Pelosi to Progressive Colleagues: Stop attacking centrists on Twitter

Helio

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the best part about shit like this are the people who blame "infighting" when the fascists win rather than the fact that the center is more dedicated to fighting the left than it is the right
This here.

Although people should have known that Pelosi, Schumer, and others would not be confronting fascists when they kowtow to the fascist apartheid regime in Israel.
 

JesseEwiak

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the best part about shit like this are the people who blame "infighting" when the fascists win rather than the fact that the center is more dedicated to fighting the left than it is the right
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I'll believe the left is actually interested in beating the fascists politically when they stop appearing on the fascists propaganda network, because they think it's the only reach out to the "true" working class.

Also, the only open fighting I've seen is from leftists attacking centrists for months, and now that centrists, like the 32nd most liberal member of Congress, engages in some sort of pushback, it's the end of the world.

But, I guess that makes sense. We're just supposed to "bend the knee" and let Cornel West, Chapo Trap House,, and Glenn Greenwald take over the Democratic Party.

This here.

Although people should have known that Pelosi, Schumer, and others would not be confronting fascists when they kowtow to the fascist apartheid regime in Israel.
So, when will leftists support actual Democratic elections in Venezuela and Cuba?
 

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I'll believe the left is actually interested in beating the fascists politically when they stop appearing on the fascists propaganda network, because they think it's the only reach out to the "true" working class.

Also, the only open fighting I've seen is from leftists attacking centrists for months, and now that centrists, like the 32nd most liberal member of Congress, engages in some sort of pushback, it's the end of the world.

But, I guess that makes sense. We're just supposed to "bend the knee" and let Cornel West, Chapo Trap House,, and Glenn Greenwald take over the Democratic Party.



So, when will leftists support actual Democratic elections in Venezuela and Cuba?
This whole post is some disengenuous garbage.
 
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I'll believe the left is actually interested in beating the fascists politically when they stop appearing on the fascists propaganda network, because they think it's the only reach out to the "true" working class.

Also, the only open fighting I've seen is from leftists attacking centrists for months, and now that centrists, like the 32nd most liberal member of Congress, engages in some sort of pushback, it's the end of the world.

But, I guess that makes sense. We're just supposed to "bend the knee" and let Cornel West, Chapo Trap House,, and Glenn Greenwald take over the Democratic Party.



So, when will leftists support actual Democratic elections in Venezuela and Cuba?
this is just a series of unrelated and disingenuous left-punching talking points sneeringly strung together. I mean, even more than usual for you.

But I guess when you get called out on your faux-woke John Lewis bullshit, anything to change the subject.
 

Helio

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I'll believe the left is actually interested in beating the fascists politically when they stop appearing on the fascists propaganda network, because they think it's the only reach out to the "true" working class.

Also, the only open fighting I've seen is from leftists attacking centrists for months, and now that centrists, like the 32nd most liberal member of Congress, engages in some sort of pushback, it's the end of the world.

But, I guess that makes sense. We're just supposed to "bend the knee" and let Cornel West, Chapo Trap House,, and Glenn Greenwald take over the Democratic Party.



So, when will leftists support actual Democratic elections in Venezuela and Cuba?
You have an intentional warped and twisted view of leftists. There's no use in engaging with you.

There is use in pointing out that you're doing all of this in defense of centrists who have offered thoughts and prayers as weapons against the fascists
 

JesseEwiak

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You have an intentional warped and twisted view of leftists. There's no use in engaging with you.

There is use in pointing out that you're doing all of this in defense of centrists who have offered thoughts and prayers as weapons against the fascists
No, I'm defending liberals and progressives against attacks from sheltered leftists who have no political knowledge from before 9 seconds ago who think the path to winning to elections is to listen to 20-somethings in Brooklyn and San Francisco, as opposed to the actual base of the party. I have zero issues w/ AOC and the others voting against the funding bill.

Note, of the 90-something Democrat's who voted against the bill, not all of them took to Twitter to attack those who voted for it.
 

Nairume

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No, I'm defending liberals and progressives against attacks from sheltered leftists who have no political knowledge from before 9 seconds ago who think the path to winning to elections is to listen to 20-somethings in Brooklyn and San Francisco, as opposed to the actual base of the party. I have zero issues w/ AOC and the others voting against the funding bill.

Note, of the 90-something Democrat's who voted against the bill, not all of them took to Twitter to attack those who voted for it.
You are still dodging the callout regarding your John Lewis statement.
 
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No, I'm defending liberals and progressives against attacks from sheltered leftists who have no political knowledge from before 9 seconds ago who think the path to winning to elections is to listen to 20-somethings in Brooklyn and San Francisco, as opposed to the actual base of the party. I have zero issues w/ AOC and the others voting against the funding bill.

