a little more than 2 months. The legs will determine how much growth it has compared to the first one.

Compared to the original, Splatoon 2 has the same pattern in the West than in Japan, it is reaching the first one LTD right now. The difference is the scale of Splatoon's success, huge in Japan, only good in the West.

Deleted member 20297 · Dec 19, 2017

imt558 said:
Chart position is related to sales, isn't it.

Loosely.

Zedark · Dec 19, 2017

Edit: Sorry lelouch, quoted you by accident.

KillerMan91 said:
I actually didn't know it took this long for Splatoon 2 to get 100k award in germany (about same time as for original). In Japan Splatoon really took off with its sequel but in west it seems to follow the same sales pattern as original. I mean still decent but could have done more (looking at Japan).

Hmm, that doesn't really rhyme with the numbers reported by Nintendo, though. They had Splatoon 2 at 3.61 million shipped, of which 2.05 million overseas. Comparing to Splatoon 1 (and taking the second quarter because the first one was sorteren than 2's), 1 shipped 1.56 million units in 4 months, versus the 2.05 million of Splatoon 2 in 2 and a bit months. Unless 2 was largely overshipped, there is reason to expect its sales to be quite a bit higher than 1's, even if it's not the case in Germany.

v_iHuGi · Dec 19, 2017

Switch should outsell Xbox One in Europe by 2018s end or early 2019, Germany, France and Spain within months most likely.

I mean look at that Software sales on Nintendo Switch.

NSESN · Dec 19, 2017

Switch has a better digital rate than Wii U so far, that can explain the Splatoon growth.

v_iHuGi said:
Switch should outsell Xbox One in Europe by 2018s end or early 2019, Germany, France and Spain within months most likely.

I mean look at that Software sales on Nintendo Switch.

UK alone will slow this. Expect 2020 or late 2019.

Adventureracing · Dec 19, 2017

KillerMan91 said:
I actually didn't know it took this long for Splatoon 2 to get 100k award in germany (about same time as for original). In Japan Splatoon really took off with its sequel but in west it seems to follow the same sales pattern as original. I mean still decent but could have done more (looking at Japan).

Yeah splatoon 2s growth has primarily been driven by Japan. Still it will see decent growth in the west as well and lifetime will improve by a few million over the original which is pretty decent. It has the potential to become a 10+ million selling franchise which is pretty awesome for Nintendo to be able to add to their normal list of heavy hitters.

v_iHuGi said:
Switch should outsell Xbox One in Europe by 2018s end or early 2019, Germany, France and Spain within months most likely.

I mean look at that Software sales on Nintendo Switch.

Thanks to Japan the switch will rapidly catch up to the xbone WW as well.

v_iHuGi · Dec 19, 2017

NSESN said:
Switch has a better digital rate than Wii U so far, that can explain the Splatoon growth.

UK alone will slow this. Expect 2020 or late 2019.

Yeah UK is the "problem", without the UK 2018 is a lock.

Adventureracing said:
Yeah splatoon 2s growth has primarily been driven by Japan. Still it will see decent growth in the west as well and lifetime will improve by a few million over the original which is pretty decent. It has the potential to become a 10+ million selling franchise which is pretty awesome for Nintendo to be able to add to their normal list of heavy hitters.

Thanks to Japan the switch will rapidly catch up to the xbone WW as well.

Yeah it should be really quick before Switch gets the 2nd spot, awesome.

KillerMan91 · Dec 19, 2017

Mameshiba said:
It didn't grow the same way it did in Japan, but the original Splatoon was also budget price (40 €) in Europe, while Splatoon 2 costs the regular 60 €. No idea how it performs in the US.

Price is is good point. Didn't remember original having budget price in Europe.

Lelouch0612 said:
We'll have more data with Nintendo's next financial report. We already know that it sold more than 2M in the West in a little more than 2 months. The legs will determine how much growth it has compared to the first one.

Compared to the original, Splatoon 2 has the same pattern in the West than in Japan, it is reaching the first one LTD right now. The difference is the scale of Splatoon's success, huge in Japan, only good in the West.

I mean we should be wiser after next financials report. Still I don't agree that it has same pattern in west and Japan. In Japan its sales are clearly limited by stock of Switch. Every week with better supply situation for Switch sees big increase for Splatoon 2. If Switch had had unlimited stock in Japan Splatoon 2 would be way beyond the original already. In west Splatoon 2 is nowhere to be seen in current charts while the usual suspects go up and down depending on the week (Mario Kart, Odyssey, Zelda).

Zedark said:
Edit: Sorry lelouch, quoted you by accident.

Hmm, that doesn't really rhyme with the numbers reported by Nintendo, though. They had Splatoon 2 at 3.61 million shipped, of which 2.05 million overseas. Comparing to Splatoon 1 (and taking the second quarter because the first one was sorteren than 2's), 1 shipped 1.56 million units in 4 months, versus the 2.05 million of Splatoon 2 in 2 and a bit months. Unless 2 was largely overshipped, there is reason to expect its sales to be quite a bit higher than 1's, even if it's not the case in Germany.

