PC Racing Sims |OT|

TJP · Nov 29, 2019

marvelharvey said:
Yup. Though I wonder if they recompiled the game with a new build of UE4 and that's where the improved AA came from? Or it's some other PP effect? Either way, I just drove Paul Ricard (the worst aliasing offender) without millions of pixels flickering before my eyes.

That would be an amazing feat as Paul Ricard always looked like crap. If that's fixed, I'll be a happy person. What in-game settings for AA are you using? TSAA or KTAA?

Shaneus said:
Jesus, that handling bug is insane. I'd wager that since they found it, they've fixed it for Automodellista 2 given they're using that engine?

It was one of the first things Reiza fixed whereas SMS couldn't after 4 games.

https://www.racedepartment.com/thre...20-jerez-confirmed.175005/page-6#post-3069171

1- Niels described the bug well in this post - it was fixed by ISI at some point over rF1 development but it was still present in the older code the Madness engine is based on. You could somewhat get around it by plugging inertia values that accounted for the wrong formula, but our car physics had inertia values already set to the correct formula so this was an important bug to fix.

2- Changing the FFB system was less about what was wrong with the native ffb and more about what was right with the simpler Realfeel-like system we´re implementing (basically converting the forces coming through the steering rack combined with a limited number of "hacks" for special circumstances and less room for misconfiguration). In time we will provide more documentation explaining these changes in more detail.

Dijital_Majik · Nov 29, 2019

Heads-up, the HP Reverb is 15% off this weekend in the UK.

https://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=6KP43EA&opt=ABB&sel=ACC

If you're (looking to get) into VR, are within the IPD range, mostly play seated sims, and have a sufficient PC to run it, it's just flat-out incredible. Got one a couple of weeks ago, and honestly it's a huge upgrade in clarity from an Oculus CV1.

Mascot · Nov 29, 2019

Dijital_Majik said:
Heads-up, the HP Reverb is 15% off this weekend in the UK.

https://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=6KP43EA&opt=ABB&sel=ACC

If you're (looking to get) into VR, are within the IPD range, mostly play seated sims, and have a sufficient PC to run it, it's just flat-out incredible. Got one a couple of weeks ago, and honestly it's a huge upgrade in clarity from an Oculus CV1.

My 980ti/6600k combo is no good, maybe?

marvelharvey · Nov 29, 2019

TJP said:
That would be an amazing feat as Paul Ricard always looked like crap. If that's fixed, I'll be a happy person. What in-game settings for AA are you using?

Temporal Epic.

Dijital_Majik · Nov 29, 2019

Mascot said:
My 980ti/6600k combo is no good, maybe?

AFAIK a 1080 is generally stated minimum, with a 1080ti recommended. Might able to get away with a 980ti in AC with some settings turned down and locked 45fps? It's getting on in age and Shader patch FPS optimisations, but honestly couldn't say for sure, and doubly so for other sims as I haven't tested anything but AC and flight sims so far.

Mascot · Nov 29, 2019

Dijital_Majik said:
AFAIK a 1080 is generally stated minimum, with a 1080ti recommended. Might able to get away with a 980ti in AC with some settings turned down and locked 45fps? It's getting on in age and Shader patch FPS optimisations, but honestly couldn't say for sure, and doubly so for other sims as I haven't tested anything but AC and flight sims so far.

I'm more than happy with my OG Rift to be honest. I know any sort of upgrade will mean a new PC, basically.

TJP · Nov 30, 2019

marvelharvey said:
Temporal Epic.

The AA is much better but I'm still having stuttering in some corners that I don't have on any other UE4 games. I suspect the mirrors are stil performance hogs.

One of the many things to like about UE4 is the loading times. In this regard, ACC is simply the best in sim racing.

marvelharvey · Nov 30, 2019

TJP said:
The AA is much better but I'm still having stuttering in some corners that I don't have on any other UE4 games. I suspect the mirrors are stil performance hogs.

Funny you should say that as I've switched the mirrors off too. They look terrible and take up 20% of my GPU. I'm relying purely on the spotter, radar and relative.

Mascot · Nov 30, 2019

TJP said:
One of the many things to like about UE4 is the loading times. In this regard, ACC is simply the best in sim racing.

Ha ha..!

"This food is disgusting, but at least it's really easy to cook".

;)

TJP · Nov 30, 2019

Mascot said:
Ha ha..!

