The majority of Christians are people like you, who happen to also believe that Jesus died for their sins. I would recommend to stop listening to the vocal minority.
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Pastor calls out Trump's un-Christian behaviour with Pence in the audience
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The majority of Christians are people like you, who happen to also believe that Jesus died for their sins. I would recommend to stop listening to the vocal minority.
Have we seen any reports about Trump going to church? Same guy who said "Two Corinthians" instead of "Second "Corinthians" when asked about his favorite Bible verse. It was for votes and he's a moron.
Pence has been reading the Bible for half a century without feeling any shame, I doubt this'll push him over the line.
You're right, and it's not right and not fair on some level, but on others...well, to be frank, a lot of Christians also allowed that to happened. Billy Graham was easily the most popular evangelical at one point, if not ever, and he was there as the dominionists were taking over. He could have spoken out against it, he could have rallied people around him, he could have at least brought awareness about it, but no, he just stood back and chocked back his words of distaste as the religious right became more radical and all those less popular than him were purged and minimized and the Pat Robertsons and Benny Hinns took complete control.
And while there are a lot of "good" Christians who are just ignorant and/or totally delusional about what their religion has become, there's a lot others who are just like Graham. They see what is happening, they see what is going on, but they either agree enough with some things or don't want to promote infighting or they fear their pews will empty out if they take on the bigwigs and what they spew. And just like Billy Graham's son, Franklin, emerged as a radical fascist, the next group of young Christians will be even more radical as they consume the garbage their elders dare not speak against.
That doesn't speak well of Christians or Christianity in America at all lmao
I've lived among Christians my entire life. They most certainly are not.
Because they're also scum. Just because they don't use words like "shithole" doesn't make them any better. You'd have to go pretty far down the line of succession to find anyone who would be much better than Trump on policy.
I am well aware of the problems in the conservative Christian subculture, having grown up in it. I am equally well aware, having worked in a wide variety of churchs and with a wide variety of Christians, that there is far more to American Christianity than the people who consider Fox News and right-wing talk radio their Bible and preachers.
Honestly, this is a thread about an American church whose pastor openly criticized Trump's disparaging comments towards people of other nations and was applauded for it by his congregation. This is a very poor place to argue that American Christianity is unavoidably dominated by fascist Trump stooges.
What I'm talking about predates Trump. Anyone who doesn't understand the radical fascist takeover of Christianity in America really doesn't know those problems as well as they think.
Bad press means nothing of Democrats don't win. They also have to win consecutively. Republicans know Democrats will move on pretty fast.
It was the same disengenous shit as his MLK tweet.
A repressed closeted gay man?
I also have lived among Christians my entire life. They are people with varied political and social views, who happen to believe in Jesus.
You can't be failing to notice the anecdotal nature of your argument here.
Well, we're a scary lot, us coloreds. Who knows what we're really up to? We might try to give them weird culture and food. WHO KNOWS?!
I mean, you literally just met anecdotal evidence with anecdotal evidence, so ya know. I mean, there's far more to what I'm talking about than that to begin with.
So a non-practicing and completely ignorant Christian, who doesn't follow any of its teachings - what exactly makes him religious, then?
I'm atheist but was baptized as a kid, am I religious? Can I get up in front of one of those wacky Christian colleges and quote bible verses for votes and you'd consider me religious? Is it that easy to trick you?
You are making a statement that the 'Majority of Christians' are part of the religious right, and attempting to say that statement is based in objectivity. You are doing this without providing any evidence that would be required when making an objective statement.
When pressed as to why you are making such a statement, you respond with anecdotal evidence. Why?
Ya, same. You can't just declare yourself as Christian whilst working against Christian doctrine, it's nonsensical.
I am sorry that you appear to have had particularly poor experiences with Christians, and I apologize as a Christian for those people who profess to be Christians who have not treated you with the love and compassion of Jesus Christ. I pray that you will encounter Christians in your life who are able to demonstrate to you the radical power of Christ's mercy and grace.
If I ever get the urge to self-flagellate myself for being born female I'll hit you up
Doesn't seem to bother ISIS when they call themselves Muslim.
Radicals gonna be radical.
