The wild Hunt are actually op and not super well implemented. Owlcat needs more playtesters and better feel for the mechanics. You can't just add +10 across the board and call it a day with a boss. They really need to up the encounter design.
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Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Development Updates - Kickstarter complete! (Official turn-based support!)
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I feel that the wild hunt is kind of a perpetual "boss". The way they implemented them just doesn't really work in the context of the Pathfinder mechanics, this is further highlighted by the amount trash mobs of made out of them. Honestly, they're not very well balanced for tabletop either, but at least there you have more options of dealing with their.. abilities.
The way it should work ideally is that every encounter should be a unique puzzle that you use your ever-increasing toolbox of abilities to solve.
There exists the excellent Turn Based Combat mod if you feel that RtwP combat is too messy in Kingmaker (and it will be officially integrated into the game in WotR).
Yeah they felt pretty significantly harder than anything else in the game. My cleric had like 4-5 uses of Restoration because every other mob destroyed my attributes in every fight, but I also needed multiple uses of freedom of movement to have any kind of chance against Wild Hunt. Sucks that all I needed was lvl 4 (think it was cleric spells lvl 4) slots, and most other spell slots were near useless for those fights.
I think the game peaked around midgame when you had to deal with all these different threats to your kingdom.
I'll give it a try in the next game, but I finished the game as is right now. It would've probably been good to use that mod.
And in tabletop after the first time you'd just wear a blindfold or fuck them up from air hundreds of feet away.
You also wouldn't get like 8 encounters with them in close succession in tabletop, I'd assume.
I liked the combat in divinity more than kingmaker. My main problem with kingmaker combat was there was way too many buffs and passive skills rather than active ones. I think they tried to make the game way too closer to the tabletop game, which in some cases caused more harm than good.
Not unless your DM hated you and/or was really bad.
That's a double-edged sword and you have to walk a pretty thin line to make it work. The Pathfinder mechanics are quite well playtested and all fit together seamlessly, but as a developer you have to have a very good sense of what works in the context of a video game and what doesn't. You obviously need to tweak a lot of it, but also keep the internal logic consistent. Basically any developer dealing with encounters/mechanics needs to think like a DM.
As a rookie video game developer, it is probably safer to lift content wholesale than try to mess with it too much. I hope Owlcat has got a lot of experience with all of this by now and can walk that line.
PS. Also, it's meant to be a turn based game.
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Well, if you're well-prepared for them (have AoE spells, bombs, torches) they're not that annoying.
It's really hard to make (dnd/pathfinder) swarms work in a video game, they're basically an environmental hazard as much as a creature. They're really easy to kill with AoE spells, but once it envelops you, you're pretty fucked.
Sorry if I'm too lazy to read
Is this like Pillars of Eternity? Because I loved that game but had to stop because the loading screens killed my enjoyment of the game.
Is this like Pillars of Eternity? Because I loved that game but had to stop because the loading screens killed my enjoyment of the game.
Yes, pretty sure the load times are also shorter, at least in the currently existing game.
This is why I stopped playing DOS2. It's a great game but it just over-whelmed me with shit exploding, fire everywhere poison clouds, water that was being electrified etc...
I felt each fight wasn't so much about my characters as it was about how I could get the enemy to stand next to a barrel I put down that would blow them up in one hit.
Had to get out of a cave just to buy a couple of dozen acid flasks to take care of those fucking spider swarms lol
New update on the measures they have implemented in order to release WotR in a (hopefully) much less buggy state than Kingmaker:
Very similar Real time with pause gameplay, yeah. You should like this.
That's a nice update, good to see they are taking criticisms and lessons to heart from the launch of the first game.
*Crane style/wing/riposte to be fixed for new game so it doesn't work with absolutely everything"
Noooooooooooooooooo!
Noooooooooooooooooo!
It got stressful in a way. That's when I realized I wasn't enjoying the game.
Took some time to let it sink in because of all the glowing recommendations and reviews.
I've recently been playing Kingmaker and enjoying it a ton. One thing I hope they do is give us a way to actually adjust the AI in this game. Having one of my characters insist on casting acid splash when she would be much better using her bow with how I built her is really annoying. I did find a work around (right clicking charge to force her to attack since you can't charge with bows) but adjusting that stuff would be nice. With all the options I have at this point I might finally cave and do the turn based mod. I'm just worried that it going to slow down the game a lot. We will see.
Yeah, any modern RTwP game could really benefit from having a robust AI system like Deadfire has.
I hope they do something to make certain 1 level dips less powerful, honestly. 1 level of monk and you get unarmed/crane style, plus a huge AC bonus when not wearing armor. It's too strong. 1 level of Vivi for sneak damage and a useful mutagen.
Kinda wish medium and heavy armor had DR or something to make non-dex "tanks" more useful in general, but I get they are using established rules, so...
Kinda wish medium and heavy armor had DR or something to make non-dex "tanks" more useful in general, but I get they are using established rules, so...
I absolutely loved playing my ratfolk investigator in my group's Pathfinder campaign. You have my sword on this.
I mean, you don't have to powergame...
There's a mod that adds armor training feats/options from the rules for fighters which make heavy armor way better. Hopefully this will also be implemented in Wrath.
That's true of course, but it feels like it effects balance. Make armor wearing more appealing and the dip doesn't matter so much. Similar with how easy sneak attacks are to pull off.
Armor does need a buff and the fix is (mostly) already in the rules, Owlcat was just a bit weird about which feat trees they included and which ones they omitted. There's also a slew of amazing armor and shield enchantments that make them much more useful, but Owlcat really screwed up the magical item part of the game. Sometimes I still think of how amazing the crafting was in Temple of Elemental Evil.