"This food is disgusting, but at least it's really easy to cook".

;)

ACC has its fans and I have to say something nice! I prefer rF2 even as it continues to be a dog's breakfast.

TJP · Nov 30, 2019

marvelharvey said:
Funny you should say that as I've switched the mirrors off too. They look terrible and take up 20% of my GPU. I'm relying purely on the spotter, radar and relative.

The only game I can recall with mirrors as bad as ACC's are Shadow Warrior which eats FPS even without looking at them.

There is a lot of work left in ACC unless Kunos are looking ahead to the CPU and GPU releases of 2025

TJP · Nov 30, 2019

If you like Formula E and a limited number of in-game tracks, rF2 has you covered: https://www.studio-397.com/2019/11/roadmap-update-november-2019/

Those of you on rF2 UI countdown, an opt-in beta for the UI will be released in mid-December, 2019.

Update:
Formula E GEN2 - 2019/2020
v1.37
- Added all 2020 official liveries
- Added top wing camera

Mascot · Dec 1, 2019

TJP said:
If you like Formula E

Does anybody?
Apart from the horrible walled-in 'street' circuits, the lack of noise is like watching with the sound turned off and kills any emotional excitement.
So sad that this is the future of motorsports. Thank god for sim racing where internal combustion will live for ever.

Dijital_Majik · Dec 1, 2019

Mascot said:
Does anybody?
Apart from the horrible walled-in 'street' circuits, the lack of noise is like watching with the sound turned off and kills any emotional excitement.
So sad that this is the future of motorsports. Thank god for sim racing where internal combustion will live for ever.

Hear, hear! I've tried a few times over the years to really get into watching it, but it's just a bit shit. The VRC Formula Lithium in AC can be fun (dedicated circuits are terrible though).

Ona side note, I finally got around to driving the new AC Kyalami mod this morning, and it's just incredible. Very high quality work, and the layout is pretty great, I can see it going into the favourites rotation.

Yu Kigono · Dec 1, 2019

Does anyone have a recommendation for a relatively cheap but good quality Wheel Stand? I want to get into SimRacing but I'm not sure if I want to commit hard enough to get the whole rig with the chair and monitor set-up and everything.

omegasc · Dec 1, 2019

AMS2 Dev update

https://forum.reizastudios.com/threads/reiza-november-2019-development-update.7370/

TJP · Dec 1, 2019

Yu Kigono said:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a relatively cheap but good quality Wheel Stand? I want to get into SimRacing but I'm not sure if I want to commit hard enough to get the whole rig with the chair and monitor set-up and everything.

The Wheel Stand Pro is an excellent choice: https://www.wheelstandpro.com/

I've had one for years and it still looks like it did on the day I bought it.

TJP · Dec 1, 2019

omegasc said:
AMS2 Dev update

https://forum.reizastudios.com/threads/reiza-november-2019-development-update.7370/

The Madness engine always delivers on the graphical front.

Now that Reiza have sorted the issues with the physics calculations, we may get physics to match the visuals. As a backer, I'm very happy with the way AMS 2 is shaping up :)

TJP · Dec 1, 2019

Nvidia users: This might be useful for ACC: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/e4kdyn/nvidias_latest_driver_44141_added_sharpening_and/

"Image Sharpening Support for Vulkan and OpenGL Last month, we introduced a new NVIDIA Control Panel Image Sharpening feature that enables GeForce gamers to improve clarity and sharpness in DirectX titles, and to easily upscale and sharpen. With this new Game Ready Driver, this feature is also now available for OpenGL and Vulkan games. To enable Image Sharpening, open NVIDIA Control Panel and select Manage 3D Settings -> Image Sharpening."

From the thread:

Sharpening with GPU scaling means if you render at a lower resolution, it's first scaled up then sharpened at full resolution (similar to what DLSS does) instead of sharpened at a lower resolution then blown up by the screen. If the sharpening algorithm is smart enough this can produce better final images.

Shaneus · Dec 1, 2019

TJP said:
It was one of the first things Reiza fixed whereas SMS couldn't after 4 games.

Codies bought the wrong company :/

TJP · Dec 1, 2019

Shaneus said:
Codies bought the wrong company :/

If you are talking about Bizarre Creations then I agree 8)

Ian Bell may be a lot of things; shrewd is one such trait.

