Just when you think Ilya couldn't possibly add anything new... legit gobsmacked
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Just when you think Ilya couldn't possibly add anything new... legit gobsmacked
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Kunos HQ.
Ilya is single handedly adding features never thought possible by Stefano and making AC run better than the vanilla version without the additions.
AC remains the most popular sim largely because of the additions too.
If they modeled more instruments get some map makers onboard, they could sell this to driving school. Maybe bundle it with a G29 and rework the clutch (ingame clutch as well). I'm not even joking... I think.
Given the Codemasters ethos of releasing half finished games and adding the rest as season DLC, he should fit right in.
None of the current sims have a compelling career mode; I'd look to a CM F1 release for a decent career mode.
pCARS 2 has a so-so career mode, AC's is even more spartan however with Content Manager and the shader patch with SOL should make it more interesting.
Way too much to list
- GTR4 car class - Added BMW M4 GT4
- GTR4 car class - Added Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 Clubsport
- GTR3 car class - Added Porsche 911 GT3 R (2019)
- Group 4 car class - Added BMW M1 Group 4
- Added a new car class - Porsche Motorsport GT2 Supersportscar, with the Porsche GT2 RS Clubsport
- Tracks - Added Ningbo International Speedpark with 5 layouts
- Tracks - Added new layout: Nürburgring Grand Prix Fast Chicane, free for all owners of the track.
Content updates:
- DTM 1992 - Updated physics ( Details @ Sector3 forums )
- Touring Classics - Updated physics ( Details @ Sector3 forums )
- GTR3 - Updated physics ( Details @ Sector3 forums )
- GTR4 - Updated physics ( Details @ Sector3 forums )
- Hillclimb Icons - Updated physics ( Details @ Sector3 forums )
- BMW M1 Procar - Updated physics ( Details @ Sector3 forums )
- Performance index values of all car classes have been readjusted (DTM 1992 and Touring Classics are no longer merged)
- Brands Hatch - Updated curbs, advertisement, vegetation
- Gelleråsen Arena - The last turn has been modified, but the starting grid is still located on the old stretch.
- Knutstorp - Updated with 2019 modifications
- Macau - Improved performance
- Mantorp - Updated with 2019 modifications
Fixes:
- Dedicated server no longer loses its settings when the IP address of the hosting machine changes.
- Loads of bug fixes and improvements overall
TJP is right, there is nothing really. The Codemasters F1 games have an actual driver career with 3d modeled persons that got better over the last 3 years mostly, but when we talk about simsin here, we don't really count the F1 games into that, even if they're actually pretty close in terms of physics. And we do talk just about any racing game in here, but the focus is on sims in the closest sense of a simulator, which currently is (mostly!) down to Assetto Corsa, Assetto Corsa Competizione, rFactor 2, Automobilista, iRacing, RaceRoom Racing Experience, Project Cars 2.
Out of those, none have CarPG elements or animations for the career mode.
If you want a good sim that feels great with your wheel, I'd recommend Assetto Corsa and RaceRoom for a start. RaceRoom is partially free as well, and AC is unbeatable value for money if you include mods (get Content Manager for AC for easy mod ) just give it a try.
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More R3E update information:
Physics and Tyres: https://forum.sector3studios.com/in...e-feedback-ai-and-general-developments.14049/
Older content updates: https://forum.sector3studios.com/in...uring-classics-dtm-1992-group-4-procar.14050/
I think the graphics police won't be happy, but for me the trailer captured the right vibe for an F&F game.
Also, I tried the R3E tire model yesterday and reset my FFB as S3 recommended to try their new defaults. It's no rF2 or AMS and not even AC in terms of information and fun, but it's still really good. I liked it a lot. I also think it's pretty close to how a real steering wheel would feel, where rF2 and AMS are a bit too good - unrealistically precise and high fidelity.
Thanks for the replies!
I was really into racing simulators 7 years ago but eventually I didn't feel motivated enough to configure my wheel every time I wanted to race as you can imagine, but I really want to get back into it again.
Back then I did play F1, Assetto Corsa, PCARS, rFactor 2, Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport.
I think I'll check out F1 2020 and Project CARS 2, but how is Forza Motorsport 7?
I found it interesting that the Thrustmaster T300 vs Logitech G29 price difference has become such an issue that he's now the first of the major sim racing YouTubers to revert his recommendation from the T300 towards a G29.
And at 8:10 he's saying that he'd recommend a Playstation over an Xbox because GTS has the better competition and physics than Forza Motorsport. Competition? Sure, that's a no brainer.
But GTS having superior physics over FM? I don't know. Both are kinda good but also terrible in many ways imo.
Who here would clearly say "GTS has the superior physics" like Chris Haye does?
for those with Fanatec Podium DD, this looks like a nice update:
rF2 news: all S397 cars will be updated!!