As someone who has never played D&D and knows nothing about Pathfinder, could someone sell me on this game? I don't have the time to play through the first game right now (probably in the summer) but I do love RPGs and like to support developers who make great games.
Last isometric RPG I played was POE, finished the expansions this Christmas. I would still love to play POE2 and Divinity2, just need the time.
How does this compare to those games, what makes this special?
Last isometric RPG I played was POE, finished the expansions this Christmas. I would still love to play POE2 and Divinity2, just need the time.
How does this compare to those games, what makes this special?
Pathfinder is basically "Character Customization Porn: The Ruleset" and Kingmaker was remarkably good at translating that to a CRPG. If there's a hyper-specific character archetype you're interested in making, there's probably a way to make it happen, be it something like "What if I want a Paladin who can smite things at range with a bow?" or "What if I want a Barbarian who trades the class' added mobility in favor of being able to tank in heavy armor while still raging?" While Pillars of Eternity, especially Pillars II, is a much slicker ruleset made for computers, Pathfinder is the raw P&P number crunching machine. Kingmaker also has that whole "Kingdom Building" aspect, which is a little wonky, but still fairly unique for the genre. From what they've said in this campaign, Wrath of the Righteous will instead focus around managing the crusade.
The biggest drawback to Kingmaker (and Pathfinder 1e in general, honestly) is that the learning curve for the system can be rough, especially at character creation when you're confronted with a bunch of classes (all of whom also have three subclass archetypes) with zero guidance of what to do and zero knowledge of what kind of NPC companions you'll pick up.
I mean... it doesn't hurt me one bit since I would never take a level dip into Monk on any of my characters for role-playing reasons. But I've always wished that in 3.5/Pathfinder there was a system in place specificly designed to combat all the multiclass shenanigans. I've always felt like classes should only start getting really good stuff at level 3 or so.
Owlcats claim that they're going to address this specific drawback in WotR, with some sort of a new in-depth system which would assist newcomers in character creation and progression. They haven't shared any further details on that yet, though, so it's not clear yet how well it's going to work.
This is a good summary. I'd just add that PoE's mechanics can feel quite shallow and untested at times. Pathfinder has the benefit or thousands of hours of playtesting and thus a more robust ruleset.
Pathfinder felt more solid to me, more like a well-thought-out system. I liked the graphics better, and it often felt as if I was playing the pen and paper version. Poring over old maps, moving markers, and listening to my companions talk around the campfire.
Having spent 100+ hours in the last couple of weeks playing Kingmaker and reading about the mechanics i'm pretty sure RandomSeed has already had his fear come to pass, crane wing and riposte no longer work with everything anyway. It was supposedly patched at some point to work with 1h weapons only as that's what the description for crane wing states and riposte doesn't work without the crane wing effect proccing. I've seen multiple times people state on the reddit board that they don't work with 2h anymore and presume it's the same with 1h+shield.
For all it's obtuseness and bring utterly overwhelmed when I first started playing, now I've started to understand how the mechanics work Pathfinder has gripped me in a way that other CRPGs haven't in years, to the point where I spend hours when I can't play reading about builds and systems so that I can respec my main character to be more effective (my dex scion is a great tank but is utterly mediocre at damage so looking to up that while still being fairly tanky) and am already planning on playing more from my backlog after I complete it, starting with Divinity OS and then OS2 if I still want more CRPG action. Whereas I got bored and dropped out of Pillars 1 after about 20-25 hours, it just felt so completely uninspired to me, from the world to the mechanics.
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Looks like funding has finally slowed down. 50k in 4 days with still another 132k to go. Amazing how far this fundraiser has come though, folks are thirsty for more CRPG's.
Yeah, i dont think we're getting the new race or romance options. Sad, i'd trade them for the extra archetype or orchestral soundtrack (usually play these games on mute, with other stuff on the background) any day
We're absolutely getting the new race and probably the romance options and whatever the next goal after that is. It's slowed down but as Dandy says there's 19 days left and the last 48 hours usually gets a decent boost. I'd be surprised if it reached 2 million now but 1.6 is still easily attainable. After the first week Kingmaker averaged 10k a day and pulled in 200k in the last 48 hours. Wrath has been much stronger and still retains a much better daily average two and a half weeks in. Even if it only matched Kingmaker for the next 19 days it would still get over 1.6 mil and if it continues as it has then 1.8 is quite possible.
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We're definitely getting the new race and romance options. Almost always there is a substantial bump at the tail end of the campaign. My bet is that the total will end up somewhere in the region of $1.8M.
Just compare the daily progress WotR has had so far:
Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous
A new isometric single-player RPG set in the Pathfinder universe – an indirect sequel to Pathfinder: Kingmaker.
Divinity: Original Sin 2
An epic RPG with turn-based combat, cooperative/competitive multiplayer; sequel to Divinity: Original Sin, Gamespot's PC Game of 2014.
Scrolled down and of course, there is Chris Avellone.
Using this scientific method, I predict it'll end up at $1.8m.
Not sure if successful kickstarters still operate this way, but to my memory it used to be that basically 1/3rd in the first three days, 1/3rd in the middle, 1/3rd in the last three days.
Using this scientific method, I predict it'll end up at $1.8m.
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He participated in the development of Owlcats' previous game as well, and, in particular, wrote Nok-Nok (a goblin companion), who is really cool.
I am unsurprised to hear this. He does good work, for many, many, extra many kickstarter games.
Nah, it all still works. It doesn't show up on the character sheet, but it does in the log when an enemy makes an attack against you.