Note, of the 90-something Democrat's who voted against the bill, not all of them took to Twitter to attack those who voted for it.
hey so did you have a problem with Dem leadership trying to destroy the career of a black Muslim woman with false allegations of antisemitism or not

I mean, if you’re so concerned with defending Democrats from intraparty attacks and all
 
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Xaszatm

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No, I'm defending liberals and progressives against attacks from sheltered leftists who have no political knowledge from before 9 seconds ago who think the path to winning to elections is to listen to 20-somethings in Brooklyn and San Francisco, as opposed to the actual base of the party. I have zero issues w/ AOC and the others voting against the funding bill.

Note, of the 90-something Democrat's who voted against the bill, not all of them took to Twitter to attack those who voted for it.
So in your mind, unity is fighting Trump? Because those 20-somethings in Brooklyn and San Francisco actually do things to expose the cruelties of Trump like say visit the camps and use her social whatever to bring the horrible conditions to the national eye, repeatedly bring in witnesses to the house to testify about the horrific things they have experienced, spend most of today using her social whatever to spread awareness to those being targeting in the upcoming strikes how to defend themselves. For all your insisting that AOC and the ilk are harming the party by not fighting Trump, it seems AOC (and others, she isn't the only one of course and I commend those who do anything to fight this, not just the progressives) is doing more than Pelosi to fight the republican threat.
 

Televator

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No, I'm defending liberals and progressives against attacks from sheltered leftists who have no political knowledge from before 9 seconds ago who think the path to winning to elections is to listen to 20-somethings in Brooklyn and San Francisco, as opposed to the actual base of the party. I have zero issues w/ AOC and the others voting against the funding bill.

Note, of the 90-something Democrat's who voted against the bill, not all of them took to Twitter to attack those who voted for it.
Which leftists in particular?
 

Dekim

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Fighting Trump means funding his concentration camps? What a peculiar way of "fighting". Giving you political opponents everything they want doesn't fall under "opposition" in any dictionary I've read. But I'm just a dumb, naive leftist that isn't pragmatic, so what do I know.
 

Raonak

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I will say that as a very progressive person, seeing the far-left twitter has made be completely stop labeling myself as "left leaning"...

I'm just gonna follow my own values.
 

Helio

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We don't need ancient leadership in the democratic party like that repetitive dinosaur Sanders

What we need to be rallying behind is the fresh-faced leadership of people like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer
They have the bold and fresh ideas such as speaking at AIPAC and writing bills to admonish a black Muslim woman.
 

GiantBreadbug

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They have the bold and fresh ideas such as speaking at AIPAC and writing bills to admonish a black Muslim woman.
Exactly!!! That's precisely the kind of leadership that energizes people to come out in record numbers and leads to a surge in voter participation. Glad to see someone around here with some sense. I don't know how these idiot leftist populists think their ideas are going to accomplish what our brave Democratic Leaders are very clearly accomplishing every day.

Not to mention, Pelosi and Schumer are leading the #resistance boldly by

-checks notes-

doing whatever the right wants almost 100% of the time
 

Powdered Egg

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So as far as the Black Political Pokedex goes:

The Right has Martin Luther King and Darryl Davis Pokemon Cards.

Centrists have a new Black friend in John Lewis.

What ancient art do non-Blacks practice, where they've learned to wield Black people as weapons?
 

Raonak

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maybe you’re just not as progressive as you thought you were, then
I don't really have anything to prove to you,
but i'll say the american brand of right-wing politics is straight up cancer and the people saying "both sides are bad" are delusional.

i'm just not a fan of getting mad at other people for not being as progressive as me :/
 

gogosox82

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I will say that as a very progressive person, seeing the far-left twitter has made be completely stop labeling myself as "left leaning"...

I'm just gonna follow my own values.
Or maybe you weren't really that progressive to begin with if you can be swayed out of your political opinions by a few people on twitter.
 

Buzzman

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But really though, it's understandable (if regrettable) that some people are scared/worried by the increasingly polarized opinions out there. Most regular people would probably prefer the political discourse to be less vitriolic and hateful, because the current situation indicates that there's something seriously wrong in the U.S.

And, the situation is fucked all to hell, how you choose to deal with that fact is entirely on the individual.
Some people will just not have the drive or capacity to enter into this really ugly and tiring struggle.
 

etrain911

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I'll believe the left is actually interested in beating the fascists politically when they stop appearing on the fascists propaganda network, because they think it's the only reach out to the "true" working class.

Also, the only open fighting I've seen is from leftists attacking centrists for months, and now that centrists, like the 32nd most liberal member of Congress, engages in some sort of pushback, it's the end of the world.

But, I guess that makes sense. We're just supposed to "bend the knee" and let Cornel West, Chapo Trap House,, and Glenn Greenwald take over the Democratic Party.