I believe the deal is akin to the EA and SMS deal - SMS own their tech and CM own the games SMS make.

SMS can make more NFS Shift sim-ligjt games which is exactly what CM are famous for. Pure speculation by me though 8)

marvelharvey · Dec 2, 2019

TJP said:
Nvidia users: This might be useful for ACC: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/e4kdyn/nvidias_latest_driver_44141_added_sharpening_and/

"Image Sharpening Support for Vulkan and OpenGL Last month, we introduced a new NVIDIA Control Panel Image Sharpening feature that enables GeForce gamers to improve clarity and sharpness in DirectX titles, and to easily upscale and sharpen. With this new Game Ready Driver, this feature is also now available for OpenGL and Vulkan games. To enable Image Sharpening, open NVIDIA Control Panel and select Manage 3D Settings -> Image Sharpening."

From the thread:

Sharpening with GPU scaling means if you render at a lower resolution, it's first scaled up then sharpened at full resolution (similar to what DLSS does) instead of sharpened at a lower resolution then blown up by the screen. If the sharpening algorithm is smart enough this can produce better final images.

I wonder if this is what's contributing the ACC's improved image quality?

TJP · Dec 2, 2019

marvelharvey said:
I wonder if this is what's contributing the ACC's improved image quality?

It's on by default so anything is possible. I have to complete a bit more research into it.

TylerDurden4321 · Dec 2, 2019

omegasc said:
AMS2 Dev update

https://forum.reizastudios.com/threads/reiza-november-2019-development-update.7370/

Best preview footage so far. Physics-wise especially.

TJP said:
Now that Reiza have sorted the issues with the physics calculations, we may get physics to match the visuals. As a backer, I'm very happy with the way AMS 2 is shaping up :)

If you're refering to the inertia/angular momentum... I don't want to do a complete calculation here, but take a car that weighs 1300kg with fuel and driver... the unsprung mass maybe about 60kg. The outer corners of the unsprung mass are maybe 1.2m away from the CoG (2.4xxx meter wheelbase).
Then the correct calculation would 1300kg * (rest of angular mass formula) - 60kg * 1.44 m² [<--1.2m squared]
And the SMS incorrect way was 1300kg * (rest of angular mass formula) - 60kg * 1.2 m² [forgotten to acutally square 1.2m]
60*1.2=72 is about 5.5% of 1300 and 60*1.44=86,4 is about 6.6% of 1300
That's 1.1% difference in yaw acceleration... I doubt people can actually feel that.

The "too complex to figure it out entirely"-tire model is the real physics problem of the madness engine imo.

TJP · Dec 2, 2019

TylerDurden4321 said:
If you're refering to the inertia/angular momentum... I don't want to do a complete calculation here, but take a car that weighs 1300kg with fuel and driver... the unsprung mass maybe about 60kg. The outer corners of the unsprung mass are maybe 1.2m away from the CoG (2.4xxx meter wheelbase).

TylerDurden4321 said:
Then the correct calculation would 1300kg * (rest of angular mass formula) - 60kg * 1.44 m² [<--1.2m squared]

And the SMS incorrect way was 1300kg * (rest of angular mass formula) - 60kg * 1.2 m² [forgotten to acutally square 1.2m]

60*1.2=72 is about 5.5% of 1300 and 60*1.44=86,4 is about 6.6% of 1300

That's 1.1% difference in yaw acceleration... I doubt people can actually feel that.

The "too complex to figure it out entirely"-tire model is the real physics problem of the madness engine imo.

While I'm sure your maths skills are excellent in calculating the margin of error both ISI, Niels H and Renato of Reiza all thought it was a significant issue and corrected the mistake.

SMS have a history of sloppy code (e.g. fuel tanks located outside of the cars in Shift, errors carried over from GTR 2, borked controller setttings in pCARS) so it may also be something with the tyres too.

Shaneus · Dec 2, 2019

TJP said:
fuel tanks located outside of the cars in Shift

wat

PS. I know I've been out of the scene for quite a while, but it's great to see that Niels is still involved with Reiza.

PPS. Did anyone here ever play (the horribly named) KartKraft? It always looked great and it still kind of astonishes me that there's a track from my little podunk hometown that makes appearances in let's plays and such.

TJP · Dec 2, 2019

Shaneus said:
wat

PS. I know I've been out of the scene for quite a while, but it's great to see that Niels is still involved with Reiza.

