the new freshcongress folk won by being who they are though.. didn't the midterms prove that?
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Pelosi to Progressive Colleagues: Stop attacking centrists on Twitter
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the new freshcongress folk won by being who they are though.. didn't the midterms prove that?
No.
In the face of what millions of disenfranchised are facing in this administration she shouldn't even have time to winge about this nonsense.
In the face of what millions of disenfranchised are facing in this administration she shouldn't even have time to winge about this nonsense.
Yeah I was about to say, we have the opposite problem with our freedom caucus: instead of gumming up the works for everyone for the sake if ideological purity, they're too willing to go-along-to-get-along with Senate Republicans.
Yea not wanting children to die in cages is really killing the electability of moderates in the party. Guess we can feel good knowing we can hold the majority now that when a child does die we've been promised to be notified in 24 hours. What a great compromise, now we can all sleep better at night.
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While that is how they felt (and might be the case), there is also this from the article:
So we are all sort of guessing.
It is childish and politicians having Twitter fingers is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
Not that I agree with her approach at all but they are not really colleagues. Pelosi is the speaker of the house.
It's strange how those Republicans don't have to compromise their beliefs to win districts the way the Dems do though.
And if the response to that is that those districts are really red then what is the point of any of this? Why bother winning elections if you're more concerned about keeping the seat than doing what's right?
Ah yes, I'm a disingenuous lap dog for having reading comprehension and trusting that Politico has reputable sources.
The GOP keeps taking Ls due to not being willing to compromise. The Tea Party proved to be a disaster for the GOP in the last decade, as they repeatedly throw away winnable seats in exchange for ideological purity.
I can't track it down but I saw the following image where someone replaced fireworks with "class conflict" and put a "proud liberal" sticker on the doggie
Given what she did to Ilhan Omar, I have no doubt that Nancy would attack with far more effectiveness against her own party than against those actually destroying the country
Then maybe she should do her job and stop shiting on folks who are actually trying to do something.
It's obvious that Pelosi's playing a long game since she sees the potential of Dems controlling both sides of Congress and the executive branch come 2020. But she needs centrists and the Blue Dogs to win again come 2020 for that to happen which is why she's being so conservative right now and chiding everyone who's being critical of their own party. She doesn't want to lose leverage over the Blue Dogs by twisting their arms right now when she doesn't get anything out of it.
She's waiting for 2020 to see where things end up. if Dems sweep 2020, then I expect her to start whipping Blue Dogs to get progressive laws passed.
The issue is though, she has a terrible tone problem that drives literally everybody up the wall by being so patronizing and snippy in her admonishing progressives, who are completely morally right in what they're saying.
At any rate, 2020 can't be here soon enough.
She's waiting for 2020 to see where things end up. if Dems sweep 2020, then I expect her to start whipping Blue Dogs to get progressive laws passed.
The issue is though, she has a terrible tone problem that drives literally everybody up the wall by being so patronizing and snippy in her admonishing progressives, who are completely morally right in what they're saying.
At any rate, 2020 can't be here soon enough.
This. Days ago she was lampooning AOC & Co. for communicating with consituents via Twitter in that "bleh new technology tone". Now suddenly she cares about it and about being nice to the least principled members of the citizenry. Gimme a damn break, Pelosi.
"Some Democrats interpret as a response to x and y" doesn't prevent it from also applying to z. It's a general statement which Pelosi's staff confirms is not directed only at x and y, per the very same article.
So yes, disingenuous lap dog twisting a couple indefinite interpretations as the sole scope to fit your narrative.
Except many of those House Dem freshmen and women are the moderates, not progressives.
funny thing about this whole dynamic is that a lot of these blue dogs didn't even vote for Pelosi for speaker.
But Republicans showing up and falling into place no matter what isn't surprising. I don't have that same level of confidence with Democrats.
This would have more weight if Pelosi didn't bash her own house members in interviews.
But you know what? The dem party NEEDS to go through this. This sort of pushback and fight needs to happen.
But you know what? The dem party NEEDS to go through this. This sort of pushback and fight needs to happen.
If her party is so fragile that we cannot agree that children dying in concentration camps is a bad thing, then this party is worthless.
it's not disingenuous to cite the article that this thread is about. It's literally the purpose of why this thread exists in the first place. And it's worth pointing out because most of the people rushing into this thread probably have no idea who Mark Pocan is.
