His position on passing Medicare for All while (until recently) expressing continued support for preserving the filibuster seemed pretty vague to me!
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Pelosi, Schumer, Buttigieg and other Dems have undisclosed meetings on "what to do about Bernie"
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No lies detected.This was in my email inbox, dated today:
Bernie's campaign is spinning this NY Times article by asking people "Do you know how powerful you are?" and saying that establishment Democrats "fear all of us together."
This sounds like some real bullshit to me. They need to stop treating Bernie like he's the problem. Either that, or tell us honestly why they think he is. This sneaking around and trying to undermine him because he's popular is bullshit
Obviously, I'm fine with someone like Buttigieg doing this stuff, since they're running against each other. Naturally Pete doesn't want him to be president. But I'm not thrilled that Pelosi and Schumer are getting involved in the primary on the sly.
Obviously, I'm fine with someone like Buttigieg doing this stuff, since they're running against each other. Naturally Pete doesn't want him to be president. But I'm not thrilled that Pelosi and Schumer are getting involved in the primary on the sly.
Stop blaming everyone else for Sanders own misgiving and short comings in 2016.
He failed, he incorrectly put all his eggs in small rural America when Clinton swept high delegate count states and never had to look back after she cleaned house in the South.
There is nothing in that article that indicates Pete did anything other than meet to discuss party unity. There are no quotes or insights from the meeting itself, the quote from Schwartz is factually accurate and we already know that older and centrist Democrats prefer Biden.
in comparison to candidates who are less vague than him, sure he's more vague. taken as a statement written "Bernie's 'policy' has been vague to say the least" devoid of that context? yeah nah, there's literally no way to spin that.
Im going to hate myself for this, but fuck it, come at me bros...
Considering Bernie has made it a point to be a rogue agent at times, most recently his Fox News appearance, along with the fact that we all know there's a certain segment of his fanbase that literally just want to implode the party (deserving, good faith argument or not), I am not sure why this is surprising.
Its a bit different from whats happening with the freshmen class like AOC and Omar who simply want progressive issues to be fairly considered/pushed within the party paradigm...Bernie's continually been an outsider. Why would establishment dems work with him when he wont with them?
Considering Bernie has made it a point to be a rogue agent at times, most recently his Fox News appearance, along with the fact that we all know there's a certain segment of his fanbase that literally just want to implode the party (deserving, good faith argument or not), I am not sure why this is surprising.
Its a bit different from whats happening with the freshmen class like AOC and Omar who simply want progressive issues to be fairly considered/pushed within the party paradigm...Bernie's continually been an outsider. Why would establishment dems work with him when he wont with them?
Why was Pete Buttigieg there? He's not even in Washington.
As much flak as the Dems get for "keeping out" Bernie, Bernie's one of the front-runners, and was the last guy in the debates with Hillary four years ago. Also Trump was a Democrat and was "kept out," should the Dems have been more welcoming to him? Or do we prefer the GoP model where Trump, pedophile Roy Moore, or Nazi Arthur Jones are all free to run?
As much flak as the Dems get for "keeping out" Bernie, Bernie's one of the front-runners, and was the last guy in the debates with Hillary four years ago. Also Trump was a Democrat and was "kept out," should the Dems have been more welcoming to him? Or do we prefer the GoP model where Trump, pedophile Roy Moore, or Nazi Arthur Jones are all free to run?
What about the far, far, far larger number of people that voted for Bernie in the primaries and voted for Hillary in the general?
Every single article that gets posted by a Sanders fan on this site gets presented as something it isn't so work their fellows into a frothing rage. Eventually the title gets changed to something more accurate and the Sanderistas continue frothing but for completely different reasons. Happens every time.
Oh I know, I was being tongue and cheek with the "for some reason" part. I know exactly why OP presented the article as something it's not and why they titled their OP as such.
Hasn't data shown that a higher percentage of Bernie supporters supported Clinton in 2016 than Clinton supporters supporting Obama in 2008?
Naah, the whole premise of this thread is to sow bad-faith discord.
Heh.