Well we know it sold little over 330k first month in retail in US. Still charted in top 5 in August and 18th place in september but after that left the overall Top 20. Maybe it's somewhat over 1 million by now in US with digital (?). Considering 100k from Germany and under that from UK that over 2 million seems pretty overshipped for west (especially as it's already december and those were shipped by end of september). I guess we shall see.

Adventureracing said:
Yeah splatoon 2s growth has primarily been driven by Japan. Still it will see decent growth in the west as well and lifetime will improve by a few million over the original which is pretty decent. It has the potential to become a 10+ million selling franchise which is pretty awesome for Nintendo to be able to add to their normal list of heavy hitters.

10 million is pretty tall order. Really depends just how well it in the end does in Japan (like if it does over 5 million in Japan maybe it could hit 10 million globally)

Soony Xbone Uhh · Dec 19, 2017

Anyone does know if Nintendo do provide the BIU with digital sales for the awards?
We know GFK just strack retail, but often platformholder or publisher provide digital sales to reach those milestones.
Sony does it and as of late Microsoft didn't (at least i never read about it).
So how is Nintendo handling this? I'm aware Nintendo digital sales on Switch are not that big of a factor yet, but i would be still good to know.

Mameshiba · Dec 19, 2017

Soony Xbone Uhh said:
Anyone does know if Nintendo do provide the BIU with digital sales for the awards?
We know GFK just strack retail, but often platformholder or publisher provide digital sales to reach those milestones.
Sony does it and as of late Microsoft didn't (at least i never read about it).
So how is Nintendo handling this? I'm aware Nintendo digital sales on Switch are not that big of a factor yet, but i would be still good to know.

I think Nintendo does provide BIU with digital sales, atleast they did in 2015 for the original Splatoon going by this list (september):
https://www.biu-online.de/wp-conten..._Auflistung_aller_Awards_nach_Monaten2015.pdf
Probably hasn't changed since then.

Lelouch0612 · Dec 20, 2017

Small report from France : Super Mario Odyssey is facing supply issues.

I went to my local shop (Fnac) and was shocked to not find SMO on stock. By the way the 5 best selling games were (MK8D, Just Dance, Splatoon , Zelda and Fifa in this order).

So I went home to check whether it was an exceptional situation.

It is out of stock on Amazon : https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B072KJWYL9/?tag=e1000b-21

Currently out of stock on fnac.com :

https://jeux-video.fnac.com/a107983...Nintendo-Switch-Jeu-Nintendo-Switch#int=S:Les

and in nearly every store in Paris (10/11).

It is a shame that we don't have concrete data but I think that this report shows us just how good the game is doing and how it benfits from the Holiday season.

marc^o^ · Dec 20, 2017

Xenoblade 2 is also out of stock on amazon in France:
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/2017/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar#1

It would pass Arms otherwise. It now seems sure it will land in the top 25 best selling games on amazon.fr in 2017, as soon as they restock.

Quite a hit there.

Lelouch0612 · Dec 20, 2017

marc^o^ said:
Xeniblade 2 is also out of stock on amazon in France:
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/2017/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar#1

It would pass Arms otherwise. It now seems sure it will land in the top 25 best selling games on amazon.fr in 2017, as soon as they restock.

Quite a hit there.

And on fnac.com :

https://jeux-video.fnac.com/a111467...tch-Jeu-Nintendo-Switch#st=xeno&ct=Rayons&t=p

+ 6 stores/11 in Paris.

The Switch HW and SW is doing really great since Odyssey's release after a calm period in August-October.

Zedark · Dec 20, 2017

Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-12-20-gamesindustry-biz-presents-the-year-in-numbers-2017

2017 has been a busy year for the world of video games and it's nigh on impossible to quantify everything that has happened to the industry - but we've attempted to do so anyway.

OfficerRaichu15 · Dec 20, 2017

That BIU for Xbox really seems kinda same ol same ol(I mean isn't it just CODs and FIFAs with the exception of like Forza Horizon, Halo V, and GTA V?) Dont get me wrong it's decent amount of titles but I want to see some unexpected titles passed that mark German Xbox owners! :P
Congrats to the PS4(crazy how much it sells all around) and Switch(Mario, Splatoon 2, Zelda, and Mario Kart(I think Yoshi will get pass 100k in a year(did on Wii U).

v_iHuGi · Dec 21, 2017

Lelouch0612 said:
And on fnac.com :

https://jeux-video.fnac.com/a111467...tch-Jeu-Nintendo-Switch#st=xeno&ct=Rayons&t=p

+ 6 stores/11 in Paris.

The Switch HW and SW is doing really great since Odyssey's release after a calm period in August-October.

The power of Mario to this day still blows my mind, biggest and most important gaming franchise ever.

Noobie · Dec 26, 2017

Numbers will come next year?