Time to reinstall some content 8)
Time to reinstall some content 8)
no hint, which aspect of ALL CARS they will update? -.-
imo, S397 could look into what Kunos has been doing over the last year in the physics department and check how well their own cars and tires handle bumps and curbs. This 5-point tire model update from Kunos was a big improvement for ACC and I'm sure the chassis flex stuff they worked out in this new update will do great too.
AI is now available for Mazda MX5 in the today's Iracing patch. No mention of a change to the tracks supported.
Let us remember the 5 point tyre model was in response to cars in ACC having all sorts of issues with bumps and the 1 point tyre model Kunos used at the time was a carry over from AC.
Checking how the cars ride over bumps is where having access to data really pays off versus guess work. Good thing Kunos has a solid relationship with many of the teams they are recreating in ACC.
Modelling chassis flex in mostly ultra stiff GT3 cars is an interesting addition to their engine.
Chassis flex has been a feature in isiMotor for quite some time although I believe it's used for the older race cars and the ISI made kart. No one knows as the S397 made cars have encrypted physics files.
FWIW, rF2 is said to have a much greater tyre 'point' system too and I know the guys from S3 had made a joke of releasing a comment about their '100 point tyre model' to get headlines on RD.
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the version number, of course! :D
I love rF2.
I resubbed to iRacing during Black Friday because my friends did. We are racing the Dallara F3s which were praised a lot. It's fun, but... the FFB just does not communicate a lot to the player. I often have more feedback from my eyes than my wheel, and usually it feels like I am guessing when the tyre passed the limit. The game itself feels a lot better than when I left it about a year or so ago, but they have got to pay a little more attention to the FFB. There are some good points, yes, but most of them are on non-critical things, imho. I don't know if you understand me, of even if I am making sense.
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How's the new tyre model in iRacing?
As for FFB, its so subjective. I found iR okay way back when but I hated the tyre model and never returned.
R3E's FFB has been overhauled and I think it's good but not awesome. AMS is still the best for me and nKP would be second.
As for FFB, its so subjective. I found iR okay way back when but I hated the tyre model and never returned.
R3E's FFB has been overhauled and I think it's good but not awesome. AMS is still the best for me and nKP would be second.
Even visually you can see just how complex rF2's tire model is (this gif is OLD btw) and that their model is far beyond these 3 longitudinal, 1 contact point things many other engines operate(d) with until shortly. At some point you run into problems though, harder to validate, harder to find errors, harder to look behind "subjective" problems that testers have. If you look at Kunos' and Niels's cars, their hit-rate with the physics is super high, looking at more complex stuff like pCARS and rF2, the hit and miss ratio is not very great, especially the early days. The changes Kunos made to the AC tire model over time and toward ACC as well are all still very controllable, formulas not overly complex, dependencies not too hard to keep track of. Same goes for Sector 3; even the cars that aren't particularly good in R3E are still totally fine. I wouldn't say that for pCARS2 and rF2.
I think I understand you. The thing with the FFB is that it's derived from the tire model. That's also why you heard so many people say that the FFB got so much better after the last two big tire model upates in iRacing. What I mean is, focusing on the FFB is focusing on the tire model to maybe 90%.
I wonder why Barry Roland always tries FFB hardware with iRacing foremost.
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as pointed out by Tyler, FFB and tyre model are very interconnected, so I can't say it has improved a lot.
But I did find myself catching some oversteer that I think I'd never would never do before. So there's that.
Barry uses iRacing because that is the sim he puts more hours into, I believe, so he can better tell differences. He usually goes Sebring and - I forgot which car - but it is almost always the same combo. But yes, he might be missing things due to this.
I read somewhere that iRacing keeps FFB at 60 because the engine would need a big big rewrite since it is very old. I don't know if it is true.
rF2 Roadmap update:
Glimpse into 2020
New content:
New UI public beta (opt in)
ALL cars have been updated with new icons and logos compatible with the new UI. (among other things)
Glimpse into 2020
- Competition system, official races
New content:
- Audi R8 GT3 2019
- Circuit d´Azur
- Tatuus TRS FT-60 + free tracks
- BMW M2 Clubsport
- KartSim track pack
New UI public beta (opt in)
ALL cars have been updated with new icons and logos compatible with the new UI. (among other things)
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The people at S397 must have heard the complaints as the Dec roadmap is excellent.
More free content:
NZ tracks have been added - Highlands, Teretonga, Pukekohe, Manfeild and Hampton Downs
Lovely :)
My only disappointment is people who own the DLC such as the Formula E version of Circuit d´Azur or the KartSim DLC don't get a discount on the new additions. An R3E or iRacing style discount would be appreciated S397.
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I've already returned to the older, faster, faithful UI. For me, the new UI seems relatively bug free, but I dislike the flow and the increased number of clicks from boot to race.
Superb content release from S397 though.
I keep getting stuck on closing rF2 as Steam thinks the sim is still running after it's closed.
The UI needs some further testing; it is a massive improvement on the old UI.
Sim Curious?
