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Ionic

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Oct 31, 2017
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Love how they literally agreed to it, since that hasnt been changed since 2017 IIRC...

If that's be kicking around in the agreement for 2 years somebody might want to mention it over there. That Twitter thread is on fire. I've never seen the agreement though, so I wouldn't know when a clause was added.
 

Hektor

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Epic: literally known to deny good games from being sold because they didn't want to be strong-armed into an exclusive deal

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Valve: having some old, small clause in their legalese that's completely irrelevant because they're historically incredible lenient on everything that's not flat out rapeporn

Indiedevs:
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Jawmuncher

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Betting on the Fortnite PC players to buy games in a few years seems like a tall order. When the majority of kids are playing on mobile.
 

Lashley

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They'll probably paint those telling them it's from 2017 as toxic harassers too
 

Volimar

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Fired up Wolfenstein 2 again to occupy me until I can play Gears 5 and I was practically at the end. so now I'm just twiddling my thumbs again.
 

Lain

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Epic: literally known to deny good games from being sold because they didn't want to be strong-armed into an exclusive deal

Indiedevs:
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Valve: having some old, small clause in their legalese that's completely irrelevant because they're historically incredible lenient on everything that's not flat out rapeporn

Indiedevs:
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Everything to take down that tax with no benefit to devs known as Steam. Even embarrassing themselves publicly on social media, showing how utterly stupid they are.
 

Ionic

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ArjanN

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Honestly I'm not sure I even disagree that the only way to directly compete with Steam is through moneyhatting exclusives. It's more that it sucks for consumers as a practice and I'm gonna hate you if you do it.
 

Endruen

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Honestly I'm not sure I even disagree that the only way to directly compete with Steam is through moneyhatting exclusives. It's more that it sucks for consumers as a practice and I'm gonna hate you if you do it.
What pisses me off is that they are acting with prepotence as if they have the moral high ground and they are saving the PC gaming industry.
 

Kilbane65

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Honestly I'm not sure I even disagree that the only way to directly compete with Steam is through moneyhatting exclusives. It's more that it sucks for consumers as a practice and I'm gonna hate you if you do it.
How is that still a thing that people say... My last 52 Steam games were all bought from other stores: 32 from Humble alone (I'm including bundles and the latest Bamco BYOB).
My email is a compilation of "Thank you for activating your product on Steam" that goes forever until I finally found an actual steam purchase.
 

Rhaknar

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How is that still a thing that people say... My last 52 Steam games were all bought from other stores: 32 from Humble alone (I'm including bundles and the latest Bamco BYOB).
My email is a compilation of "Thank you for activating your product on Steam" that goes forever until I finally found an actual steam purchase.

Because if they weren't steak keys you wouldnt buy them, that's how.
 

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Let us ignore all the terrible anti-consumer issues that EGS has and focus on the fact business is great because apparently in a few years time the kids playing Fortnite will buy games from your store because free games. Also stacks of cash are amazing due to Steam having a curation problem even though it isn't Steam but just game development in general is far easier to access. Also people absolutely rioted against Steam when curation was heavier and apparently now the much easier curation system is just as bad and Steam will never win because of it.

Seriously, these "analysts" throwing in their terrible opinions continue to ignore blatant issues with EGS like regional pricing AND FUCKING CURRENCY CONVERSION, horrendous store design that is actually inhibiting developers from ever being seen (which in turns causes a worse problem then Steam's apparent bloat), manual refunding, no actual forums for support or for knowing why the fuck my game just downloaded 2GB of data (I am going to guess it is an update who knows?!) and of course the clearly fuck you capitalistic approach that Sweeney has by locking the store down and removing games from competitors all while saying it is good for the developer and removing actual competition.

Because, you know, removing competition is apparently not a monopoly but Steam is because it is the de facto (but not actually forced!) PC storefront. But hey, Fortnite kids will float EGS right? I seriously can't wait to see how the hell EGS will turn against the bloat of their store because it has already begun with such a large amount of titles for a terrible storefront design that devs are being ignored due to it. Throw in the fact that Epic's exclusivity deal makes it so you DON'T GET PAID until X amount of sales so Epic makes their money back somewhat, and you'll have developers actually being worse off BECAUSE they have been pushed down to the bottom where no one can see. How is that any good bar some short term cash injection that will likely be burnt out while developing a new game?

There is a lot of bad shit around the EGS and its current trajectory, though most of it surprisingly can be fixed with proper storefront feature sets that Epic so abhorrently pushes against at the moment. Add in proper controller support, multi-purchase orders, automatic refunding, automatic curation handling to a point, forums for support, reviews to actually see why I should buy this game outside of somewhat questionable press at times, efficient storefront design to highlight new or old (I know this is coming "soon") and local currency support so I'm not being fucked in the ass twice even in Australia. Oh and also stop the fucking exclusives so you can actually compete on your dev share cut so we can see whether that is truly what devs will sign up for and not the bags of money (they should, hopefully).