So, when will leftists support actual Democratic elections in Venezuela and Cuba?

You're right! We should totally listen to the centrist and moderate wing of the party that's been leading the party for years now. That's what led us to a historic victory in 2016 for President Hillary Clinton.

Seriously, when will you realize the hubris of trying to appeal to white moderates? Leftist policies are popular! People find them palatable and no one ever holds the right or moderate left to accord the way they do the left. It is almost like the ruling class has an interest in maintaining the status quo!
 

Raonak

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Or maybe you weren't really that progressive to begin with if you can be swayed out of your political opinions by a few people on twitter.
Isn't this ironic.
My progressiveness being "called out" because I don't like to lump myself with the more aggressive/hostile members of the far-left.

I guess i have lived long enough to become the villain.
 

Dekim

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I mean, if your principles can be so easily swayed by social media drudgery, then eventually something else would have come up for you to use as an excuse.
 

Nairume

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Isn't this ironic.
My progressiveness being "called out" because I don't like to lump myself with the more aggressive/hostile members of the far-left.

I guess i have lived long enough to become the villain.
To be fair, it is a little suspect for somebody to come in here vaguely calling themselves a progressive and then attacking an even vaguer target of "twitter leftists"

And I get being angry at those types. Despite his obvious flaws as a candidate and the reality that we do have a better congresswoman in Lucy McBath now, it was disheartening as somebody living in GA-06 during the 2017 special election to see twitter leftists doing Karen Handle's work for her by spreading FUD about John Ossoff "not living in the district" due to their (partially justified) dissatisfaction with him as a candidate. As annoyed as I may have been at them, I'm not going to let a few obnoxious people on twitter cause me to disown the left, nor is it going to have me trying to equate them to the more insidious kind of shit the center is doing at the moment.
 

Helio

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Isn't this ironic.
My progressiveness being "called out" because I don't like to lump myself with the more aggressive/hostile members of the far-left.

I guess i have lived long enough to become the villain.
I think you're making yourself the villain, creating conflict when there isn't necessarily any as of now. The hostile left that you see isn't that large and most of them are rightfully frustrated with the party and are tired of seeing politicians and other liberals desire incrementalism and the former status quo.

And hey, maybe you aren't as progressive as you think. You haven't stated what you stand for. All you did is say that you're "very progressive". Personally, I would know what "very progressive" means to you.
 

danm999

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I will say that as a very progressive person, seeing the far-left twitter has made be completely stop labeling myself as "left leaning"...

I'm just gonna follow my own values.
Didn't you say in the death penalty thread you found the thought of slowly driving someone insane in solitary confinement satisfying?
 

Helio

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Didn't you say in the death penalty thread you found the thought of slowly driving someone insane in solitary confinement satisfying?
Whaaaa?

Shot:
I will say that as a very progressive person, seeing the far-left twitter has made be completely stop labeling myself as "left leaning"...

I'm just gonna follow my own values.
Chaser
No, because death is actually a pretty light punishment. Especially for crazy people who think they're going to go to heaven.
I'm of the opinion that solitary confinement is a far better punishment.
Being locked in a cage for all of your life and slowly losing your mind as you relive the experience every day?
that's a lot more satisfying.

Yeah, you ain't no progressive
 

crazyfunster

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You're right! We should totally listen to the centrist and moderate wing of the party that's been leading the party for years now. That's what led us to a historic victory in 2016 for President Hillary Clinton.

Seriously, when will you realize the hubris of trying to appeal to white moderates? Leftist policies are popular! People find them palatable and no one ever holds the right or moderate left to accord the way they do the left. It is almost like the ruling class has an interest in maintaining the status quo!
The only way we're going to prove them popular is by winning the Dem primary- and that means destroying Biden (and Buttigieg, who is just as to the right)
 

Raonak

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Are you guys trying to argue that a progressive person would actually be FOR the death penalty???
It's the worst possible option out of all options...

What does progressive mean to you guys?
 

medinaria

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Are you guys trying to argue that a progressive person would actually be FOR the death penalty???
It's the worst possible option out of all options...

What does progressive mean to you guys?
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I think what you'll find is that the position of the people you are speaking with is "we do not support the death penalty, and we also do not find it personally satisfying to think about torturing people for life, and would instead prefer a system where we try to rehabilitate criminals with the eventual goal of re-introducing them into society"

the framework you're presenting of "well you're either pro-torture or pro-death penalty" is uh... very telling
 

Buzzman

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Are you guys trying to argue that a progressive person would actually be FOR the death penalty???
It's the worst possible option out of all options...

What does progressive mean to you guys?
Uh, generally progressives are against the death penalty because of the cruel and unjust nature of the punishment.
Abolishing the death penalty to increase the suffering means you kind of missed the point of it.