Referrals are meaningless. Like, I am on at least 5 people's referral list. I just make shit up to make them look good. I am waiting for the company to throw a trick question in there to catch the lies but they never do.
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People are 'ghosting' at work, and it's driving companies crazy
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Our applicant tracking software (iCIMS) sends out declination emails to all candidates after a hire is made. It's pretty standard stuff.
As for the resumes, it takes time to go through all of them. Typically when you have candidates submitted you typically pause or slow down the review of new applicants
Your talking about a reference, recruiters want referrals. References are worthless
It's so easy to contact people that companies who don't send out rejection emails are consciously choosing to ghost.
Not sure. Many companies don't have recruiters. Instead they relie on HRBP/Generalist or the hiring manager to do the recruitment. If they aren't trained or aren't using best practices vthis could be why
Not responding? Before the offer stage? Eh, no. From the OP, did you just stop reading or what?
I don't give a shit if someone doesn't respond to an email. I stick by what I said above for the behaviour in the quote.
Then are you referring to employees who leave without notice or explanation in the quote you provided?
Or are you purely singling out employees not showing up on the first day and none of the other instances referenced in the article?
I'm talking about the behaviour I quoted, I've literally just said that. Anyway you seem to enjoy reading whatever you want to read so carry on.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
How old are you?
The behavior you quote includes leaving work without explanation or notice, which is a weird thing to be mad about when employers have no obligation to give notice or an explanation for firing people.
None of your business but probably older than you. I look much younger than I actually am.
Older than me and quoting your alma mater as you've apparently entirely missed the underlying implication.
Oh boy.
You have consistently been missing every implication from everyone responding to you, sweetheart.
^------------- Let me just re-iterate once again that your response to someone criticizing this was "LOL BUT I WENT TO STANFORD."
What are you going to do when someone who went to Harvard tells you you're wrong? Fold to their better degree? lol
Again, I did not miss any implication. I'm just having fun. If I had responded directly, then the outcome of your response would have been too obvious. I simply wanted to see where you would take this after my completely irrelevant response. You see, I'm done with my work for the day so I am here looking to read anything remotely interesting. So far, your responses have been disappointing.
If you're going to make illogical appeal to authority arguments, expect pushback. If you're going to be tacky and attempt to flaunt your degree (seriously, who does that?) as any sort of.... argument/basis, try to own it instead defaulting to "lol I was just trolling." No one likes someone who can't take responsibility for their own actions.
Also in regards to the bolded: uhhhh wow. Don't tip that fedora too hard, it might fall off your head.
He may in fact be older than you. His debate tactics are straight out of message boards circa 2003.
We get this so much more these days, probably starting in the last 2 years. People quit by just ghosting us completely. Almost always younger people who do it, they just seem adverse to confrontation. It's such a lame way to quit, but whatever.. I'm just Gen X'er bitching about the new generation like my parents did about us.
On the hiring front, we contact everyone who applies at least with a call, and if we don't contact we e-mail. We typically offer on the spot these days, as opposed to waiting... then again I'm hiring entry level. A lot of times they say yes, then ghost us after sending paperwork. Or do paperwork and never show or contact for orientation. It's so common these days we don't even blink an eye over it. It's almost expected we are ghosted by over half the offers we give out.
On the hiring front, we contact everyone who applies at least with a call, and if we don't contact we e-mail. We typically offer on the spot these days, as opposed to waiting... then again I'm hiring entry level. A lot of times they say yes, then ghost us after sending paperwork. Or do paperwork and never show or contact for orientation. It's so common these days we don't even blink an eye over it. It's almost expected we are ghosted by over half the offers we give out.
Entry level, I can see, especially if it's mainly younger people. Though I'd think a large part of your hiring process would be focused on weeding out the flakes. Do they have the option of going home and thinking about it, or do they have to either accept or reject the offer while they're there?
Companies should be more aware that in general, applying for jobs suck, because it is very difficult to read what's happening in the process. Getting hired too quick or an interview lasting weeks is always a brow riser, and that shit causes a lot of anxiety, and if they dont care about that now, they probably wont care either when I'm working for them.
You know, president, the dean, faculties, students, janitor, cafeteria lady.
Oh for sure they can mull it over. We never used to offer on the spot except rare occasions in the past. It's just almost necessary now since the market is so tight.. if we don't jump we lose people at an even higher rate.
As to weeding out flakes, it's tough.. I've been hiring for almost 20 years. Some of the tells of bad employees are still the same, but a lot have changed. Also, with entry level you have a lot of weirdos and sketchy people, but some of those people turn out as fine employees and the normal great interviewers end up fucking batshit crazy and major HR concerns. If fucks with you.
Then again, with such low unemployment, we take flyers on people all the time.
I can see the reasons for filter failures.
A lot of great interviewees have lots of practice at it - because they are out of work more often for "reasons". They accept low salaries, which attracts employers, and tell them exactly what they want to hear. Then, once they get in, they reveal themselves as primadonnas.
People who have been at one job for like 10 years are not great interviewers because they're used to being at work, not job hunting. Generally those are the people you want - loyal, dedicated people who would hold a single job all their lives if they could. But, they are also more expensive because of their dedicated salary history and regular pay raises.
