Yeah I am fearful. Because with every post that I make I can be accused of being a racist. While I don't want to be one. It is because I don't know where all the insensitivities lies. Like for example In a thread about The little mermaid someone said I hope that she can swim. I never thought that was a racial thing. It was only when I looked it up that there was a stereotype linked to it. The same with watermelons. It is like you can step on a landmine without being aware that there was one.
I mean you're asking people to explain something to you but you lack the fundamental understandings of race everyone else has to fully grasp what they are trying to get across to you and thus you're shooting their replies down as non-valid. You are working with a different understanding of what the concept of racism is and for any of us to properly explain it to you we risk turning this thread into a sociology 101 course. Also, if you wanna learn you gotta do some more listening and less arguing.
I shall pm you. But I think it is important that I reply here also. I always try to argue in good faith. And if there is something not clear then just ask me. I don't want to be misunderstood. Just ask for clarification. Because I have been banned already for not being clear enough. So just tell me where I have been wrong.
There is nothing especially terrible in saying something wrong. We're humans, we all make mistakes sometimes.
So I lack fundamental understandings of race. Ok. And I don't know if we work with a different understanding of racism.
I have absolutely no problem saying if I am wrong.
also here's my opinion on why this makes sense given the procedural details of how the american house of representatives functions
Where oh where did I say that I am not humble enough to listen? That must be a gross misunderstanding.
I suggest that instead of worrying about being called a racist, perhaps look back into when you were called one and recognize the behavior that elicited that criticism. You can't expect others to walk you through not being racist.
A deeply bigoted person wouldn't be receptive at all. Shouldn't we give some credit here?
I wasn't called a racist. I just fear that discussing this topic that I can be accused of one.
Because you don't actually know what you're talking about and you're centering this thread around yourself in the process
Just be yourself and don't be weird about it. If things you say are misinterpreted but its not what you really mean, then whatever.
Well thank you. Nice insult.
I don't want to be it around me. Others make it around me.
Yeah but I don't want to be accused or be reported because something wasn't clear or can be interpreted wrong and yes let's get back on topic.
I'm willing to talk via PM but yeah lets return to the topic at hand
I'm sorry that you're getting ganged up on. As a person of color I can tell you with 100% certainty that people ridiculing you aren't representative of all of us. It pisses me off to my core that you are coming asking genuine questions and wanting to have an open discussion so that you can garner understanding, and the responses are just attacking you and your character.
i'm trying to assume you're discussing this in good faith, so i'd like to give you some perspective.
Polls indicate that a very slight majority (54%) want the party to be more moderate. But I'm not entirely sure what you can make of that, as I don't know how that reflects people actually showing up to vote.
Solely? That's very generous of you.
Just don't be so quick to disregard racism, as both an outsider and as someone who will never be the target for the system, and you'll be alright. I was willing to respond to you, as I gave you the benefit of the doubt about your ignorance on the matter. You are being "ganged up" on because a lot of bad faith posters post similarly and a person's intent is hard to gauge over the internet. White Americans have always had a huge race problem and that's going to show up even on the Democratic side of politics. This whole Democrat infighting boils down to race and class-consciousness.
I disagree, the presidential race is very much do or die, especially now and the factors that go into that are much more numerous than the general feeling for the direction of the party at the House and Senate level.
Sorry and I apologize. I was wrong. And I see now what you are saying. I was totally wrong and I see why it came over that way.
The other thing that's somehow gotten lost in this is that it's not true that only the four minority women didn't vote for the bill, more Democrats voted against it than for it. The progressive were very vocal about their opposition to it and had their own bill that no one else suppored which I think is causing this confusion.
Thanks for the very good post.
The American Civil War was not won, it moved from the battlefield to the social field. It is still raging. There are many places in the American south where racism is not even hidden, it's in the open- confederate flags, swastika tattoos, all displayed pridefully. America is a big messy place where outside of cities, some really repugnant shit is tolerated, if not encouraged.
I can't really say that race relations in the USA have gotten worse, it may seem that way when viewing our country from overseas but in reality what's happened is that Trump's presidency has forced a lot of emotions to the surface that people kept hidden from others and themselves. In a strange way I think that it's healthy that we're finally being honest about what the USA has always been even though it's been painful and harmful to so many vulnerable people.
I wish they'd just go ahead and run as republicans and stop the pretense.
