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PC port of Catherine used a Github tool
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There's no license so the code is private and no one can use it without the risk of being sued.
Lucky day for the developer I guess.
If there is no license, then I believe under most copyright laws this would be placed under a restrictive license by default.
If you want to GPL/MIT it, you need to include the license file with the code.
If that's the case then the developer is theoretically fucked
But probably not in real life
Exactly this. Just because it's out there, if there's no license it doesn't mean you can just use it.
I mean you can, but if you've written the code you can also go after whoever uses it in court.
Here's a resource from Github on the topic: https://choosealicense.com/no-permission/
I remember in the Shenmue Collection a fan-made tool was used too, am I right?
I doubt anyway the creator of the software has enough money to sue Sega, even if he/she would win.
Wouldn't that depend on it it was copyrighted, or are those things automatic?
It's always interesting to me in these threads where devs use uncited resources made by other people that the only concern there is could only be legal in nature.
Unless I'm misinterpreting something (look if someone is going to jump on me for this no need to insult me just correct me) your link says that the Terms of Service of github allows any public repository to be used by whoever wants to use it in the absence of a license file.
No, what is written there only means that you grant permission to allow the normal github repositories operations.
What is granted to the other users is the following:
In the case of Catherine the source file are included in the Steam release, which means the SEGA/Atlus developers aren't protected by the above license.
Since we don't know how the tool were used why would we talk about anything else?
It's literally the only reasonable concern one may have.
Why should developers reinvent the wheel? This software is publicly available in GitHub, so why not use it? It has no license at all, so they can. This way they have saved lots of time and money.
And they included the original source code. It's a nice way to give credit to the original work.
And they included the original source code. It's a nice way to give credit to the original work.
The problem is that there is a list of bugs, problems, crashes and other issues a mile long.
Just look at the steam forums.
It's an awful port,
I'm not having any major issues with the game, there are some annoying parts, but I'm not sure if it's my controller or not. Since I do see some slow down. For what I payed I'm not too disappointed.
aside from the 30fps issue I'm having no issues at all with it.
Its selling well and theres no way SEGA is expecting it to be a massive seller. Its a 8 year old niche game with a massively overhauled version releasing soon after so a lot of people will hold off.
Limitations and exceptions to copyright are fair-use and such, and commercial use certainly isn't that. Also, having the right to fork is very different from the right to using it in a commercial setting.
IANAL, but its pretty shitty to use unlincensed software like this, also probabbly illegal in most countries.
For Era users that don't work in software:
Open source doesn't mean it's free. Free doesn't mean no cost.
If I did this in my job I would have been fired on the spot for opening up the company to litigation.
I've been checking out other posts more deeply (now I read them from a workstation, not from mobile). I didn't know if there's no specific license, you are not allowed to use the code. I always thought you could make use of the code however you wanted, and you could even include it inside your programs without giving any credit to it, because in the end, you never specified what you could and couldn't do with it.
But I don't see why you would upload anything to GitHub if you don't want anyone to use it. Does not make sense to me.
It could happen that the developer is not familiarized with licenses, and could also happen that Sega/Atlus developers aren't either.
I don't have much idea about licensing and also work in R&D. Dealing with licensing stuff is a pain in the ass. Cause we want (and need) researchers and industry to make use of our resources for free, we always use the MIT license, because as far as I know, it's the less restrictive one, but I'm not even sure about that.
Dealing with all these laws stuff when you are no layer is tedious.
The readme says it's based on the publicly released but unlicensed work of at least two other people, so there's a chain of license violations going on, if you want to get technical about it.
Honestly, the only mistake they made was redistributing it with the game, especially as it seems to be entirely unnecessary for the end user.
Honestly, the only mistake they made was redistributing it with the game, especially as it seems to be entirely unnecessary for the end user.
Excuse me, "fan" made in what sense? What are the devs of the tool "fans" of and what relevance does it have to the news?
Redistributing the source with the game is a clear case of "whoops", though. There's no reason or benefit for them to do so.
Redistributing the source with the game is a clear case of "whoops", though. There's no reason or benefit for them to do so.
Why should fans reinvent the wheel just so companies who can get those licences and official tools can cheapen out or just lose the proprietary shit they made?
I don't like this. They have all the means to get official Criware tools or whatever this is for. Sure they can use tools from github, but the reason they were made in the first place is so people who simply don't have the means to acquire official tools can still do some modding.
Now you're working with the actual source of the game and have to scour github for tools, pathetic XD
The creators will probably feel vindicated and recognized, but I think this practice on behalf of these companies itself is simply shameful.
What does this mean for me the consumer and why should I care?
It's selling really well on Steam so hopefully Atlus sees that demand.
It's selling really well on Steam so hopefully Atlus sees that demand.
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It's ok, at least Sega is really nice with fangames and the fanbase (just look at the Sonic Mania case).
Really different compared to Nintendo using backup ROMs found on internet and then fucking every fangame possible and being as ridiculous as the case with the Smash Bros on EVO.
Really different compared to Nintendo using backup ROMs found on internet and then fucking every fangame possible and being as ridiculous as the case with the Smash Bros on EVO.
Fairly in depth thread on here proving Nintendo didn't
https://www.resetera.com/threads/to...rom-headers-into-vc-updated-dec-1-2018.64755/
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Seriously, it is amateurish at best, they basically used a reverse engineering tool to get the Criware assets they should have total access in the first place, they are not some anonymous modders in the internetz. On the top of that they leave the tool in the game folder -___-
A newly founded port studio called "The Eccentric Ape"
http://t-e-a.net/
https://linkedin.com/company/the-eccentric-ape
Based on the github description it seems to unpack assets from a certain type of game library. That insinuates they used it to get the Catherine assets used in the port such as models and art.
No, it's running at 60FPS. Really it's that many of the animations are keyframed at 30FPS, so they can look a little strange sometimes, especially in the Nightmare stages. It looks more 60FPS in Cutscenes, the landings, and the bar.
Ok, thanks. It still sounds weird that half the game looks like it's running at 30 FPS, the rest looks like 60. I can almost imagine deliberately locking it to 30 using RTSS or something .. for consistency's sake.
And what's the problem with it? Lot of people are talking about it, but I don't understand what's all this fuss about.
And what exactly is this tool doing? Isn't just resource packer/extractor?
And what exactly is this tool doing? Isn't just resource packer/extractor?