I don't really see how you were ghosted here. That amount of work for an interview is absurd though. And I'd personally prefer an email rejection over a phone rejection. I got a phone rejection only once and it felt terrible since before a phone call was always giving me good news.Yup. That happened to me over the summer. Made me do a ton of pre-interview work (a fucking 12-hour project, no less), had me come in for two callback interviews with increasingly higher-ranked people, then told me "you're our top candidate, but we have one more interview to do, so we'll call you on Friday whether you got the job or not".
They didn't call me at all. I waited until 4PM, had a panic attack and e-mailed my primary point of contact and he responded within 45 seconds to tell me I didn't get the job. Didn't even have the courtesy to give me a "thank you for your time" phone call.
Assholes probably stole my pre-interview project, too.
I don't really see how you were ghosted here. That amount of work for an interview is absurd though. And I'd personally prefer an email rejection over a phone rejection. I got a phone rejection only once and it felt terrible since before a phone call was always giving me good news.
Stuff happens man. You ended up getting a response the same day. I don't think you're ever going to get what you want in a job if you expect perfectly-managed conmunjcation.They told me, verbatim, that they would call me on Friday morning regardless of whether or not I got the job. They didn't.
There's a difference between expecting perfection and expecting someone to do what they said they would do.Stuff happens man. You ended up getting a response the same day. I don't think you're ever going to get what you want in a job if you expect perfectly-managed conmunjcation.
It's not asking a lot for people to keep their word hahaStuff happens man. You ended up getting a response the same day. I don't think you're ever going to get what you want in a job if you expect perfectly-managed conmunjcation.
Stuff happens man. You ended up getting a response the same day. I don't think you're ever going to get what you want in a job if you expect perfectly-managed conmunjcation.
This person got their response the same day. Getting it hours later is not really anything worth complaining about. It simply isn't an issue.There's a difference between expecting perfection and expecting someone to do what they said they would do.
LOL. That happened to me as well. I was thinking to myself why can't you just send me an email instead of calling me.I don't really see how you were ghosted here. That amount of work for an interview is absurd though. And I'd personally prefer an email rejection over a phone rejection. I got a phone rejection only once and it felt terrible since before a phone call was always giving me good news.
"A recruiter told me that they would call me in the morning and let me know if I got the job or not and they didn't."We literally scheduled a phone call because the start date for the job was supposed to be the following Monday. It's a kind of different situation when they say "we will call you between 9 and 10AM to get everything finalized" and then they don't.
This person got their response the same day. Getting it hours later is not really anything worth complaining about. It simply isn't an issue.
It's just rude. I would consider it rude to ghost from both sides, but some companies have hundreds of applicants so it's understandable if they don't respond. In most cases it's stated or assumed that no response means they didn't get the job.Some people are insanely entitled - "if it's convenient for me, I don't care, screw everyone else".
Wait, first you said that they would call you to notify you, but now you're saying that it was a scheduled conference call? Why wouldn't you email them or call them when they never answered the conference call? That update doesn't really mesh with you saying you were waiting until 4 pm before emailing them.Read my follow-up response. The VP asked me in my previous conversation (a post-post-interview phone call where he told me I was the top candidate) if I was ready to start working the following Monday, and we scheduled a conference call for 9AM that Friday where they'd tell me either way whether or not I got the job, because the official start date for the position was said Monday. The paperwork needed to be signed that day.
The fact that I had to beg them for a response right before the close of business for a job I was supposed to start three days later is not a sign of competent leadership. I wasn't talking to recruiters, this was a scheduled meeting with executive leadership staff.
What does complaining about a 6 hour delay do to hold corporations accountable? Honestly, the 12 hour project is the real bullshit that should be the focus of that interview process.you can't seriously be holding CORPORATIONS accountable PlanetSmasher they have PROFIT to be making
Wait, first you said that they would call you to notify you, but now you're saying that it was a scheduled conference call? Why wouldn't you email them or call them when they never answered the conference call? That update doesn't really mesh with you saying you were waiting until 4 pm before emailing them.
I get wanting to see if potential employees are capable of doing the job beforehand, but some people are bordering on free labor shit.
You keep changing details, man. Now you're talking like you had the job entirely but just didn't have the offer letter yet. Up until that post you've been saying they would be notifying you if you got the job or not. And if it was a scheduled conference call, then I don't understand why you wouldn't call or email to confirm that the conference call was still happening or not. Like, you not sending any notification about them not calling/joining actually makes it look like you flaked on it too.It was a scheduled call with the VP and the hiring manager who had literally both spent an entire previous conference call buttering me up that Wednesday and confirming I was ready to start work on Monday. We had already discussed compensation packages and everything, all that was left was formal paperwork. I didn't e-mail them immediately precisely because I wanted to be polite and not immediately assume wrongdoing on their part. Sometimes things come up, I get it. And as long as I got the paperwork in before close of business it didn't matter WHEN it was signed.
