View: https://twitter.com/Flat2VR/status/1622617596376883203
Pavlov PSVR2 Trailer for those who may have missed it:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSLm7s34g7U
Imagine how good Half-Life: Alyx would run 😩
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Pavlov VR Developer: Game runs 10% faster on PSVR2 than their 3090 Ti PCVR setup
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View: https://twitter.com/Flat2VR/status/1622617596376883203
Pavlov PSVR2 Trailer for those who may have missed it:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSLm7s34g7U
Imagine how good Half-Life: Alyx would run 😩
I suppose no on PC side. It is showing the advantage of eye tracking, foveated rendering and the PS5 flexible scale rasterization. This is the custom functionality for reduce render quality for foveated rendering.
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Magical console optimization strikes again. Lol. "The console uses a much more optimized renderer so your PS5 = 3090ti",.. ok Jan.
Or this all just the fact that you can use foveated rendering and only mostly worry about shading a small part of the image at high resolution.
Hopefully Sony unlocks this for PC or Valve brings foveated rendering to its next headset. Sounds like a game changer.
Or this all just the fact that you can use foveated rendering and only mostly worry about shading a small part of the image at high resolution.
Hopefully Sony unlocks this for PC or Valve brings foveated rendering to its next headset. Sounds like a game changer.
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nVidia has VRSS 2 with dynamic foveated rendering at driver level that can be used with Pavlov from my quick Google search.
It's in my list of day one buys with VR 2, I've heard great things.
Until newer PC headsets come out that utilize Eye Tracking+Foveated Rendering, looks like PSVR2 really will be ahead of the curve, if only by a bit in comparison to high end PC's.
This bodes very well indeed.
I think PSVR2 games are gonna be such a quantum leap more advanced than PSVR1, and I can't wait.
I think PSVR2 games are gonna be such a quantum leap more advanced than PSVR1, and I can't wait.
Very impressive, I didn't realize this was coming to PSVR2 but that's great that it is. It's one of the best VR games on PC IMO, I've been playing it on PC for a while.
I also am a little surprised Valve hasn't offered to buy it and make it "Counter-Strike VR" but maybe they have and were turned down, who knows.
I also am a little surprised Valve hasn't offered to buy it and make it "Counter-Strike VR" but maybe they have and were turned down, who knows.
My guess is the more demand on the GPU the more a 3090ti would pull ahead of the PSVR2, even with foveated rendering. It's literally 3 times the power of a PS5. And who knows how DLSS will play out in VR... are there any games that use it?
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Love how everyone has jumped straight to it being because of ETFR but the dev said it was because
Good news though, they also said
So at this stage it's possible they're not even using ETFR.
Which basically sounds like it's faster because there's less overhead than running on PC.
Good news though, they also said
So at this stage it's possible they're not even using ETFR.
I don't think there haven't been enough demanding games for them to prioritize current DLSS versions with VR games. Most of the AAA-caliber PC VR games came out during the 10 and 20 series gen, right?
Hence why PSVR2 will need to be a miracle to bring that back again.
And people still think the PSVR2 is overpriced. This is the reason Sony went the route they went with eye tracking and foveated rendering.
PS5+PSVR2 seems a lot cheaper than a 3090ti PC+headset to me.
PS5+PSVR2 seems a lot cheaper than a 3090ti PC+headset to me.
True. Even the most demanding VR games tend to be... well not very demanding, targeting high refresh rates.
Well I'm hopefully for foveated + ray tracing to make much more convincing environments in VR. There was another promising technology that I don't see talked about much but I think Sony or maybe Meta was workign on... something to do with lenses and focusing on objects... I need ot look it up.
Well I'm hopefully for foveated + ray tracing to make much more convincing environments in VR. There was another promising technology that I don't see talked about much but I think Sony or maybe Meta was workign on... something to do with lenses and focusing on objects... I need ot look it up.
You won't need a 3090ti PC to do as well or better than a PS5 with headset though... so long as there is a PC headset that supports foveated rendering, which is not the case right now, as far as I know. But that will change.