Gosh I hate talking about the EGS in its current form. So much repetition on what has been argued against and for (as some parts are good), yet everyone continues to pile in on the shitty skewed narratives that are hot takes.
 

Micael

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I am absolutely loving all these indie devs that are freaking out about a possible scenario that valve would not allow the game on their store if it is already on some other store, despite this having never happened and just being based on a very poor and mistaken reading of the terms (not what they say at all), while at the same time not caring about the existence of EGS (or praising it a lot of times), a store that literally (the literal kind of literally) does this to indie devs, like they did to the Darq devs.

Oh business inept indie devs, please never change.
 

Mad

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's really bad is that they never bothered reading the documents they signed
I read/knew about paypal updating fees for stuff as soon as they updated them and then people got super angry when they changed them seemingly out of the blue. Like they sent out multiple emails and had their FAQ and tons of other notifications on it its just people are lazy to read about it. Just like with EULAs no one reads them.
Though I mean I would read one for something that affected my financial future but that's just me I guess
 

Jawmuncher

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Why has no one been double checking the info on that term? It's old, if it was what is being applied. I think Valve would've enforced it on actually big fare such as Metro & Outerworlds before bothering with any indies.
 

Kilbane65

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Because if they weren't steak keys you wouldnt buy them, that's how.
Agreed, however I'm addressing the developer's statement:
the reality behind exclusivity is that steam has a monopoly to the point where the only actual way for a new store to break into the market is by buying exclusives. people argue this but then also say they wouldn't buy from epic if the store had feature parity and lower prices
Total bullshit
 

Mad

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Why has no one been double checking the info on that term? It's old, if it was what is being applied. I think Valve would've enforced it on actually big fare such as Metro & Outerworlds before bothering with any indies.

That sounds like a lot of effort and requires some reading

Way too hard
 

devSin

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Oct 27, 2017
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Why has no one been double checking the info on that term? It's old, if it was what is being applied. I think Valve would've enforced it on actually big fare such as Metro & Outerworlds before bothering with any indies.
I'm pretty sure the intent is that you can't give out Steam keys to other sites and not have the Steam storefront release at the same time.

And like you say, it's nothing new. Doesn't have anything to do with Epic or Origin or whatever. They just can't (nor should they) let the Steam client be a vehicle for sales that are all made off-site.
 

grosvenor92

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I've been playing through Recore the last week or two now and the difficulty spikes have made me give up on the game. I was enjoying it but it just got to the point where reloading back to the previous checkpoint was no longer fun. At least getting it through game pass saved me from actually buying it.
 

Jawmuncher

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I've been playing through Recore the last week or two now and the difficulty spikes have made me give up on the game. I was enjoying it but it just got to the point where reloading back to the previous checkpoint was no longer fun. At least getting it through game pass saved me from actually buying it.
Which part in particular? I really enjoyed Recore and don't recall such likes outside not realizing how the tug of war scheming actually worked.
 

Madjoki

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Why has no one been double checking the info on that term? It's old, if it was what is being applied. I think Valve would've enforced it on actually big fare such as Metro & Outerworlds before bothering with any indies.

You think people are still capable of critical thinking when they can just go on and hate?
 

TheTrain

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've finished Darksiders for the second time, there is a really strange bug on the vanilla that blocks the unlock of the achievement if you alt-tab or if you don't start the game as a first when you open Steam. Because of that I had to replay it for the sake of having them unlocked.
This is still one the best ending I've ever seen.

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Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've finished Darksiders for the second time, there is a really strange bug on the vanilla that blocks the unlock of the achievement if you alt-tab or if you don't start the game as a first when you open Steam. Because of that I had to replay it for the sake of having them unlocked.
This is still one the best ending I've ever seen.

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"No. Not alone."

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Oh my god what have I become
Hey man
You dont have to like everything.
It is cool~
 

Armaros

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wonder how many devs are going to double down about it, over admitting they overreacted to something that probably should have paid attention to two years ago.
 

XR.

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Nov 22, 2018
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"No. Not alone."


Hey man
You dont have to like everything.
It is cool~
😏

I had 2,500 games on my wishlist at one point and realized, "I'm never gonna buy or play 90% of these" so I decided to just start from scratch and be more minimalistic from here on out. I've gone through the discovery queue and the recommender tool a lot to find some new games to add, but mostly it's been the ignore list, haha. I've realized I don't care how good some of these games are, because if it's a platformer, visual novel, tower defense, VR, dating sim or hidden object, I'd rather just play something else to be honest. Then there's the huge pile of troll titles as well, of course, which aren't really tagged with something specific.

Maybe it's time to add some tags to ignore, but the thing is I don't necessarily want to block everything. I just want them to be less visible than other things, which the current algorithm seems incapable of.
 
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