People who walk with their dogs unleashed

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Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just stick with the opinion that most (yeah, I said most) dog owners specifically are self-centered assholes when it comes to their pets; the world basically revolves around them.
But you don’t understand - MY DOG is different. There’s no need for a leash or training because nothing has happened in the past.
 

John Caboose

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Oct 26, 2017
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I’ve seen so many people here in germany with their dogs not on leashes, and doing fuck all to prevent them from approaching people or dogs. I don’t want strangers, or their dogs, going up to my dog without my prior consent.
 

MrT

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Oct 27, 2017
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It occurs to me that this kind of socialisation, which is normal in my area, is much more important than formal training. We also pay a lot of attention to her foraging instincts and accommodate them in walks. If she wants to stop and have a good sniff, I consider that to be much more important than making sure she completes some preconceived route I made up with my simian brain.
Yeah socialisation is incredibly important, it's one of the main reasons we take our dog to 2 training classes a week. She gets to see her regular dog pals AND gets a fun training session at the same time. We've been told by trainers how great she is at approaching other dogs, she shows clear signs of submission/non-threat until they've both had a good sniff of each other, then she'll happily bounce off with them for a good play and/or chase if they signal they're up for it.

It's really irritating seeing people that drag their dogs along on their walk, pulling them away every time they stop to sniff something. Another example of people who don't want their dogs to be dogs. Like, when I take my dog out for a walk it's for HER benefit, not mine. When appropriate I'll even let her choose the route we take so she gets the most stimulation out of the walk.
 

LL_Decitrig

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's really irritating seeing people that drag their dogs along on their walk, pulling them away every time they stop to sniff something. Another example of people who don't want their dogs to be dogs. Like, when I take my dog out for a walk it's for HER benefit, not mine. When appropriate I'll even let her choose the route we take so she gets the most stimulation out of the walk.
This is one weird thing: our greyhound sometimes reveals that she knows more about local geography than I do. She led me to a new entrance to her favourite off-leash field recently. I had no idea it existed. It was in a street I had never walked down before. I still haven't worked out how she knew about it.
 
Unleashed dogs are responsible for the vast majority of cow escapes in my village. This was caused yesterday by an unleashed dog that incited a stampede that in turn totaled part of the fencing and sent the cows all over town.

 
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Gypsie

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Oct 29, 2017
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Right so I took some random pictures of a walk I had this morning at a University near where I live - it's one of 3-4 places nearby I go with woods / big open spaces / lakes etc, it's a public park full of cyclists / parents with prams & small children and of course loads of dogs off the lead.

I don't disagree with the OP that in residential areas and what not they should be on a lead to avoid what happened to him but is it really the case in some places the walk I just had would be illegal / highly frowned upon?

Big dogs, small dogs and everything in between, parents with kids under 5 (I saw 6-7 this walk but no photos for obvious reasons), joggers and mountain bikers. All sharing the park like normal human beings. No dog fights no drama. Just humans walking around a lovely place.




This to me is a normal dog walk. Pictures are in a random order for some reason and I cba to rearrange.
 

vrietje

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Dec 4, 2018
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I know one person in the neighborhood that doesn't even take a leash with him. And his dog is always walking a few meters in front off him. When the dog was younger It came running to my dog that was on a leash, and because my dog had some bad experiences when she was a pup she tried to chased it away, when I yelled at the to put his dog on a leash he yelled Shut the F*ck off at with his 3 year old child next to him. It happend a second time only then his wife was walking the dog. So my dog started to chase the dog away and broke the leash. She didn't bite and it was a lot of barking. But there are more people when I walk the dog on the leash and the walk behind you with a lose dog. I always learned from my parents when we had a dog when you see a other dog on a leash put yours also on the leash.
And off course when going to the forest I let my dog run loose too.
I live in a street that runs to a some what larger green area, but it isn't officially a dog park.
 

Rory

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Oct 25, 2017
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Walking dogs unleashed is fine, as long as you have control over them. The dog has to come back to you when you call it etc. also be well behaved not to jump up on children.

What is the problem, are dog owners who walk their dog, let it go rambo on other dogs and do not even call their dog back when your dog is obviously scared. So scared that you pick up your dog to „protect it“ from the other dog. Then just keep walking without calling their dog or saying a word/recognising the bs behaviour they just showcased.