PPS. Did anyone here ever play (the horribly named) KartKraft? It always looked great and it still kind of astonishes me that there's a track from my little podunk hometown that makes appearances in let's plays and such.

Not to sure if it's available, the NoGrip Community Patch for both Shift and Unleashed had a multitude of fixes from errors found in GTR 2 to correcting fuel tanks located outside of the cars.

Add in the physics calculation error with the ISImotor 2.0 build means lots of fun.

I was a beta tester for KartKraft! Not sure what happened as the beta was open for 5 minutes and the forums were dead. I did get a free copy of the full release out of it.

The initial release was a typical UE4 sim; horrid in-game graphics and an amazing photo mode.

It's so much better now and outside of MotoGP '19 is the best use of UE4 in my humble opinion.

Let's hope AMS 2 can avoid the issues associated with the albeit fun SMS games.

TylerDurden4321 · Dec 3, 2019

TJP said:
While I'm sure your maths skills are excellent in calculating the margin of error both ISI, Niels H and Renato of Reiza all thought it was a significant issue and corrected the mistake.

SMS have a history of sloppy code (e.g. fuel tanks located outside of the cars in Shift, errors carried over from GTR 2, borked controller setttings in pCARS) so it may also be something with the tyres too.

Well, if you have a long wheelbase (like formula cars) and the weight of the sprung mass is lower without the unsprung mass being a lot lower (and while a formula car's unsprung suspension parts might be very light, the tires are pretty heavy), the percentage would be significantly higher, meaning especially open wheelers would suffer turn-in sluggishness while also being harder to catch in a slide.
So of course Renato and Niels are right that it's a bad mistake and I could see SMS cheating with the formula tires to fix the problem to some degree instead of second guessing code they've taken over from rFactor. But again... I think in most cars this wouldn't be noticeable.

Shaneus said:
wat

PS. I know I've been out of the scene for quite a while, but it's great to see that Niels is still involved with Reiza.

PPS. Did anyone here ever play (the horribly named) KartKraft? It always looked great and it still kind of astonishes me that there's a track from my little podunk hometown that makes appearances in let's plays and such.

I bought it in the Steam summer sale and played it for maybe 4h. While I wouldn't say it ran perfectly, it looked fantastic and the physics seemed to be better than KartSim for rF2 and as close as AMS to what I remember from real life karting in rental karts (maybe rF2's Junior Kart is still the closest to my experience). I would like a lower power kart in that game to compare it better.

Anyway, I was really surprised how good that game was and I feel like I paid too little. Should they ever make DLC, I'd definitely buy it and dig more into the game when I have the time and they have a little more content.

TJP · Dec 3, 2019

iRacing patch/update notes: https://pastebin.com/jmS8hMjH

AI releasing today!

Feedback from Reddit:

Well i raced at the nurburgring track, which is notorious for bad fps. I had to lower a lot of settings, everything to low except objects. Crowds had to be turned off. Shaders at medium, only two cockpit mirror etc to get somewhat stable 80fps. But then again i race in vr, so your mileage may vary. As referance i have a 6700k and gtx 1080

TJP · Dec 4, 2019

Hard to believe this is rF2 in-game with the Yebis post processing on:

Dijital_Majik · Dec 4, 2019

RSS GTM Bayro released

TJP · Dec 4, 2019

iRacing AI testing:

TJP · Dec 4, 2019

Dijital_Majik said:
RSS GTM Bayro released

Dijital_Majik · Dec 4, 2019

TJP said:

Sounds incredible

TJP · Dec 4, 2019

AC - DRM revival mod is currently 50% off: https://www.drm-modding-team.com/

Check the website for the code.

TJP · Dec 5, 2019

ACC Intercontinental GT DLC track previews.

Laguna Seca:

Mount Panorama:

TJP · Dec 5, 2019

rF2 - New BMW M2 Pay to Download Content

Blog post: https://www.studio-397.com/2019/12/bmw-m2/

TJP · Dec 6, 2019

TJP said:
rF2 - New BMW M2 Pay to Download Content

Blog post: https://www.studio-397.com/2019/12/bmw-m2/

Whilst it's geared with stupidly tall gears, it's a load of drifting fun.

TylerDurden4321 · Dec 6, 2019

TJP said:
Whilst it's geared with stupidly tall gears, it's a load of drifting fun.

