So its wrong for people to want a forum where they can solely discuss the mechanics, strategies, tech issues and genre elements of a video game? And because of that, they are short sighted? What nonsense.Christ, imagine playing through COD's campaign and finding 0 political relevance, especially after what happened over this past week.
Maybe a lot of people do view COD that way, and I'd say that's a myopic AF way of looking at it, ESPECIALLY this year.
Saying that is like saying FF7 is "just about fun turn based strategy and Tifa's chest!"
Well that just simply isn't true. Are you going to find much GRAPE-relevance in games like PC Racing sims? Because their OT just passed 6500 replies in Hangouts. What about Destiny? One of the most discussed games on ERA and 99% of that conversation is about the games mechanics, story, characters and updates. There is more to discuss than GRAPE-only stuff. Its the reason I joined GAF & ERA and why I spend most of my time in Gaming Hangouts.There are, and they are strictly mechanical, and those conversations usually last one page and aren't interesting until the actual developer are ready to implement changes. Because outside of GRAPE discussion, you basically begin and end at "this is mechanically fun, this is not mechanically fun", end of discussion. Beyond that, it's just rah rah "I'm super hyped for x game that's not out yet, let's all get excited so everything feels more fresh and interesting than it would be because we have no information."
I'd suggest that if you're limiting discussion just that, that forum isn't worth visiting.
Well that just simply isn't true. Are you going to find much GRAPE-relevance in games like PC Racing sims? Because their OT just passed 6500 replies in Hangouts. What about Destiny? One of the most discussed games on ERA and 99% of that conversation is about the games mechanics, story, characters and updates. There is more to discuss than GRAPE-only stuff.
So its wrong for people to want a forum where they can solely discuss the mechanics, strategies, tech issues and genre elements of a video game? And because of that, they are short sighted? What nonsense.
No one is saying you won't find 0 political relevance, its just this new forum will not be the place to discuss it and thats fine. There are topics here on ERA we are not allowed to discuss and that is also fine.
Just asking, do you think reviews should be objective?So its wrong for people to want a forum where they can solely discuss the mechanics, strategies, tech issues and genre elements of a video game? And because of that, they are short sighted? What nonsense.
No one is saying you won't find 0 political relevance, its just this new forum will not be the place to discuss it and thats fine. There are topics here on ERA we are not allowed to discuss and that is also fine.
Well that just simply isn't true. Are you going to find much GRAPE-relevance in games like PC Racing sims? Because their OT just passed 6500 replies in Hangouts. What about Destiny? One of the most discussed games on ERA and 99% of that conversation is about the games mechanics, story, characters and updates. There is more to discuss than GRAPE-only stuff. Its the reason I joined GAF & ERA and why I spend most of my time in Gaming Hangouts.
Can they discuss if games are art?
I guarantee you, if you go into either of those OT's, you will find GRAPE related discussion of some sort. Imagine being banned over discussing it. That's the problem here. Shit, the SF5 OT is mostly about mechanics and matchmaking, but imagine being banned because you wanted to talk about how sexual the characters designs are.
If that sort of discussion is stifled, then yeah, that forum isn't worth being a part of. 100%.
That usually only few people know something about the topic.
But we can talk about games while ignoring parts of them. If we pretend that political messaging doesn't exist we can objectively talk about games without arguments!Games will never be respected as a real artform whilst a large proportion of the audience insists that the right way to talk about them is to ignore all of their substance.
It's better to let that discussion happen so you can weed out the trash. As resetera shows.But this sort of discussion is always stifled. Its just a question of whether you want it stifled by overwhelming toxicity, banning people with the wrong opinions (and as Resetera shows, that doesn't stop the overwhelming toxicity) or just pre-emptively banning political discussions outright.
But this sort of discussion is always stifled. Its just a question of whether you want it stifled by overwhelming toxicity, banning people with the wrong opinions (and as Resetera shows, that doesn't stop the overwhelming toxicity) or just pre-emptively banning political discussions outright.
Imagine thinking that discussing the server tickrate on COD servers is more important than the fact that they decided to gaslight the Highway of Death into being a Russian op.But we can talk about games while ignoring parts of them. If we pretend that political messaging doesn't exist we can objectively talk about games without arguments!