Then it was lunch time, and then it was the evening and I had a complete panic attack and e-mailed the VP with a quick note and he responded within seconds to tell me I didn't get the job.
Yup. I applied for a job and went through the first round of interviews only to not here from them for 2 months until after numerous emails on my behalf, they finally said we aren't interested. So I have no sympathyIt's hard for me to feel sympathy when so many companies think it's cool to leave people waiting on an answer that isn't coming.
If you hate your new job it's probably best to skip the bolded. Money won't solve that problem.
You keep changing details, man. Now you're talking like you had the job entirely but just didn't have the offer letter yet. Up until that post you've been saying they would be notifying you if you got the job or not. And if it was a scheduled conference call, then I don't understand why you wouldn't call or email to confirm that the conference call was still happening or not. Like, you not sending any notification about them not calling/joining actually makes it look like you flaked on it too.
A lot of companies advertise available jobs with no intention of ever hiring outside candidates, but do so because of labor laws and having to fill an interview quota of some sort. Many times they've already made up their mind. If they're really courteous they'll never call in anyone for an interview to waste their time if they already have a candidate in mind but that's not always the case, unfortunately.
It's hard for me to feel sympathy when so many companies think it's cool to leave people waiting on an answer that isn't coming.
I'm not saying you should be blowing up their email, but if you had a scheduled conference call that they no-showed on you should definitely follow-up on it.It's a complicated, stupid scenario, that's why. They told me outright I was the top candidate, I had been in for two follow-up interviews, we discussed salary package and everything. A day after the third interview, they called me again to ask if I could start Monday, reiterated the salary package they offered me, then went "we just have one more person to interview tomorrow, so we'll talk at 9AM Friday no matter what happens to hash things out".
Again, it was terribly, terribly managed and they went out of their way to make me feel like I had the job only to pull the rug out from under me at the very last second. If you want to throw it back in my face for not haranguing them all day, that's fine, but realize that a large part of the blame falls on them for repeatedly and continuously treating me like I had the job and throwing hope at me like birdseed.
Yeah I never got this theory that companies do interviews just to get free labor from people. The interviewers have to be paid for that time and many interviewees have their flight and hotel paid for by the company. There's also plenty of HR staff being paid to handle the interview process through the company.Usually the labor laws require that they do charade interviews though.
About the project part: I highly doubt reputable companies are stealing projects. Usually these projects are ways to test your coding or thinking process, and it's sometimes tough to come up with something that you can't just easily look up on the internet. But if you're good enough to code something that is better than whatever the current engineers can come up with, I don't see why they'd ghost you.
I'm not saying you should be blowing up their email, but if you had a scheduled conference call that they no-showed on you should definitely follow-up on it.
It sucks that they gave you false hope. Maybe the last candidate really blew them away and caused them to have to quickly pivot. It could be why they missed the morning call. And it really sucks that you had to do a 12 hour project for the interview. The only thing I've been harping you about this whole time though is having so much issue with their delayed response that was still within the same day.
But they did have their shit together. It was just with another candidate, unfortunately. If you got the offer, you would have started Monday. I think the biggest learning lesson is that you don't have the job offer until you're given the official offer letter. And it really does suck to be prematurely pumped up Iike you've secured the offer.To be clear, the only reason I had that issue with the delayed response is because it was a Friday and the start date was the following Monday. I wouldn't have cared at all if it was Thursday and they made me wait until Friday morning or anything - I get it. I've worked in HR, I know stuff gets slowed down sometimes.
But when you're telling someone they're going to start on Monday and you can't even be in touch with them to make sure everything is in order on the last business day of the week, it's a sign you don't have your shit together.
You could make a whole company based on interview projects and free interns.I get wanting to see if potential employees are capable of doing the job beforehand, but some people are bordering on free labor shit.
That's the way it's always worked. Employers can get hundreds of applicants so to expect a response is unreasonable. It's always been assumed that no reply in a reasonable amount of time means you didn't get the job. This is normal procedure and always been the accepted protocol. They have to process hundreds of applications.I've applied for probably a couple hundred jobs in the past 25 years and I have literally never once had an employer let me know that I didn't get the job without me having to bug them.
Is it really that hard for companies to do the same. I have no sympathy for businesses in regards to this.
That's the way it's always worked. Employers can get hundreds of applicants so to expect a response is unreasonable. It's always been assumed that no reply in a reasonable amount of time means you didn't get the job. This is normal procedure and always been the accepted protocol. They have to process hundreds of applications.
It's a totally different circumstance when the applicant ghosts a job offer. The applicant does not get hundreds of job offers. A company goes through an extensive selection process and chose a guy, and he doesn't even have the time to take 2 seconds to turn down the offer? That's just rude, dude. It is not the same at all.
That's the way it's always worked. Employers can get hundreds of applicants so to expect a response is unreasonable. It's always been assumed that no reply in a reasonable amount of time means you didn't get the job. This is normal procedure and always been the accepted protocol. They have to process hundreds of applications.