Especially if this happens during a time when all dogs must be leashed either way for enviorment sake (March-August).
 

Rory

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Everybody always thinks that they're the one good one and everyone else is the problem. Just like how many people think they're great drivers but everyone else is a bad driver.
According to Era my dog is special because I potty trained her within 1 1/2 day without a stupid crate.
 

John Rabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's actually illegal in my city, but I see it fairly often and it's fucking infuriating. I don't give a shit how nice or well-trained you think your dog may be, my dog is not automatically nice to other dogs (or people), and at the end of the day you're an average idiot with an average dog that will act on instinct and potentially endanger itself and others given the proper stimulus.

Leash your fucking dogs.
 

Nepenthe

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Unleashed dogs are responsible for the vast majority of cow escapes in my village. This was caused yesterday by an unleashed dog that incited a stampede that in turn totaled part of the fencing and sent the cows all over town.
What a bunch of cowards.

No seriously that's quite the local issue to have. How often does that happen?
 

NewDonkStrong

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Nov 7, 2017
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Living in South LA, you get used to it because there’s dozens of stray dogs and cats wandering on every corner.
 

Edward

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Oct 30, 2017
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Everybody always thinks that they're the one good one and everyone else is the problem. Just like how many people think they're great drivers but everyone else is a bad driver.
Before leash law was passed here i never put my dogs on leashes and they were cool as cucumbers. They weren't aggressive to anything their entire lives. Now i leash them but i do let them run in my front yard without one since it's legal and i know they won't go 10 feet from me.
 

Rory

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I didn't know this. Which country has that law?
Germany. BUT!

I miss labelled the period. Its from 1. April till 15. Juli. Its called “Brunft und Setzzeit”.

It’s not a federal law, instead its decided on state level, but each commune is responsible to discuss whether you are allowed to unleash your dog on public parks and greenery that belongs to the city and is not part of the open landscape such as a forest would be.

Dog meadows, playgrounds, even agility parcours and co are created to give dog owner alternatives.

Some cities allow dog owners to do a test, then you are free off leash.
 

Doomguy Fieri

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Nov 3, 2017
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It's dangerous for the dog, dangerous for people around the dog, and incredibly irresponsible. I think in Maryland it's punishable by a fine, and I'll snitch on you. Dogs need to be on leashes in public, no alternative.
 

LL_Decitrig

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's dangerous for the dog, dangerous for people around the dog, and incredibly irresponsible. I think in Maryland it's punishable by a fine, and I'll snitch on you. Dogs need to be on leashes in public, no alternative.
I keep seeing this. I do think we have a much more relaxed dog culture here in the UK. There are public areas where it's normal to unleash a dog while maintaining vigilance and being prepared to leash it. These tend to be fenced areas, and I have noticed that some owners trust their dogs on remote, quiet footpaths.

In particular, beaches that do not have signs prohibiting dogs are very popular places to take your dog for a run, and off-leash is preferable. These are all public areas in the UK.
 

norog

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Oct 27, 2017
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To those that let their dogs off-leash in wild places: it's disturbing to the wildlife and can actually incite animal attacks. Please don't.
 
What a bunch of cowards.

No seriously that's quite the local issue to have. How often does that happen?
That's the 4th cow extravaganza since I moved here a year and half ago (that I know of), but sheep and chickens get chased out too. Two of those four were dog-related, and word from the locals is that a number of ones before I came were dog-incited. We have a real problem with people crossing fields when taking their dogs on walks and them going after cows or baby sheep during the lambing season. Had a few deaths (sheep) this year. :(
 

RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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Both, any other questions?
I'm not trying to like call your out or anything but I would be interested to see the data that says a majority of dog owners are self-centered assholes
Also farmland. Letting a dog off-leash in a field or other space with grazing livestock is very bad.
If I let my dog out when my chickens are grazing, hoo boy. My kids have done it on accident a couple times and it's like a beeline, it's almost like what happens when you attack chickens in Zelda.
 

Rory

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just stick with the opinion that most (yeah, I said most) dog owners specifically are self-centered assholes when it comes to their pets; the world basically revolves around them.
Most a lot of bakeries request owners to keep dogs out here. I would not go shopping there. Maybe you think that’s selfcentered?