Surely we can talk about how many polygons are used in the latest Call of Duty without having to consider what they're rendering and the messaging of the content?
Just stick your fingers in your ears and enjoy the show.Imagine thinking that discussing the server tickrate on COD servers is more important than the fact that they decided to gaslight the Highway of Death into being a Russian op.
"Just a game about cool guns and explosions".
imagine playing and talking about video games because you like video games.Imagine thinking that discussing the server tickrate on COD servers is more important than the fact that they decided to gaslight the Highway of Death into being a Russian op.
"Just a game about cool guns and explosions".
But the gaming industry doesn't exist in a vacuum.So it's a forum about video games and that's it? Sounds like something that's appealing to people who just want to discuss games and not have public displays of members advertising ways to filter out "GRAPE" threads with internet scripts.
I see it as a great way to keep right wing trolls out as well. That keeps their favorite talking points they have shit opinions on to a minimum as well.
It's better to let that discussion happen so you can weed out the trash. As resetera shows.
Doesn't mean there aren't weeds anymore, but there's less of them.
Its a lot of work for a still shitty result, can you blame people for not wanting to bother with it?
chill!
This is what someone sounds like when they literally pay zero attention to what is happening in the world around them but try to act like they have a level-headed take on a topic.
In America, one side is currently led by a literal white supremacist who admitted to sexual assault. The entire party is based around demonizing minorities.
The other party is not like that.
There is no "both sides."
Educate yourself on the issues.
This is exactly what I'm talking about, you can't tolerate any disagreement without insulting me by implying I'm naive or don't know what's going on, I actually have well informed opinions that go beyond Fox News or MSNBC talking points, people on the right would accuse the left of being baby killers, people on the left accuse the right of being racists fascists and women haters , how long till this goes on till we actually sit at the table and discuss things like resonable people? how long till the insults turn into actual violence? Things aren't getting any better if we keep going down this path
Republicans are nazi trash though, it's fact.This is exactly what I'm talking about, you can't tolerate any disagreement without insulting me by implying I'm naive or don't know what's going on, I actually have well informed opinions that go beyond Fox News or MSNBC talking points, people on the right would accuse the left of being baby killers, people on the left accuse the right of being racists fascists and women haters , how long till this goes on till we actually sit at the table and discuss things like resonable people? how long till the insults turn into actual violence? Things aren't getting any better if we keep going down this path
Okay so you call your republican family members "Nazi trash"? Or other people in real life that are republican? How does that go over?
What about them? No one is saying they can't be discussed they just can't be discussed there. This one site not allowing it is not going to impact anything. Its not going to impact this place (or Twitter or Reddit), if anything it will remove the people you don't want in the discussions here to begin with and will remove the lurkers only here for gaming news and announcements. Everyone doesn't have to view the world through your eyes at ALL times.But the gaming industry doesn't exist in a vacuum.
What about discussions of representation in games and the creation of games? What about the economic impact of things like lootboxes?
What about the impact of AAA publishers on the market, how indie developers can find a voice in the industry?
Both highly relevant and valid topics that this policy would ban.
Pretending that games just exist and nothing else can be talked about regarding how they exist is stupid.
Alright I'll bite.This is exactly what I'm talking about, you can't tolerate any disagreement without insulting me by implying I'm naive or don't know what's going on, I actually have well informed opinions that go beyond Fox News or MSNBC talking points, people on the right would accuse the left of being baby killers, people on the left accuse the right of being racists fascists and women haters , how long till this goes on till we actually sit at the table and discuss things like resonable people? how long till the insults turn into actual violence? Things aren't getting any better if we keep going down this path
Thankfully I don't live in the US and my family members aren't nazi trashOkay so you call your republican family members "Nazi trash"? Or other people in real life that are republican? How does that go over?