Rosur · Dec 26, 2017

Noobie said:
Numbers will come next year?

Possibly tomorrow as a working day, today/yesterday are Bank Holidays over here.

Noobie · Dec 27, 2017

27/Dec/2017

With the Christmas Chart over and the new year just around the corner, there are no new entries in the All Formats Chart, however entertainment software unit sales rise +29%, with Activision Blizzard's 'Call of Duty: WWII' leading the way yet again at No1 for the 8th successive time (+43%).

The last time this happened was all the way back in 2011 when 505 Games' 'Zumba Fitness' held the No1 spot 10 weeks running. EA hold the next 2 spots with 'Fifa 18' at No2 (+51) and 'Star Wars Battlefront II' at No3 (+26%), while sales for Ubisoft's 'Assassin's Creed' rise (+60%) as it climbs one place to No4. In its second week since launch, Microsoft's 'Playerunknown's Battleground' falls 4 places to No8 (-55%), paving the way for Rockstar/Take 2's 'GTA V' to climb 2 places and make the top 5 (+30%).

asd202 · Dec 27, 2017

Noobie said:
27/Dec/2017

With the Christmas Chart over and the new year just around the corner, there are no new entries in the All Formats Chart, however entertainment software unit sales rise +29%, with Activision Blizzard's 'Call of Duty: WWII' leading the way yet again at No1 for the 8th successive time (+43%).

The last time this happened was all the way back in 2011 when 505 Games' 'Zumba Fitness' held the No1 spot 10 weeks running. EA hold the next 2 spots with 'Fifa 18' at No2 (+51) and 'Star Wars Battlefront II' at No3 (+26%), while sales for Ubisoft's 'Assassin's Creed' rise (+60%) as it climbs one place to No4. In its second week since launch, Microsoft's 'Playerunknown's Battleground' falls 4 places to No8 (-55%), paving the way for Rockstar/Take 2's 'GTA V' to climb 2 places and make the top 5 (+30%).

GTAV will never die.

Noobie · Dec 27, 2017

asd202 said:
GTAV will never die.

i say Crash will be the new GTA

Code:

12        8              CRASH BANDICOOT N.SANE TRILOGY    PS4    ACTIVISION    ACTIVISION BLIZZARD

chobel · Dec 27, 2017

That's some impressive hold for PUBG.

Zedark · Dec 27, 2017

PUBG did 70k last week, so this week it is around 31,500 units.

Super Mario Odyssey is above PUBG in the ranking, so it sold over 31.5k.

Edit: PUBG actually did between 70k and 64k, so the range should be between 31.5k and 28.8k.

Kodama4 · Dec 27, 2017

asd202 said:
GTAV will never die.

Saw an advert for an expansion to the online game the other day. GTAV is the immortal god of games

Angie · Dec 27, 2017

Did Dead Rising 4: Frank's Big Package bombed?

I don't recall ever seeing it in any chart

Mpl90 · Dec 27, 2017

01 (01) CALL OF DUTY: WWII (ACTIVISION)
02 (02) FIFA 18 (EA SPORTS)
03 (03) STAR WARS BATTLEFRONT II (EA GAMES) - 88,316 (+26%)
04 (05) ASSASSIN'S CREED ORIGINS (UBISOFT)
05 (07) GRAND THEFT AUTO V (ROCKSTAR)
06 (10) CRASH BANDICOOT: N'SANE TRILOGY (ACTIVISION)
07 (04) SUPER MARIO ODYSSEY (NINTENDO)
08 (04) PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUND (MICROSOFT)
09 (11) THE SIMS 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
10 (08) WWE 2K18 (TAKE 2)

Not much else for now unfortunately, I think.

Soony Xbone Uhh · Dec 27, 2017

CoD: WWII ~207k

KillerMan91 · Dec 27, 2017

Crash beating Mario during holiday week. We have 90s charts back in UK lol.

Noobie · Dec 27, 2017

have we got platform percentages yet?

v_iHuGi · Dec 27, 2017

Soony Xbone Uhh said:
CoD: WWII ~207k

Damn must be near 2M at Retail now?

Pokémon · Dec 27, 2017

Crash Bandicoot is a beast in the UK. I mean Crash is popular in Europe but it's a phenomenon in the UK.

v_iHuGi · Dec 27, 2017

pld said:
Crash Bandicoot is a beast in the UK. I mean Crash is popular in Europe but it's a phenomenon in the UK.

Yeah scary it's outselling Mario in the UK, the most popular Mario of forever at least everyone talking about it even here lol

Saint-14 · Dec 27, 2017

KillerMan91 said:
Crash beating Mario during holiday week. We have 90s charts back in UK lol.

Knack started it and Crash ending it.

Stilton Disco · Dec 27, 2017

Saint-14 said:
Knack started it and Crash ending it.

Don't forget, Sony's already getting prepared for round three, with Sir Dan ready to lay the smackdown on the inevitable 2018/19 Mario title too!

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