If I go shopping at a bakery, I want to take my dog with me. In Germany pets are treated like possessions. There is no possible way to secure your dog to make sure its not stolen (and this has happened recently in my city a lot). You would not leave your car/bike/whatever with free access wide open parked infront of the bakery.

Why should I be forced to do that with my dog? Besides people spread poisened treats and such around those spots (that’s how our neighbours dog died).

As long as my dog does not get into contact with food (as its given in a bakery or alike), I expect them to welcome me along with my furry pal. Same goes for restaurants. Else they wont get my money.
 

Rory

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To those that let their dogs off-leash in wild places: it's disturbing to the wildlife and can actually incite animal attacks. Please don't.
I disagree, it depends on where and when. Whether you do it in agreement with the there working ranger. It’s heavily depending on dog and owner team as well. Walking without a leash at hand is a no go.
 

Zedelima

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have a golden retriever, and as much as i trust him, i never walk with him unleshead in public places because 1- i now how is to have fear of dogs, and he very rarely approaches other people, and when he do, he just sniff the person, but some people can panic and i dont want that to happen 2-he already got attacked 3 times by unleashead dogs so i keep him as close as i can to try to avoid that (he got attacked when he was under a leash and the other dogs not)
 

LL_Decitrig

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Oct 27, 2017
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Most a lot of bakeries request owners to keep dogs out here. I would not go shopping there. Maybe you think that’s selfcentered?

If I go shopping at a bakery, I want to take my dog with me. In Germany pets are treated like possessions. There is no possible way to secure your dog to make sure its not stolen (and this has happened recently in my city a lot). You would not leave your car/bike/whatever with free access wide open parked infront of the bakery.

Why should I be forced to do that with my dog? Besides people spread poisened treats and such around those spots (that’s how our neighbours dog died).

As long as my dog does not get into contact with food (as its given in a bakery or alike), I expect them to welcome me along with my furry pal. Same goes for restaurants. Else they wont get my money.
Most British shops forbid dogs and I'm okay with that. I find that an acceptable limitation, though it's often quite onerous.

I've occasionally used a shop while walking a dog. When I go into Sainsbury I tie her up outside and shop as quickly as possible. I'd rather take her home and then go out to the shops without her, unless the weather is really awful.

I don't worry about theft. Perhaps I should.
 

Rory

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Oct 25, 2017
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Most British shops forbid dogs and I'm okay with that. I find that an acceptable limitation, though it's often quite onerous.

I've occasionally used a shop while walking a dog. When I go into Sainsbury I tie her up outside and shop as quickly as possible. I'd rather take her home and then go out to the shops without her, unless the weather is really awful.

I don't worry about theft. Perhaps I should.
Ours is 7 month old and really popular. While she’s a mix, indeed rather rare one. I dunno if I were as worried if she was an adult already.

Regular shopping (like cloth) is currently too much stress either way. But we order most stuff online anyway.

A daily thing is the bakery, I want her to endure that setting well especially because i intend to take her with me to work with children.
 

Wolfgav

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is a major issue at the park by my house. People constantly allow their dogs to run around off lease with complete disregard to those around them.
 

LL_Decitrig

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Right so I took some random pictures of a walk I had this morning at a University near where I live - it's one of 3-4 places nearby I go with woods / big open spaces / lakes etc, it's a public park full of cyclists / parents with prams & small children and of course loads of dogs off the lead.

I don't disagree with the OP that in residential areas and what not they should be on a lead to avoid what happened to him but is it really the case in some places the walk I just had would be illegal / highly frowned upon?

Big dogs, small dogs and everything in between, parents with kids under 5 (I saw 6-7 this walk but no photos for obvious reasons), joggers and mountain bikers. All sharing the park like normal human beings. No dog fights no drama. Just humans walking around a lovely place.




This to me is a normal dog walk. Pictures are in a random order for some reason and I cba to rearrange.

That looks like a really great environment for dogs and humans. One thing I've encountered even in the UK is owners who don't seem to understand normal dog socialisation. They'll apologise for their dog "sticking his nose where it doesn't belong", which is the dog equivalent of a handshake. If your dog is permitted to learn how to make friends, it will. It'll probably be safer around other dogs, and far less skittish about being approached by a strange dog.