Eye tracking and foveated rendering sound like such a game changer. I need it to be Feb 22nd already! I havent felt this hype in a long time
It's been the thing I've wanted to see since the DK2, was mostly just talks of how it's possible and etc, but nice to see it actually hitting headsets now with PSVR2 and Meta Quest Pro
Because it's nonsense. IT's the same dumb thing that has been said about consoles since the 360 days.. mind you, early in that gen it was true, but after DX11, that's just not relaly the case.
The overhead is pretty small these days, and the only devs that can take full advatage tend to be first party with a lot of engineering resources at their disposal.
I mean, just look at the results. Can you point to a genral trend of games performing as well on a PS5 as they do on a 3090ti? Or heck even one game? Nah, they tend to perform at right around a 2070 or 2070 super... just as you'd expect given the hardware. Some first party titles can manage performance slightly above that in pure rasterization -> but add DLSS and or Ray tracing and games can't even perform as well as a 2070 on a PS5 at that point.
Indeed! We've seen talk about the PS4 APIs being more performant than the DirectX ones because of bookkeeping (if memory serves) and with PS5's SDK apparently being an extension of the PS4 one it makes sense that they're getting more performance on that platform vs PC.
Worth noting that the chat was also talking about Pavlov being CPU heavy, no idea what they've paired their 3090Ti with but the suggestion was it was important:
Obviously PS5 has a very capable CPU so makes sense that's not a bottleneck. Please note, that last quote was from a user, not a dev.
You're in a thread where the developer of the game is saying they're getting more performance out of a PS5 build of a VR game than they are their PC with a hefty GPU. Users of the game have suggested it 's CPU heavy and I have no idea what CPU the devs are using. You should take them to task, not me, I'm just filling the gaps on what they said :)
You seem to be upset that the dev making a remark about their current build performance as a personal insult to your platform.
"dev" can mean game pad input scripter, or 3d modeler, or quest programmer, or AI engineer, or any number of thigns that don't have to do with optimizing the 3D rendering pipeline.
He says he "guesses" it's because x y and z. Not that It actually IS BECAUSE of that.
Uhm... I'm upset? Are you here? Are you watching me on my webcam? What';s going on here?!
Dude, I'm not upset. I'm pointing something out. The fact that you assume I'm upset speaks volumes about where you're actually coming from.
How about you do a little research as to who the person is who is being quoted (hint, Pavlov started with a single dev before becoming a team). And again, take your argument up with them, not me.
He explicitly confirmed 3090ti.
He said that Pavlov runs about 10% better on PSVR2 than on PCVR so someone asked what GPU he meant when saying 10% better than PCVR and he replied saying a 3090ti.
This was your first response and a dumb take without all the information:
And no one here actually thinks the PS5 gpu is better than a 3090ti.
How you worded this doesn't really help your point of not being upset tbh
Most games that hit 60fps on PS5 will hit 120fps on a 3090 Ti. And PSVR2 does not contain a secret GPU that will double PS5's performance.
If PSVR2 games are showing even better performance than a 3090 Ti it can only be down to ETFR or a lower internal rendering resolution being used before reconstruction. Because there's no example of any non-VR game that gets close to 3090 Ti performance on PS5 (or XSX).
I find the FR tech truly fascinating though. I still can't fathom how it can keep up with the speed of your eye movement but the hands-on CES experiences suggest it absolutely does. Which is incredible really.
I'm not taking his "argument", which is hardly that, again, by his own words, are just a guess\, anywherw with you.
I'm pointing out facts. PS5's do not perform anywhere close to a 3090ti, nevermind 10% better. So no, the difference in performance theya re seeing is probably (99%) not stemming from some inherent magicla optimization on consoles.
Foveated rendering and a title that isn't very demanding on a GPU are the likely reasons why.
What does bookkeeping mean in reference to APIs? I should research these technicalities in order to get a better grasp at the what's being discussed.
I doubt they paired a 3090TI with some paltry CPU, but my guess is as good as yours.
I wonder what's the player limit for Pavlov on VR 2?
MP with Players and or bots, it's also FINALLY getting matchmaking system too