The BBC visited these very poor people and they seem to be duped by the media.
People using food banks didn't know who to vote. They didn't trust Corbyn.
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Poor uneducated people continuing to be preyed on to continue voting against their own best interests.
fucking idiots. I hope they do ok for the next five years, but a good reminder that they are dumbasses
This callousness makes my blood boil.
They were taken advantage of.
The old "50% of people are dumber than the average person." strikes again.
Can't really blame them with the state of UK news coverage though, what a fucking sham that is.
Can't really blame them with the state of UK news coverage though, what a fucking sham that is.
Universal Credit has destroyed this country (Tory rework of social security) and the last 10 years have proven this. So for some of the poorest and most disenfranchised to basically give the keys to the Tories for another 10 years is beyond Turkeys voting for Christmas.
It's getting in a bath and dropping a toaster in it.
It's getting in a bath and dropping a toaster in it.
Have been seeing a lot of that and yea have some fucking empathy, there was a massive media campaign smearing Corbyn and the Labour party throughout and people in poverty often don't have the time or resources to stay more informed than that, they're just trying to get through to the next day. Ire should be directed at the Tories and the media apparatus that their hands are all over.
That's cool and all but while you are busy having no sympathy, a bunch of people are being manipulated into voting against their own interests.
The left needs to be able to fight the propaganda machine and win back these voters. I don't know how to do it, but I don't think a lack of sympathy is the answer.
The shock on that reporters face. I do think it’s partly labour’s fault for not getting the message out there properly, but really it’s the right wing media.
Struggle to feel compassion for people that have doomed us to five years of a mega-Tory fascist government.
It's pretty simple. You vote for the person who isn't a massive fascist and was going to enact logical policies rooted in sympathy for people living in poverty.
I guess they opted for the seductive hateful politics of the tory party "it's the immigrants fault I am in poverty" rather than anything actually based on reality.
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It's pretty simple. You vote for the person who isn't a massive fascist and was going to enact logical policies rooted in sympathy for people living in poverty.
I guess they opted for the seductive hateful politics of the tory party "it's the immigrants fault I am in poverty" rather than anything actually based on reality.
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If you’re poor and you vote Tories, I honestly don’t know what else can be done to convince you that the Tories both hate your guts, and would do anything in their power to make your life worse. I mean they’re not exactly hiding their intent, so I don’t understand how you get duped.
Even with the media doing a hatchet job on Corbyn, it was certainly no secret that Boris was a huge racist, Xenophobe, sexist and liar. This wasn't information that was only available to people who regularly read The Guardian.
I'm sure they would have sympathy for those who are honestly good people that were taken advantage of. However the bigotry was well known so fuck these people who voted for it.
They've just lived through 10 years of a Tory Government and will know the switch to Universal Credit obliterated the social security sector? There's a very high chance if their dependency on food banks increased, it was because of the Tory Government ruling at the time. Why would you reward that same Government?
There comes a point where a human being needs to be questioned if they used their head, no matter their economic status.
Same it seems like Momentum spent a ton of time creating stupid memes for students on social media. But then how do you get to these people how do you get through to these people? But then Labour did focus on these fluff policies that really shouldn't have been in their manifesto at all, as if they were guaranteed to win so they could do anything they wanted. They should have focused on the basics of getting the message across of what they are going to do to help these people and everyone to row back what the Cons have done. They should never have spoken about stupid stuff like internet for everyone when people can barely feed themselves currently. Every time they were on TV or anywhere they should have spoken about what is wrong with the current society and how they were going to help people, you have to drip feed them, and constantly repeat the same simple messages.
Anyway I don't think Labour could have really done anything Brexit was to much in the minds of people "Get it done" who cares if it hurts as long as it hurts those cunts over there as well.
Genuinely how ignorant do you have to be to think "oh yeah I like the look of those Tories, even with the last 10 years of austerity and Universal Credit, they still seem more trustworthy than the opposition."
I'm pissed off at the Tories and media for duping people like this but surely they could see the change in social security. Do they suddenly think the Tories are gonna do a U-turn on their policies?
I'm pissed off at the Tories and media for duping people like this but surely they could see the change in social security. Do they suddenly think the Tories are gonna do a U-turn on their policies?
Blame the proles brehs, ignore the propaganda campaign
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I get it, but come on. I'm not going to shit on the poor who were taken advantage of by the Tories and the media.
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I get it, but come on. I'm not going to shit on the poor who were taken advantage of by the Tories and the media.
"But Boris will be different, surely?"
My God what is up with the electorate in England. Guy moved out of a homeless shelter and is at a food bank and still likes Boris.
My God what is up with the electorate in England. Guy moved out of a homeless shelter and is at a food bank and still likes Boris.
You can't. The media is owned by billionaires happy to fund propaganda that fucks over the poor.
My partner is also in the “no sympathy” camp, but I think a fair share of people really were duped all over again by poor coverage, unchallenged lies, and so forth. Yeah, yeah, be smarter. But let’s also give those liars credit where it’s due. They tricked many people again. Undermined the electoral process through disinformation. They didn’t luck into this. This was the strategy. Like the bus. And it will continue happening until measures are enacted to get them to take responsibility.
Class solidarity, people. We’re all fucked when conservative puppets of the elites like the Tories get to dictate how the discourse is led.
Class solidarity, people. We’re all fucked when conservative puppets of the elites like the Tories get to dictate how the discourse is led.
Some folks get overwhelmed by conflicting signals and their processors start ignoring information.
I'd like to see a percentage of how many white poor people voted Boris/Tory vs. the percentage of non-white poor people. Similarly a comparison of straight poor people vs LGBT poor.
