PC Gaming ERA | July 2019 - Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of RICHAAAAAAARD!

Chairmanchuck

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Oct 25, 2017
4,091
China
Just saw that:

Valve: "here are experimental fearures we are working on, you can try it now"
twatter circlejerk: "it has bugs ","its shit ", "you are ruining it"
Its funny. Valve is actually the only one even trying to think about such discovery features and even asks for feedback. E-Shop: None. PSN: None. Xbox Live: None. GoG: None. EGS: None. itch.io: almost none.

People can never be happy apparently.
 

apathetic

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Oct 25, 2017
662
I got a lot of games already on my wishlist and/or games that I've already beaten elsewhere. So guess that's a good system?
 

Hella

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Oct 27, 2017
12,153
The new rec engine lead me to this:

So it's alright. Wish I knew about it during the sale, actually--I would've gotten it.


But Sakura Clicker is somehow the most popular recommendation game which baffles me. I guess the free-to-play tag is overwhelming every other metric.
 

powi92

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Jun 27, 2019
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Does the ignore button on games negatively affect their visibility for others? If so I'd like a button that's for games I already own on other stores.
 
Nov 1, 2017
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Been playing FFXIV since right before the expansion came out. The MSQ in ARR destroyed my will to play and i dropped it twice. This time, I think i'm hooked and already about to start Stormblood.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Been playing FFXIV since right before the expansion came out. The MSQ in ARR destroyed my will to play and i dropped it twice. This time, I think i'm hooked and already about to start Stormblood.
After the main climax of ARR, the fetch quests just become relentless and fucking awful. It was obviously because they were a very limited team and were working on Heavensward pretty hard, so couldn't dedicate much resources to keeping MSQ patches interesting, but my god its bad. Go to the Waking Sands, talk to NPC, go to objective, talk to NPC, go back to Waking Sands, over and over.
 

Jasper

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Mar 21, 2018
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Netherlands
It's not half bad, but I wish you could add/combine multiple filters. Filter out all of anime, multiplayer, platformer and free-to-play, for example. All my hours of Rocket League trick the system into thinking I have space in my life for more multiplayer games.
 

Gelf

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Oct 27, 2017
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I got a lot of games already on my wishlist and/or games that I've already beaten elsewhere. So guess that's a good system?
Surely an algorithm suggesting games that it has no way of knowing you already played elsewhere means its working because it correctly identified games you'd like.
 

Wok

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
2,025
France
i think a big weaknes of the system is that it seems to only take into account play time, rather than "liked time". Theoretically, i wouldn't have spent 40 hours playing GTA4 if I hated it, but, welp, humans are stupid and I did. Just because I played Skyrim for 5 times as much time as Dead Space doesn't mean i like it more. And if it's just matching it up with people who also spent 100 hours on Skyrim and 20 hours on Dead Space, that doesn't mean we like the same stuff, it just means we played the same games.
It may be acceptable if you think of the recommendations as "games which you might play" rather than "games which you might like".

It's the multiplayer vs singleplayer time fallacy - you could probably nearly directly correlate a player's time in a multiplayer game with the amount they were engaged by it, but a lot of people play single player stuff to the end regardless of quality (unless they absolutely hate it), so long games just mean longer play times...but I might have LOVED, say, Gone Home for all its 2 hours.

I'm not sure how one would account for this. I would guess that single player games have really distinct MODE averages, with a cluster at the low hour count (1 - 2 hours) and then another high mode at the MEAN completion time. How does one filter that out to determine like-itude?
I have found this post. It is unclear, but at least, we learn that playtime is normalized with respect to some per-game reference, be it a mode, mean median, etc.

Play-time information is normalized based on the distribution of per-game play-time, so that games with intrinsically different play times are on an equal-footing as far as the model is concerned.

[...]

We actually take into account the full distribution of playtime for a game, not just an average or median value, but that's basically the idea.
 
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Jasper

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Mar 21, 2018
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Netherlands
I have found this post. It is unclear, but at least, we learn that playtime is normalized with respect to some per-game reference, be it a mode, mean median, etc.
Oh, so that's why The Turing Test keeps popping up so high for me. I think the algorithm sees my playtime in Portal (3 playthroughs) and correctly assumes I love that game.

With my current filters, 5 out of my top 10 I've played on other platforms (GOG/PS4), 4 are platformers (please let me filter these out ugh) and 1 is The Turing Test, which I came very, very close to buying during last sale. So good job, but please let me filter out platformers lol.
 

WarRock

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Oct 25, 2017
5,915
Oh, so that's why The Turing Test keeps popping up so high for me. I think the algorithm sees my playtime in Portal (3 playthroughs) and correctly assumes I love that game.

With my current filters, 5 out of my top 10 I've played on other platforms (GOG/PS4), 4 are platformers (please let me filter these out ugh) and 1 is The Turing Test, which I came very, very close to buying during last sale. So good job, but please let me filter out platformers lol.
Exclude tag ->platformer
 

Teeth

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Nov 4, 2017
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It may be acceptable if you think of the recommendations as "games which you might play" rather than "games which you might like".