Probaby because the tick rates on a ongoing live service game that impacts the enjoyment of a game is more important to the people who actually play it opposed to people mad about a story beat that was discussed for one week and then forgotten. There needs to be enemy forces in games. This time it was the Russians, imo that's better than it always being defaulted to middle eastern people.Imagine thinking that discussing the server tickrate on COD servers is more important than the fact that they decided to gaslight the Highway of Death into being a Russian op.
"Just a game about cool guns and explosions".
great contribution to the conversation, very well done.
One side wants to take away people's rights and the other does not. What rights should we give up to meet in the middle and learn from those who hate others for existing in ways that they hate?This is exactly what I'm talking about, you can't tolerate any disagreement without insulting me by implying I'm naive or don't know what's going on, I actually have well informed opinions that go beyond Fox News or MSNBC talking points, people on the right would accuse the left of being baby killers, people on the left accuse the right of being racists fascists and women haters , how long till this goes on till we actually sit at the table and discuss things like resonable people? how long till the insults turn into actual violence? Things aren't getting any better if we keep going down this path
So a gaming forum that ignores the gaming industry and pretends that games just appear.What about them? No one is saying they can't be discussed they just can't be discussed there. This one site not allowing it is not going to impact anything. Its not going to impact this place (or Twitter or Reddit), if anything it will remove the people you don't want in the discussions here to begin with and will remove the lurkers only here for gaming news and announcements. Everyone doesn't have to view the world through your eyes at ALL times.
Thanks my dude
Probaby because the tick rates on a ongoing live service game that impacts the enjoyment of a game is more important to the people who actually play it opposed to people mad about a story beat that was discussed for one week and then forgotten. There needs to be enemy forces in games. This time it was the Russians, imo that's better than it always being defaulted to middle eastern people.
This is exactly what I'm talking about, you can't tolerate any disagreement without insulting me by implying I'm naive or don't know what's going on, I actually have well informed opinions that go beyond Fox News or MSNBC talking points, people on the right would accuse the left of being baby killers, people on the left accuse the right of being racists fascists and women haters , how long till this goes on till we actually sit at the table and discuss things like resonable people? how long till the insults turn into actual violence? Things aren't getting any better if we keep going down this path
Probaby because the tick rates on a ongoing live service game that impacts the enjoyment of a game is more important to the people who actually play it opposed to people mad about a story beat that was discussed for one week and then forgotten. There needs to be enemy forces in games. This time it was the Russians, imo that's better than it always being defaulted to middle eastern people.
Literary criticism is more than "well the bad guys are from X and this is bad".Probaby because the tick rates on a ongoing live service game that impacts the enjoyment of a game is more important to the people who actually play it opposed to people mad about a story beat that was discussed for one week and then forgotten. There needs to be enemy forces in games. This time it was the Russians, imo that's better than it always being defaulted to middle eastern people.
Ahhh I'm not going down that road with you. I'm sure someone else will bite that bait though.I mean, I'd say that more often than not, AMERICA is the enemy force in COD games.
Selective reading I seeLiterary criticism is more than "well the bad guys are from X and this is bad".
If you honestly are that reductive no wonder you think games talk should avoid political discussion.
Ahhh I'm not going down that road with you. I'm sure someone else will bite that bait though.
There is no discussion of any sort of art form without an understanding of what decisions are made and why. Whether that's tech, script, design, etc. Artificially limiting some of these sections because it causes conflict is arbitrary and frankly won't work.Selective reading I see I didn't say it should be avoided at all costs, I just don't think it has to be mandatory everywhere. Whatever happened to the mind set of "their forum their rules" does that not apply because it's not a forum you like? That place is for a discussion for video games, this place is a discussion of video games & more. ERA was set up to be more than just a video game forum and the PCGaming Forum is not. They can both exist.
I guess time will tell but until then it doesn't sound like a bad idea to have an option you can visit every now and then where it will just be about games. Yeah yeah games are political in nature and I doubt the rules will be as extreme as people make them out to be. But commentary that is going to cause the user base to be at each other throats will be prevented and that is a good thing.Have you heard of No Russian?
There is no discussion of any sort of art form without an understanding of what decisions are made and why. Whether that's tech, script, design, etc. Artificially limiting some of these sections because it causes conflict is arbitrary and frankly won't work.