Try R3E's entire catalogue for free: https://forum.sector3studios.com/in...weekend-and-20-off-during-winter-sales.14171/
Try R3E's entire catalogue for free: https://forum.sector3studios.com/in...weekend-and-20-off-during-winter-sales.14171/
ACC Change log to v 1.2.2:
- Fixed podium visibility in gallery replays.
- Fixed pitcrew animation when only refuelling is selected.
- Fixed brake pads in old savegames.
- Tweaks for Porsche 991II GT3 R FFB vibration.
- Tweaks to overall dirt buildup on the car bodywork and windscreen.
- Fixed Ferrari rim LODs that was causing custom colours to show up incorrectly at a distance.
- MP: increased private server slots for Hungaroring (50) and Zandvoort (34), Silverstone (50), Nurburgring (50), Misano (50) and Barcelona (50).
- Fix for shared memory stopping after a transition.
- Porsche EVO and Huracan EVO Spa aggressive setups updated to mitigate physics-induced vibration on certain DD wheels.
Fontenty is out. Hands-down the best fictional mod track ever created by the human race.
I'm thinking about buying a racing game during the Steam sale. I don't want to spend a lot of money and I'm not interested in online at all, I just want a fun single player experience with lots of content that will work well with my G27.
Currently considering either Assetto Corsa or Project Cars 2. Any opinions on which would fit what I want the best?
Currently considering either Assetto Corsa or Project Cars 2. Any opinions on which would fit what I want the best?
pCARS2 is more of a console worthy complete package, but almost any PC sim fan would recommend Assetto Corsa over PC2. So, get AC with all DLC, then download a user-made menu UI called Content Manager and a shader mod called SOL, which makes the game look MUCH MUCH better and also enables night racing and working headlights and many more things (better skies and skyboxes too).
That and hundreds of very high quality, free mod tracks and cars (though cars can be hit and miss) you can get from RaceDepartment.com.
I'm sure Mascot could have explained it better and given you more and cooler mod content sites, he's our local AC expert.
And give RaceRoom Racing Experience a try. The base content is free and they just had a big physics upgrade. Also, this weekend all content is free to try out.
The question is twofold.
As Tyler has stated, Assetto with the DLC plus all of its various mods are hard to beat as a package presuming you are interested/comfortable with tinkering with mod files. AC will run better on modest hardware.
Project CARS 2 (pCARS 2) in ultimate guise is hard to beat in terms of officially licenced cars and tracks ranging from single seat Formula Ford and karts to Group C monsters, F1 cars and rallycross.
You will need a newish Nvidia GPU (10XX series) to run pCARS 2 at the High to Max presets as its visuals require much hardware and your pretty much SOL on AMD hardware. The same goes for the CPU too for pCARS; the more modern the CPU & with more cores, the better it will perform. If it's an AMD or Intel CPU really doesn't matter as much.
Any of the older SimBin titles and AMS which are based on the isiMotor 2 engine will run on really modest hardware. The visuals are old looking however the content is excellent and plenty of mods are available.
The SimBin bundle has GT cars, WTCC, Caterhams, Radicals plus much more whereas AMS is based on the Brazil 'stock' car - their version of a V8 powered touring car series with some very unique content such as Supertrucks, a V8 Holden supercar and is the 'best' example of what the isiMotor 2 can do.
SimBin: https://store.steampowered.com/sub/18370/
AMS: https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/12010/Automobilista_Ultimate_Edition/
Edit: If you're into sim-light, I see both NFS Shift and NFS Shift Unleashed can be bought for under $10 combined on the EA store. Both games use an earlier version of the graphical engine as pCARS however Shift and Unleashed run on far lesser hardware - e.g a GTX 680 will run either game on their highest settings at 60fps.
Mods exist for both games to add in an extra level of 'simness' - https://bitbucket.org/ermo/s2u_ucp/wiki/Home
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I'd say AMS / AC for the oficial content. And when you feel like trying mods, then both are a good starting point, with AC currently having the most community support, I believe. Get Content Manager for AC. Follow Mascot's posts here :)
Nothing else I can say that hasn't been said by TJP or Tyler.
Nothing else I can say that hasn't been said by TJP or Tyler.
So yeah Assetto Coras is pretty freaking awesome. I love how everything is unlocked and open from the start so I can drive any car on any track I want to. I absolutely love the ghost hot lap feature, heck I could pretty much just compete against msyelf forever and be content with it, but I set up a few AI races too and will be doing a lot of that too.
Well worth the $11 I spent for the complete deluxe version.
Well worth the $11 I spent for the complete deluxe version.
Apropros mods... the AC NSX mod. Tried it when I was new to PC sim racing and loved it (but didn't know shit back then). Then much later tried the 2.0 version of the mod and thought it was very off in the balance and yawing in oversteer without sliding was bad and weird understeer tendencies. Tried the 2.3 version yesterday (revised physics in most aspects) and thought it was really good. Not as good as the one from Niels for rFactor, but about as believable as that car can get in AC imo.