I think this car has some weird power band, so the gearing makes sense again.

Just tried the car for maybe 90 minutes... it really is pretty da,m easy (and fun) to get just the right amount of yaw-angle out of corners. Maybe TC is not off entirely when turned to 0. Hmm, I should have checked (can you check this in rF2? I don't remember).

TJP · Dec 6, 2019

TylerDurden4321 said:
I think this car has some weird power band, so the gearing makes sense again.

TylerDurden4321 said:
Just tried the car for maybe 90 minutes... it really is pretty da,m easy (and fun) to get just the right amount of yaw-angle out of corners. Maybe TC is not off entirely when turned to 0. Hmm, I should have checked (can you check this in rF2? I don't remember).

The TC for the BMW M2 is

0 = Off

1 = Setting for dry conditions

2 = Setting for rain conditions

There aren't any other TC settings or steps to the TC unlike the GT3 cars that I can fild. Unless you have TC set as an overall assist, you should be on your own to handle the traction or to drift like a maniac.

I'll be interested to read what others think of the M2 vs the 235 Cup car from the VLM series in R3E.

Mascot · Dec 7, 2019

Update for Bernese Alps

https://www.racedepartment.com/down...nese-alps.26604/updates#resource-update-52956

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Here's the link to the track for anyone who needs it - it doesn't include the recent update above, you'll still need to install that too. Don't forget to replace the kn5s with the ones in the stFlow zip folder if you want animated chopper blades.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/7p1eveijjrlqd02/alps_v1.8_final.7z

(track also available on Legion's blog)

ODD · Dec 7, 2019

We should make a balloon racing game with racetracks underneath them.

TylerDurden4321 · Dec 7, 2019

TJP said:
The TC for the BMW M2 is
0 = Off
1 = Setting for dry conditions
2 = Setting for rain conditions

There aren't any other TC settings or steps to the TC unlike the GT3 cars that I can fild. Unless you have TC set as an overall assist, you should be on your own to handle the traction or to drift like a maniac.

I'll be interested to read what others think of the M2 vs the 235 Cup car from the VLM series in R3E.

Ah, thanks for the TC info.

I bought the R3E Premium Pack on Black Friday, but am yet to drive the M235i and likely won't have the time in the next 2 weeks either. It's on the top of my list of cars I'm eager to try out in R3E. Out of the few cars I've tried so far, I was disappointed with the Caymans and older Porsches... all of them. Most fun car outside of the cars I owned before already was the Evora GT4 so far... it's extremely pleasant to drive it hard in R3E, fantastic car.

TJP · Dec 8, 2019

TylerDurden4321 said:
Ah, thanks for the TC info.

I bought the R3E Premium Pack on Black Friday, but am yet to drive the M235i and likely won't have the time in the next 2 weeks either. It's on the top of my list of cars I'm eager to try out in R3E. Out of the few cars I've tried so far, I was disappointed with the Caymans and older Porsches... all of them. Most fun car outside of the cars I owned before already was the Evora GT4 so far... it's extremely pleasant to drive it hard in R3E, fantastic car.

What's wrong with the Porsches? Alex H has seat time in all of them along with a few special testers so they are accurate.

TylerDurden4321 · Dec 8, 2019

TJP said:
What's wrong with the Porsches? Alex H has seat time in all of them along with a few special testers so they are accurate.

Too many things and I don't have time to get into any details in a longer post at the moment. It's mostly about understeer. And for the record, I don't believe it has anything to do with S3 not having done their homework and entered badly fudged data when they modeled the cars.

Guaraná · Dec 8, 2019

yep...

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/banana.29976/

ODD · Dec 8, 2019

*Guaraná said:
yep...

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/banana.29976/

TJP · Dec 9, 2019

*Guaraná said:
yep...

https://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/banana.29976/

Although I've never ridden a banana, clearly this is simcade as I can tell just by the video /S

I really do love the modders in AC; the blue Falcon from f-zero was hilarious, then the ride on mowers & now a banana. I hope the folks at Wreckfest see the video.

Mascot · Dec 9, 2019

More witchcraft.

TJP · Dec 9, 2019

Mascot said:
More witchcraft.

Mascot said:

The first YT comments sums the video up nicely: "I genuinely have no words. I haven't seen flexing like this since the Tacoma Bridge collapsed".