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Penn Jillette can vouch for racist Trump Apprentice tapes, but won't for "moral reasons"
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I posted this in the other thread, but Jillette said the exact same thing in 2016 during the campaign- he wouldn't discuss details of what Trump said on the set of the Apprentice because 'the stakes are too high and he is an unreliable narrator'.
Exactly. Hes saying it was bad, but doesnt trust his memory enough to go on record with specifics.
Drive by poster doesn't read the OP, super surprised. He didn't defend him at all.
Yep.
Can't give Penn shit for this. He literally just dumped a dozen new anecdotes for you to enjoy anyhow
A multimillion dollar lawsuit is in his future if he draws a line in the sand like that without any proof so
He might not be able to remember an exact quote, but Penn Jillette is still saying a lot..
'So I can emotionally tell you things that happened racially, sexually, and that showed stupidity and lack of compassion when I was in the room with Donald Trump'
'He would say racially insensitive things that made me uncomfortable.'
'those two hours every other day in a room with him, every ten minutes was fingernails on chalkboard.'
Sounds like he doesn't want to get sued? I don't see what the moral obligation is. If anything the moral obligation is to show the American people the true colors of their President.
He isn't at all. He confirms Trump said racist things, but just won't give any quotes because memory is faulty. He hated Trump as President, and has been rallying against him since day one. He voted for Clinton in the election. Might be the only libertarian who can say that.
He says he doesn't want to say anything because his recollection may not be 100% and he feels this is too important to mess up.
He even says it's not his reputation he's worried about, he actively scathes Trump in the interview, he just doesn't want to say something that could be found to be inaccurate.
He even says it's not his reputation he's worried about, he actively scathes Trump in the interview, he just doesn't want to say something that could be found to be inaccurate.
This is a pretty interesting interview. It's a shame that the only thing people want to pull out of it is "Rawr why won't he give us damaging information on Trump?!"
"This year on Fool Us we had six women magicians working solo. And out of those six, five fooled us. Now the average rate we have for being fooled is 12 percent. But solo women fool us almost 100 percent of the time. The reason for the difference is that there is a way of thinking about magic that doesn't have anything to do with the boys' club. And as much as I've railed against that boys' club, I'm 63 years old and every book I've read, every magician I've seen, is based on the boys'-club way of thinking about magic. Women who were excluded from that club have rhythms and styles and nuance to the way they do magic that I don't understand. And that's great! I've been wanting to see that for 50 years."
"This year on Fool Us we had six women magicians working solo. And out of those six, five fooled us. Now the average rate we have for being fooled is 12 percent. But solo women fool us almost 100 percent of the time. The reason for the difference is that there is a way of thinking about magic that doesn't have anything to do with the boys' club. And as much as I've railed against that boys' club, I'm 63 years old and every book I've read, every magician I've seen, is based on the boys'-club way of thinking about magic. Women who were excluded from that club have rhythms and styles and nuance to the way they do magic that I don't understand. And that's great! I've been wanting to see that for 50 years."
fair enough, just bitter about literally every other libertarian ive encountered online and off
Exactly. I don't understand why people are jumping on him for this. People get so morally righteous about these things without ever considering how it could backfire and cause more damage than good.
And you all realize what this actually says, right? The making people uncomfortable with language bit was so frequent he can't point to any one instance reliably. Everyone can remember that one time a person said something racist at work. But if it happens every other day, it all blends. And then you wait some years and it's hard to put any specifics down you're confident in. But the racism in what he said constantly was always there. That's a pretty enormous revelation.
Without proof to provide, what is he to do. He pretty much admits it happened but that is obviously going to do nothing till someone can produce the tape
Yes, I read the quotes. However, after slinging muck by saying he was in the room when racist, misogynistic things were said, Penn decides he isn't actually willing to go any deeper into what that muck actually was. Which leads me to agree with the post I was quoting...
...that it's a somewhat reasonable possibility that Penn is just saying he feels it's plausible that Trump says such things in a self-important way. Because his excuse that he won't go into detail because of "morality" is, well, bullshit.
So you do understand what's going on exactly. Better judge than think.
I mean what would even be the point, if he was willing to go on record saying something specific it does nothing and runs the risk of being proven wrong in some minor way that would be seen as invalidating his account.
What's the real difference between saying he said some bad shit and saying he said this shit in particular probably but I'm not actually sure it was worded exactly like this?
Hey I feel ya, they come off as corporate apologists. I have a buddy that I can discuss politics with but I can't get to watch Dear White People because of its title. It's a slow process :/.
I'm probably more self-righteous than anyone on this forum and I don't see an issue with not offering a quotation. He confirmed that Trump said it. That's enough for me, the quotation is completely pointless and dude doesn't have the tapes either so shrug.
Yeah.
He's basically saying, "I've got no proof of it, but I know based on my experience he said some really fucked up stuff on race, but I can't give an exact quote since it's all from memory so I'm not going to try." (Paraphrasing)
Precisely.
Is this more like "Trump said racist shit but Trump supporters watch my show too so I dont wanna say anything"?
Some of you are overreacting to and misinterpreting Penn here. Nothing about this is wrong or offensive.
in all fairness, he's a libertarian and they actually care about lower taxes and only occasionally pretend to care about stuff like racial equality
No because he goes on to say how horrible it was to be around him.
I understand where he is coming from. He knows bad shit was said but doesn't want to give ammunition to Trump and Trumpers if one or more details are not completely accurately recalled by him.
Saying that Trump used the N word explicitly would be one of these situations.
He always does come off as a smug dick though.
Saying that Trump used the N word explicitly would be one of these situations.
He always does come off as a smug dick though.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. If you can't say something with certainty, you probably shouldn't be saying it. He's said enough by highlighting that Trump was racist, sexist and generally disgusting to be around. People going for him because he doesn't want to be drawn in on exact quotes sucks, as it isn't like he is defending him.
Read the interview. He is for Universal Basic Income, and he says that a Libertarian government might not work. Penn's crazy, and he's the first to admit it. He always implores people to not trust him.
It's a mixture of that, and Penn being pretty Republican himself. He's adamantly anti-gun control and, well, look at his analogy for taxes being used to provide a social safety net.
He doesn't quote but he says Trump said some terrible things. If he gives a quote he'd be under the microscope from both sides, and he probably doesn't remember anyway. I don't see any issue.
I don't think its a moral reason, just seems he has bad recollection.
like you know you had a dream but can't remember the contents of it.
like you know you had a dream but can't remember the contents of it.
I wanna know what that punk ass Teller has to say about it, he hasn't said anything for DECADES
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