In the end, you get what you pay for and you lose what you won't increase the pay for.
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Well, we typically get shit because we pay shit. Didn't used to be that way, but new owners and all that... they believe we can polish any turd into a diamond. Problem is, most turds are still always going to be turds. The few we polish move on where they can get rewarded for their work.
My fault for staying here, but been doing it so long I'm too lazy and not motivated enough to move on. Though this last 12 months has been trying...
Yeah, I'm clearly from a different generation too. If somebody didn't show up for work there would be legit concern. Maybe they were in a car accident or something. You know, sometimes people actually do care about others.
If it's a case of "I quit because fuck you", then just say that and it's done. A basic text is all that is needed. At least everybody knows why they were a no show. There might actually be workmates who actually care about other workmates and want to know why. A cold hearted ghosting is just rude and inconsiderate.
Pretty shitty of an employer to go snooping through someone's social media. Like why not just accept she called in sick?
How is that shitty when they provide there social media on their resumes for their portfolio? Also if you don't think that potential employers aren't looking at your social media accounts then I hate to break it to ya.
Yeah TBH I don't get ghosting jobs, but generally you're not supposed to ghost white collar jobs. It's poor etiquette.
Snooping through social media is super weird. But, I have heard that a lot of stylists and people in those fields tend to be REALLY flaky, for some reason.
Probably becuse there's a lot of job opportunities as well as private work.
its one thing to require a portfolio. its another to go through someone's social media account and make a judgement call. also, so what if she didn't wanna show, it was technically a lose-lose situation for her. call in sick or say she didn't wanna take the interview that day.
Like I said, if you don't think companies are already doing this then you're in for a rude awakening. If the person didn't want to have employers look at their personal social media then she should have provided a business only account. You all are acting as if my girlfriend searched for her profile on her own, she was just reviewing her portfolio (which was provided on her resume) before the interview and the person happened to call right when she was doing so. Also, that day she was baffled that out of 5 scheduled interviews, she had 3 no call no shows, 1 call-in sick and only 1 who bothered to show up but was completely unprofessional.
I get that really. I sent like...30 last year? For only 1 to offer great feedback
Getting hired too quick is a huge red flag. I won't accept an offer anymore without an interview. I'm interviewing them as much as they're interviewing me. Got burned once, not again. In a single interview I could have diagnosed a list of things that made it a poor fit.
Plus places that hire quick also fire quick.
If I was rejected after 2 interviews I'd rather not have the awkward phone call.
To each their own; but beyond not really caring about the principals of it all I'm aware I'm not all that significant to the people I show up to interview with. This is not some established "relationship" it's a person I may possibly talk to twice in my life and then never again. Or maybe I'll talk to them those 2 times and then spend 10 years working with them and be the godfather to their children. I don't know, I just met them, and I'm well aware they are probably busy as shit and might have interviewed 10 people in the past week.
Because people lie all the time and abuse something meant for people to actually be ill? As a manager I get lied to constantly and it really sucks. People think calling out is ok and it's harmless but if we didn't need you at your scheduled time we wouldn't have scheduled you/employ you. It's rude, hurts the company, and hurts other employees. Unless you're geneuinely sick be an adult and handle your responsibilities.
If someone calls out more than once a month I usually fire them unless documented. If it's a real emergency/hardship then I never fire people. I even give people rides that live 40 minutes away because her engine block cracked and she didn't have a car for 2 weeks.
If someone is calling out once a month and hast the PTO or sick time to cover it, and is getting their job done, leave them be. People have a lot of issues and we need to be flexible.
Sorry but no. Calling out once a month is ridiculous. By being absent you're literally not getting the job done. It's weird I'm 39 and somehow have managed to not need to call out constantly and like I was just saying calling out bc people feel like it happens constantly. It's about 50/50 between truth and lie.
I remember working Halloween one year. A seasonal employee who was hired for Halloween came in on the 31st, looked around, then left.
BTW, the reason a lot of employers don't call to tell someone they aren't going to hire them is it's an awkward short call because legally you have to watch what you say as an employer, so anything more than "Sorry, we aren't interested in hiring you at this time" is really saying too much. A denial e-mail is a nice thing to do at least.. but an employer doesn't owe an explanation to anyone applying.
And that's fine. But they can stop crying over employees returning the favor.
Not really the same thing, one has no relationship at all.. and one at least established some relationship.
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That's cool, so don't complain about candidates ghosting. Again, I've been ghosted by employers tons. Everyone does, but I always appreciate when employers tell me they went with someone else. A simple email is fine.
Don't complain about the courtesy contract when you never held you end of the bargain.
Corporations are made up of people, your coworkers. People like you. Imagine someone standing up for you. That's decency and integrity. People work at these places. That's who you hurt when you ghost.
Something that I did started encouraging others to do (after I had a friend have a terrible job search) is to leave negative reviews on glassdoor for companies who ghost you. Ghosting them in kind doesn't really add a lot of value and can have negative repercussion because people talk to each other. If a candidate ghosts two or three companies, word is going to travel and it could really have a negative impact on getting a position you would actually want.