You can say it out loud, we are probably fucked if we don't fix and address this. We all know these elections don't come down to poplar vote so...
Don't like Pelosi at all, but when has condemning people on Twitter for their vote or not chosing a side ever did anything? You see people in here getting mad at her for doing THE SAME THING WITHIN THE PARTY. It's almost meta, except she isn't trying to prove a point.
People on this very website never respond well to being called out on simple discussions about games and movies lmfao. But expect people to give a shit what you have to say when you attack their personal beliefs and politics call them "child abusers" or come at centrist the way they do. This is not comparable to movents of the past now because everyone has a voice. No one is going to respond to this. On the flip her alternative is garbage.
She did. It is not the outcome we wanted but Pelosi has made her play and as long as she has the support of the majority then what the progressives think doesn't matter based on how power is presently divided in the party. Hopefully soon the dynamics will change but I highly doubt it.
Is Pelosi suddenly going out and calling Pressley or AOC "anti-American communists" or something? Sniping/venting frustrations from the left end of the caucus towards the middle, middle towards the left, members towards leadership, leadership towards members, etc. - that's all going to happen and is normal. We just had Tilab and Pelosi's staff sourced in a NYT article on that topic regarding the recent funding bill and the breakdown of the House's negotiating position. Per the article, there was a specific issue Pelosi was subtweeting.
They won in districts that allowed a liberal to win. You think Susie Lee will get re-elected on the same platform at AOC? Not a chance in hell.
Now, for those liberal districts electing a more moderate, yes, I think those folks have all the reason to be called out. They aren't representing their constituents accurately. But to attack a moderate who represents a moderate constituency is pure lunacy and terrible politics. And how you lose the majority.
the split between progressives and moderates isn't about anti-concentration camp vs. pro-concentration camp though.
Making an inaccurate inference from that citation is. Kirblar did not simply "cite" the article, he twisted it to shut down an opposing valid interpretation that his "citation" does not in fact support.
Pelosi is stuck in her old ways. The freshmen congress men and women are shaping the way of the future.
Agreed, but it is hard to not be seen as pro when passing bills that support said camps.
Sure they do. Many moderate republicans ran on a a silent trump platform. Most of them lost which left behind mainly far right crazy assholes to toe the republican line.
the inference was made by the Dems who attended the meeting and spoke to Politico, not by people who read the article.
I think every Democrat thinks children dying in concentration camps is a bad thing. The disagreements come in how best to stop it. Centrists think throwing money blindly at it is a solution. (it's not, I agree with everyone that funding concentration camps is bad)
The party is fragile only in their ability to maintain control. There's only a handful of seats separating Republican control and Democrat control and I think her biggest worry are those few seats and she's trying to not rock the boat so much that those seats are lost and Republicans retake the House next year.
I don't agree with how she's executing that strategy whatsoever, but I'm also not the one in her position. I also don't think anyone else could be as effective in balancing all this as Speaker than her without tanking their reputations. She's the perfect receptacle for all this criticism as her seat is completely safe and she doesn't have any other political goals in her career.
You spelt selective reading wrong. Politico stated in the article that this was a meeting following her spat with AoC. But heres a treat for the good boy kirblar.
Pelosi pulled a bill out of her ass to put down Ilhan Omar and threw her under a bus (which I guess is better than Schumer who openly mocked her). So yeah I'd still put that on a higher level than "mean tweets".
It goes both ways. If you went to another department to fund a security project that facilitates child abuse when your colleagues in your department have a similar project that doesn't, you clearly didn't respect your coworkers much in the first place and aren't particularly deserving of respect yourself.
I take it you're not American, because this is a horrible idea that suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of how the system works. Running as a third party would guarantee her failure.
... but Pelosi has given several high-profile interviews in 2019 excoriating her fellow Dem reps, and she's leader of the party. So this is just rank hypocrisy; Pelosi trying to silence progressive WOC who have large public platforms, meanwhile she fires shots all the time at them, and even brought a bill to the floor targeting Ilhan Omar.
Left unity isn't a one-way street. Fuck that.
This "think about the children" angle does not work man. I'm sorry but it doesn't. I think it's an atrocity as well. However, they will see it as you trying to manipulate them and their vote more so than you actually altruistically caring for these children. This political guilt tripping is what sends some people off to the other end. Some people are worth swaying some aren't. This is the truth.
And Ilhan Omar brought it on herself by hiring a comms person you don't like, amirite?