Its clear that the rich donors are nervous about Bernie's (and Warren's) message involving the rich. They don't want someone that will push high taxes on those with tremendous wealth.
Its clear that the rich donors are nervous about Bernie's (and Warren's) message involving the rich. They don't want someone that will push high taxes on those with tremendous wealth.
Aside from Warren, Sanders really seems like the only actual visionary running for president on the left. I would not hesitate to support him come election time if Warren isn't in the running
^This. I was one of the people who voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary and was very angered when he lost and when the 2016 general occurred, I voted for Hillary Clinton. I fully understood that because of how fucked the two party voting system is, no third party would be able to win so I voted for Clinton.
shhhh you'll disrupt the narrative that Sanders himself is one of the reasons Clinton lost
What is "the matter" exactly?
Are you referring to the town hall? To me that seemed like a perfect way to boost his ideas, something politicians on the left in general have trouble doing. It's not on the same level as Beto's or AOC's livestreams, but it's better than just telling people to go to a website.
I believe that's the case, although 2016 also had lower overall turnout than 2008.
Ironically the main topic of the meeting was the nightmare that Super Delegates would bring if they had to make the deciding votes for the nominee and Sanders was one of the finalists.
Already with this garbage again. Poisoning the well for his voters when/if he doesn't get the nom.This was in my email inbox, dated today:
Bernie's campaign is spinning this NY Times article by asking people "Do you know how powerful you are?" and saying that establishment Democrats "fear all of us together."
Could you offer a source for this data?
I certainly believe it. A lot of recent political science indicates that Obama acted as a sorting mechanism for racist whites... including Democrats who on some level hadn't realized until Obama became President that the GOP was the party that stood for whiteness.
Of course, it's his main fuel, but again I've been saying it won't be enough to get him through the primary when there are a dozen other people who aren't named Clinton fighting him with brass knuckles.
"Oh shit, I just realized there's a Democrat running that actually has concrete policy on dealing with the rich. The fact that she's not catching flack for being an asshole really puts a damper on my conspiracy theories, so let me just fold her in like she's even being discussed."
Nope. How would that feed into the
rigged primary narrative??
He wants to be president and accepted a chance to meet with senior party members, presumably. whatever meetings he was in were probably painted as "come talk to us about your campaign."
Look if they wanna seem against him, it ain't gunna be good for them.
I read it. Those undisclosed Democratic dinners give opportunity for Pelosi, Schumer, and Buttigieg to mingle and chat. Not that I'm saying that's what happened, but the fact that during the dinner, Bernie was brought up gives room for pause.
Yeah, seriously, WTF? They could, you know, let the voters decide what to do about Bernie. He's not even the frontrunner, assuming Biden runs.
I just want to see legit polling. If he is doing well, leave him alone. If he's sucking, take him out.
I get the feeling that hes not doing well outside the Era bubble, same as AOC. But I want to see numbers.
I get the feeling that hes not doing well outside the Era bubble, same as AOC. But I want to see numbers.
Again, that's not 'his platform', or 'his party'.
He is not a Democrat -by choice.
So Democrats meeting to support their own candidates is... Agressively normal?
If it was me, you would -have- to be a member of a party for at least a year to seek its nomination.
Crazy, I know.
I mean, they are letting the voters decide. Just like in 2016
They can meet and discuss in private all they want, hatch plans, and reach out to donor. But, none of that really matters when it comes time for the primaries, the people will vote as they wish. If party leadership could actually control votes then Trump would have never been the Republican nominee and Jeb Bush would've been elected President.
I wonder when centrist Dems will stop blaming Bernie for Trump when a vast majority of Bernie voters converted to Hillary, and Hillary won 3 million more votes than Trump in the end. But it seems like people are more focused on their anti-Bernie narrarive than facts, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Please, cite the part in the article that suggests the party elite are going to pull the rug under the voters feet or something.
It's the same type of discussion that likely happened when Trump clearly became a front runner. People are concerned Sanders could torpedo the party if he actually gains power and implements his plans, very much like Trump is doing right now.
People in the party don't like an outsider who constantly attacks the party, news at 11
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