I have found this post. It is unclear, but at least, we learn that playtime is normalized with respect to some per-game reference, be it a mode, mean median, etc.
I saw you posted in that thread. It's a good question.

One thing I noticed in my recommendations - I have very high play times for the Deus Ex games, because I like them. In the suggested games, i have 2 recommendations for games that have 'Deus Ex' in their titles, but are not immersive sims or linked in any way to the Deus Ex series.

Which makes me wonder if the algo takes the name of the game into account? Which seems misguided.

Might just be that Deus Ex fans have picked these games when searching for Deus Ex games...but even that seems odd.
 

Mentalist

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Mar 14, 2019
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I don't see the algorithm doing a good job for me. I got 1300 hours in age of Empires 2 HD, 130 hours in Sekiro and then 90-60 hours in Metro, the Arkham Games, Shadow of Mordor, and Mankind divided, and then decreasing numbers in everything else (primarily imsims, 3d RPGs and Action Adventure games).

Still, I'll probably try it out sometime next week when I actually have time.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I got a lot of games already on my wishlist and/or games that I've already beaten elsewhere. So guess that's a good system?
Yeah? If it’s on your wishlist it assumes you’re interested in it, and if you beat it elsewhere it has literally no way of knowing that, but since you already played it, then presumably you were interested in that game. Not bad!
 

Wok

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
2,025
France
I will give an overview of my results with the most extreme settings.
The "popular" recommendations are as expected, which is nice.
The "niche" recommendations are so "niche" that I only know one in the top 3, which makes the algorithm pretty useful.

Edit: And the library is filtered out in real-time! I have added to my account Wequer, which is a free game, and it disappeared from the recommendations.

 
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Clara

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Oct 25, 2017
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What else like Stardew or Forager is out there? Something with an addictive gameplay loop with multiple interconnecting systems and no fail states. I have my eye on My Time at Portia but was curious about other options.
 

Iggy

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Oct 27, 2017
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What else like Stardew or Forager is out there? Something with an addictive gameplay loop with multiple interconnecting systems and no fail states. I have my eye on My Time at Portia but was curious about other options.
GRaveyard Keeper has what you describe. However, know that it's less free-form than Stardew Valley (there are designated areas for graves and crops and logs, and you can't build them outside of these areas). Also, the scenario is a bit more robust, and it's closer to an RPG where you unfold the quests in order to reach the conclusion of the game by mastering each system that nicely flow into each other. No fail state as well.
 

WarRock

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh, I falsely assumed all the tags were present in the drop down menu, sorry.

Weird that is not the case
 

apathetic

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Oct 25, 2017
662
They announce it as experimental and ask for feedback. I mean its a beta.

Also how would Steam know you beat those games somewhere else already?
Surely an algorithm suggesting games that it has no way of knowing you already played elsewhere means its working because it correctly identified games you'd like.
Yeah? If it’s on your wishlist it assumes you’re interested in it, and if you beat it elsewhere it has literally no way of knowing that, but since you already played it, then presumably you were interested in that game. Not bad!
....I wasn't saying that ironically. Seems like a good system as it suggesting me things that I think I would like/do like. Sorry for the question mark at the end, didn't mean it as a negative but as an open statement.
 

z1ggy

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Oct 25, 2017
1,388
Argentina
Automatic show is great but i would love it to be personalized like:

- Let me choose the VO (female or male)
- Let me choose filters (genre, most positive, etc)
- So basically, let the user choose what they want to watch and then the AI generates it

Dunno if they can do this kind of shit tho
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
17,855
Oman
OK so I set it to show me what were the popular games of the past 10 or so years that may interest me, among the first recommendations


This ish seems to base stuff off of my recent playthrough of RE5.
1- I don't like horror games in general
2- I own a few of those games on GOG
3- It recommends multiplayer games which is understandable due to RE5, but Paladins isn't co-op is it?

Now let's set it to Niche


Some decent choices or picks, but I wasn't too sold on the visuals of a few of these early shown ones.

Next up, New and Popular then Niche

Volvo pls
why are you recommending me a demo :V
Not a fan of First person view puzzle games that much, but the other picks are understandable


I don't care much for a few of the early ones, and i got chook sosig from gog already.
 

BasilZero

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Oct 25, 2017
9,193
Omni
I am loving The Legend of Heroes Tits 1 so far.

I got my ass kicked by a surprise monster encounter but love how you can "Retry" and then escape the battle instead of getting a gameover lol.



Also the speed up mechanics are nice - wish those existed in the Garghav trilogy on PSP.


Also loving the character interactions.

 

bmdubya

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Nov 1, 2017
1,838
Colorado
Played some Bioshock Infinite tonight for the monthly retro, and I forgot how it has one of the best intros ever for a video game. Absolutely love it. Now I'm hooked again.
 

JaseC

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Oct 25, 2017
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dex3108

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Oct 26, 2017
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Hehe

Btw strange thing happened to me. I pre-ordered CP2077 from The Games Collection and PayPal pulled money from my account and reserved it. Yesterday I got message from The Games Collection that they tried to charge me but there were not enough funds. How the hell is that possible if money for that order is reserved on PayPal for weeks? Did anyone had similar experience?