I mean, it's all relative, right? Yes, there are people here who get up in arms at silly things, use "lazy devs" rhetoric etc.. But I'm talking about the overall trajectory of the community compared to something like Reddit, GAF, 4chan and the like.
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PC Version of Phoenix Point (X-Com spiritual successor, crowdfunded game) 1 year exclusive to the Epic Game Store
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I mean, it's all relative, right? Yes, there are people here who get up in arms at silly things, use "lazy devs" rhetoric etc.. But I'm talking about the overall trajectory of the community compared to something like Reddit, GAF, 4chan and the like.
Yeah, that's what I got from reading their terms. When Valve says "don't treat Steam customers as 2nd class citizens" or whatever they mean something like Selling your game for 60$ on Steam and 20$ for Steam keys on your own website.
Yeah, while personally I have no problems buying from any store that offers regional pricing (as EGS does) but this point still stands. ERA is woefully out of touch with the PC gaming at large. There were people in the Halo MCC thread who thought the Windows store was not going to be a problem if Halo was exclusive to it. Thankfully even MS themselves saw the problem there.
This site has a very heavy console bias.
I am sure there has to be a workaround for this. Offer a Epic store version of the game which maybe strips out a couple of bits DLC clothing or whatever (so the version Epic store is selling contains "less content") and can be priced for less.
Shitty PR person gets DESTROYED with FACTS AND LOGIC by forumposter.
Marketing people always think they can "spin" things positively. I've seen it again and again in places where I've worked and other companies.
I've even seen the axing of a popular bonus program spun in a positive light "to improve the services for the customers and make them less confusing".
Nobody bought it of course and they lost customers en masse.
Galyonkin isn't just a pr person. He is the director of publishing for the epic games store.
Back to Phoenix Point for a second, the fact that the devs keep changing their terms for backers clearly signals to me they weren't ready for this level of backlash.
There is definitely some irony where MS figured out to go where the users are instead of forcing the users to come to you.
The EGS may be a big success in the future, but it won't be because of brute force tactics. It will be because it is the better option.
Back to Phoenix Point for a second, the fact that the devs keep changing their terms for backers clearly signals to me they weren't ready for this level of backlash.
There is definitely some irony where MS figured out to go where the users are instead of forcing the users to come to you.
The EGS may be a big success in the future, but it won't be because of brute force tactics. It will be because it is the better option.
The realest thing I have read in this thread. LOL. Never underestimate the ability of the marketing team to overestimate themselves.
It's talking just about steam keys.
At least in EU, sometimes GoG and Steam do some times have different prices, so it also does happen in practice.
I was waiting for him to explain further, but it seems he's explained as far as he intends to.
Same shit as last time
'You misunderstood me heres what I meant'
*says basically the same thing*
Dude is disingenuous as fuck
I would say go ahead and make it, if he explains further you can always update the OP or add threadmarks.
I'm a little busy now, but if anyone else wants to, go ahead, and feel free to quote my tweets etc.
Supposed to start in 5 minutes
"Wednesday March 13th on the Phoenix Point subreddit at 12pm Pacific time, 7pm UK time. We'll update this post with the link when the AMA goes live. "
https://phoenixpoint.info/epic
Link to the AMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0psjl/ama_with_julian_gollop_and_david_kaye/
Hope you guys brought popcorn.
Hope you guys brought popcorn.
I would be very leery of any promises of "further support" considering Gollop's last project, Chaos Reborn, has been left to rot and KS backers didnt get all their promised rewards.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0psjl/ama_with_julian_gollop_and_david_kaye/eig95qe/
Great news! I was disappointed when those stretch goals weren't met.Julian Gollop said:
LOL @ only answering softball questions, don't know what else I expected
Also, having to hand over your bank details to get a refund, what a shit show
Also, having to hand over your bank details to get a refund, what a shit show
Question: Backers who backed the game from China can't even install the Epic Launcher, since Epic Games actively blocks the Launcher there. Why do they have to wait 1 year now because you decided that?
How could I, as a backer, even play the game in China? I could easily do it via GOG or Steam.
daedalus2
Business Guy-1 points·2 minutes ago
We're looking into our options for China right now, and hope to have something to share on that topic soon.
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REALLY A WELL THOUGHT OUT DEAL
How could I, as a backer, even play the game in China? I could easily do it via GOG or Steam.
daedalus2
Business Guy-1 points·2 minutes ago
We're looking into our options for China right now, and hope to have something to share on that topic soon.
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REALLY A WELL THOUGHT OUT DEAL
They answered my question, but I still dont know what their options are:
For China there is GoG, Steam, WeGame.
For China there is GoG, Steam, WeGame.
Lol, backers from China can't even get their game.
What a mess
I guess your option is to wait one year or refund.
Heck, Ubisoft normally has tons of early sales in Ubisoft (as well as discounts before launch) that Steam gets muuuuuch later.It's talking just about steam keys.
At least in EU, sometimes GoG and Steam do some times have different prices, so it also does happen in practice.
"Fortunately, we have a product for people who live in China, it's called shutting the fuck up and waiting a year"
Epic does not, so far as I'm aware, have a 'workshop' like Steam does. Does this affect the sense or extent to which PP will be mod-friendly, and can you clarify further yet how modding is expected to be facilitated?
JulianGollop
LEAD DESIGNER1 point·just now
We will be supporting some limited modding post-release, but it will not come before the first major DLC. We don't know yet what modding support Epic will be providing in the future, but we will provide a custom solution if necessary.
JulianGollop
LEAD DESIGNER1 point·just now
We will be supporting some limited modding post-release, but it will not come before the first major DLC. We don't know yet what modding support Epic will be providing in the future, but we will provide a custom solution if necessary.
Not really. I've seen shady key sites link to it to show how not shady they are, that's about it
Custom solution = share files somewhere and just extract. and in few years, spend 10 hours googling mirrors for mods and fail to find any.
They said they'd add mod support later. New they call it limited modding, whatever that means (doesn't sound too promising, though)
I'm enjoying seeing the question about "what happens to those who backed a higher tier to get DLCs now that they are being given away for free" slowly creep up to the top, continuing to be unanswered, probably because no one thought about this before now. Very well thought out.
Well they have already shown quick money is more important then their promised obligiations.