I already addressed this. Where do the majority of Christians vote? I also talk about the radical fascist leaders who have long co-oped the Christian hierarchy, etc. There you go. But keep it up all you want. The "good" Christianity is a strong thing to want to believe in, especially in America where the religion has become so radical.
There's almost nothing Christians enjoy more than denying other Christians their faith.
I have to imagine it's the same for other religions.
Lol, you can save that for someone else my man. What I am talking about is not exclusively my experience, as I detailed above. But if you want to ignore that and just put your head in the sand, I understand that choice as well. It's a hard reality to have to face to look at the raw face of what you consider your faith has become and go into 'feel-good Christ vibes,' I get that (and I mean that sincerely, not with any irony)
Being religious is about your own relationship with god and spirituality. Nothing to do with books or services. Nothing to do with tricking me or anyone else.
This is a lie, whether you're willing to accept it or not.
At best, you can say he's representative of evangelicals.
You got to stop roleplaying Joel Osteen and start talking like a normal human being. This is a gaming forum, not a pulpit.
It was absolute necessary for the pastor to call out Trump. Everything he does is contrary to Christianity (since I doubt he's very religious himself)
What makes a person religious? Probably prayer, belief, openness to worship (if you aren't attending church every week), etc.
Also, you're asking if you as an atheist are religious? That's pretty disingenuous because you know the answer to that.
What makes a person religious? Probably prayer, belief, openness to worship (if you aren't attending church every week), etc.
Also, you're asking if you as an atheist are religious? That's pretty disingenuous because you know the answer to that.
Where did you address it and with what evidence?
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/
Keep in mind that Pew Research is non-partisan and non-denominational.
Somewhat old data, but I doubt it would shift too dramatically. Take a look at the United Church of Christ, Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and Catholic numbers. They are either split down the middle, or they lean Democrat. Where is your evidence to support the contrary?
This is a lie, whether you're willing to accept it or not.
Oh man, a chart showing a moderate increase in supporting gay marriage. I mean, you got me, that totally voids everything I said lol
According to 36 Chambers you don't know what's in my heart, though. Maybe I only said I'm an atheist because I'm in the leathery clutches of SATAN himself! Help! This is me being religious!
I mean, this is pretty rich coming from you.
You're "talking" like an atheist meme right now bro
while this is an argument I also use there was always a caveat.
Some people can be religious and highly dangerous.
For example the nut jobs who want Israel destroyed to ensure the Rapture happens or the devout Muslims in ISIS.
Pence and evangelicals simply sold their souls to the devil so they don't count but it is prudent to keep the caveat in mind when judging whether someone is religious or not.
I can think of no better way to celebrate MLK day than to make a crusty old white man uncomfortable because his power is gained through racism.
Read my posts, I reference all of that. If you want resources a good start is American Fascists by Chris Hedges. And you can take a look at the major Christian networks like TBN, and who the primary leaders of the movement are, or hell, go read just about anything about the Regan revolution and how huge a role the radicalized religious right was, and then go to look at the voting habits of Christian voters, particularly 'evangelicals.'
It shows you either haven't read anything I said, have deliberately ignored it, or are ignorant of the problems plaguing Christianity in America.
What does an atheist meme "talk like"?
Please be as specific in your answer as Jesus Christ is radically powerful.
That's the rub. Pence uses his religious belief as a justification for his primary desire: to strip rights from people he disagrees with. He and trump are birds of a feather, regardless of the difference in their religious beliefs.
Evangelicals are represented in the data I provided to you. They are well known to lean Republican, but they are not representative of Christianity as a whole. Did you look at the data I presented or are you ignoring it since it doesn't fit your narrative?
Nope. I've read and perfectly understand that you pretend to be basing your opinions on objective data but reject reliable data counter to your narrative when it's presented.
I mean, you have basically ignored everything I've said including the vast majority of that statement except to zoom in on 'evangelicals' in a dismissive way despite the major voting power they have had since the 1980s. But yeah, bruh, let's talk about them narratives.
Lol, it's always the same with these topics. Christianity in America gets pointed out for what it has become, what it represents, and the people who drive it, and there's the defense of the 'good' Christian who of course isn't bad and blah, as if it's being said that every single Christian is a horrible piece of shit, which of course is not being said at all, and all it does is serve as a big deflection. So it's whatever. Everyone can go to heaven, let's hope.