At what point do we start holding people responsible for their voting decisions? Despite all the propaganda, the information is out there, available to all. If you are poor and still vote conservative, you are a fucking idiot. Maybe less facebook and dancing shows, and more actual news. Maybe use your brain for once.
The general public is stupid and racist. That's why it works. Propaganda only works on those predisposed to accept it.
When a fash blames immigrants for poverty i don't think 'well, that makes sense', i think 'then why are immigrants poor like me and you are rich?'.
I'm all for class solidarity, but at some point these idiots are just class traitors.
When a fash blames immigrants for poverty i don't think 'well, that makes sense', i think 'then why are immigrants poor like me and you are rich?'.
I'm all for class solidarity, but at some point these idiots are just class traitors.
So many supposedly progressive (one assumes that's the self identification) people washing their hands of solidarity, education and tradition (whilst simultaneously harking back to 'old style' leftist policy, somehow) and saying 'nah fuck you'. GG.
you can hate what I said all you want but it doesn’t change the fact this austerity hasn’t just appeared. It’s been happening ever since the tories took control. Yet people who suffer from said austerity think, I know, I’ll continue to vote for the party that makes me suffer.
Call it ignorance, call it being taken advantage of, call it whatever you want but if you continue to ignore the facts and vote to destroy this country and everyone’s future you do not deserve any sympathy.
I have sympathy for people who voted for change and are suffering and will continue to suffer.
Call it ignorance, call it being taken advantage of, call it whatever you want but if you continue to ignore the facts and vote to destroy this country and everyone’s future you do not deserve any sympathy.
I have sympathy for people who voted for change and are suffering and will continue to suffer.
This is a contemporary variant on the 1/3 of the w/c who voted Tory out of class deference up until the late 70s.
Dumb then, dumb now.
Dumb then, dumb now.
I guess everyone has their limit.
This shit has been going on for years and, for the people who voted to stay in the EU three years ago and have voted against the Tories at every opportunity, it has been nothing but a constant reminder that the majority of the country just really fucking hates foreigners and there's nothing we can do to change that.
Boris Johnson won the day he wrote blatant lies on the side of a bus and nobody gave a shit and I for one am tired of it all.
I am tired of the lies and the scapegoats and the delays and the excuses and that terrible foreboding sense of danger, knowing that once we leave the EU everything will be so much worse and nothing I have done for the last three years has mattered at all. None of my protesting, none of my voting, none of it.
So yes, fuck everyone that voted for the Tories. We deserve whatever happens next.
People voting against their own interests in the reason conservatives even have a chance in general, this is not surprising at all.
Also poor people usually don't have time to worry or educate yourself about politics, they are freaking surviving. This is the norm, and it's depressing.
Also poor people usually don't have time to worry or educate yourself about politics, they are freaking surviving. This is the norm, and it's depressing.
The only Labour leader in living memory who was able to avoid this was Tony Blair, and he did not do it by rising above, he did it by entering into a Faustian pact with Murdoch.
how come it's consistently a larger portion of white poor people that vote against their best interests?
Not sure that makes any sense when there have been many attempts to show why those policies would be beneficial. But instead it’s soundly rejected every time and all that’s needed to defeat it was to blame brown people and immigrants for their problems.
At some point, those attempts at solidarity and tradition are pointless and a waste of time. The stakes were known. And they chose to double down on the worst possible outcome.
Blair won, and was able to do far more tangible good for the people of Britain than Corbyn and Co ever will. I’d happily stomach a few Sun photo ops for that.
Damned near every leader the party’s had in recent memory has been totally incompetent with the media, and I’m not willing to tolerate it as just being a fact of the job any more.
I'm sorry, These people are old enough to know what a Tory government offered and they still went out and did it.
They don't care. Are mostly anti immigrant, and will never learn. I expect we'll hear all the tears over the next few years before they go and vote Tory again. I mean that guy said he knows it sounds bad but he likes what he hears Boris say. This is a man having to go to a food bank for him and his family.
Here is the reality even if they get back on their feet they'd vote Tory.
I think a lot of people in this thread have to come to the realization that a ton of the UK swings to the right.
They don't care. Are mostly anti immigrant, and will never learn. I expect we'll hear all the tears over the next few years before they go and vote Tory again. I mean that guy said he knows it sounds bad but he likes what he hears Boris say. This is a man having to go to a food bank for him and his family.
Here is the reality even if they get back on their feet they'd vote Tory.
They have enough time to follow the football results and the latest stupid gossip and TV shows. They have time, they just don't care and tune out of politics.
I think a lot of people in this thread have to come to the realization that a ton of the UK swings to the right.
i mean, what do we start classing as news? the sun? the BBC? the guardian? guido fawkes? political correspondent on twitter?
it's all fucked
I am not saying that racism doesn't play a part as well.
People are always going to go for pleasure before giving a shit about politics, most people just don't care.
One leader said he wanted nobody to be in poverty or using a food bank, and he'd make the big changes needed to achieve that. The other did nothing of the sort. They weren't taken advantage of, they willingly made the choice to vote for the man that never once said he'd improve their lives, and in fact blamed them for their problems. At some point people have to accept responsibility for their actions, this is one of them.
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Not facebook. Not Daily Mail.
People need to think about what they read. Yeah there's a lot of propaganda. But people need to use their brains for more than discussing the latest telly gossip. Ask questions. Engage. Doubt. The majority are intellectually lazy. The majority are just dumb and have no desire to be better or learn or know more.
Try having a conversation with the average person about anything that is not gossip, soap operas or sports, or question them on anything political. It's a fucking desert of nothingness. You're lucky if you don't get some conspiracy shit even. This is not exclusive to poor people, it's endemic to society.
None of this is new. It's a story as old as civilization. People don't fucking learn.