Persona’s Joker coming to Smash Ultimate on 4/17 [+ Stage Builder, Smash World, Shared Content with version 3.0]

[HylianSeven]

Somehow this didn't hit me until now, but I had wondered what all the other color schemes for Joker were referencing, other than the obvious Akechi one.

Then it hit me, this may be old news but:

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Interesting they chose to reference the origin of Aria of the Soul as "Revelations: Persona", but I guess that makes sense since that was it's official western original release. They didn't COMPLETELY leave out P1 and P2 though with these colors.

 

[Neoxon]

Somehow this didn't hit me until now, but I had wondered what all the other color schemes for Joker were referencing, other than the obvious Akechi one.

Then it hit me, this may be old news but:









Interesting they chose to reference the origin of Aria of the Soul as "Revelations: Persona", but I guess that makes sense since that was it's official western original release. They didn't COMPLETELY leave out P1 and P2 though with these colors.

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I believe that was pointed out by a few people already, though I find it kinda funny how P2 & P5 share a color scheme.

 

[HylianSeven]

I believe that was pointed out by a few people already, though I find it kinda funny how P2 & P5 share a color scheme.

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Yeah, at least for the PSP versions. The PS1 versions of both P1 and P2 had somewhat different color schemes, especially for P2. Also worth pointing out that those color schemes aren't as prominent in the actual game as they are on the box art like in P3, P4, and P5.

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To this day that Persona 1 US box art is a mess and really doesn't tell you anything of what the game is about.

 

[Lord Vatek]

To this day that Persona 1 US box art is a mess and really doesn't tell you anything of what the game is about.

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Honestly I kind of prefer it to 4's and 5's "Shove every character into a symmetrical column" method.

 

[Woylie]

I didn't realize until now, but it is pretty weird that Jack Frost didn't show up at all. You'd think he'd be a shoe-in for a cameo in the stage background

 

[HylianSeven]

Honestly I kind of prefer it to 4's and 5's "Shove every character into a symmetrical column" method.

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I'd rather them have something like Persona 1 PSP, or ideally, the Japanese box arts for both Persona 2 games.

 

[HylianSeven]

I didn't realize until now, but it is pretty weird that Jack Frost didn't show up at all. You'd think he'd be a shoe-in for a cameo in the stage background

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It kind of has me wondering if a Shin Megami Tensei character isn't completely off the table, but I don't want to get my hopes up. It would be weird to have two of the five Fighters' Pass characters be Atlus characters.

 

[Datajoy]

Hilarious and slickly put together video of some fun Joker play.

 

[ZiggyPalffyLA]

This Persona music is... not for me.
Gonna pull a Final Fantasy and just enable 2 tracks on Mementos. Yeah, controversial opinion. I know. Neat stage though.

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Agreed completely, it's just...bad. Like, I get what style it's going for but even with that it's poorly done. There are more reasons every day for me to never get into this series.

 

[Balfour]

I am appalled

SICKENED even

 

[Jintor]

absolutely gross opinions *shakes head*

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I mean, I'm used to people being wrong on the internet, but "Persona music is bad" is probably one of the most wrong things ever. It's probably more wrong than people who believe the earth is flat.

 

[Tora]

Look how great this content drop was. It'd be nice if the remaining 4 fighters (Brave aside) didn't get leaked and we got surprised instead, it's tiring hearing constant rumours to be honest

 

[Shan]

Look how great this content drop was. It'd be nice if the remaining 4 fighters (Brave aside) didn't get leaked and we got surprised instead, it's tiring hearing constant rumours to be honest

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It's quite difficult to avoid leaks/rumours when it comes to Smash unfortunately. Even when you don't seek that information you get exposed to it one way or another. :P

 

[Tora]

It's quite difficult to avoid leaks/rumours when it comes to Smash unfortunately. Even when you don't seek that information you get exposed to it one way or another. :P

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Yeah haha that's the problem, I hope at the very least that the majority of leaks are incorrect. The Goku dream still lives on!

 

[AllEchse]

Look how great this content drop was. It'd be nice if the remaining 4 fighters (Brave aside) didn't get leaked and we got surprised instead, it's tiring hearing constant rumours to be honest

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I loved it.
Everyone was talking about Metroid Prime Trilogy at the VGAs and was so sure (I'm still sad it didn't happen), but then Nintendo came totally out of the left field with this announcement.
Apart from the datamining most of the smash rumors turned out wrong so far, so I think there will still be surprises.
And I think Nintendo will be more conscious about keeping there update files clean after the Jack and Brave thing.
So far most of the "leaks" that talk aboit Dragon Quest have some details that are off.

 

[ckareset]

Video comparison of the balance changes

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This is all you online projectile spam and campers fault

 

[Kivvi]

It kind of has me wondering if a Shin Megami Tensei character isn't completely off the table, but I don't want to get my hopes up. It would be weird to have two of the five Fighters' Pass characters be Atlus characters.

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This would be insane BUT it's still weird. I expected Jack Frost at least as a spirit but nothing. Maybe just maybe, if SMT V is handled like a second party game for Nintendo then but only then we might get a SMT protag for a fighter. And would you know, Joker has a completely different fighting style what we expected. No summoning different Persona, just Arsene, gun and a knife, tetrakarn/makarakarn for reflect no agi/zio/bufu/garu for attack. Where am I heading whit this?
Sorry, not sorry, I need SMT V in my life.

 

[HylianSeven]

This would be insane BUT it's still weird. I expected Jack Frost at least as a spirit but nothing. Maybe just maybe, if SMT V is handled like a second party game for Nintendo then but only then we might get a SMT protag for a fighter. And would you know, Joker has a completely different fighting style what we expected. No summoning different Persona, just Arsene, gun and a knife, tetrakarn/makarakarn for reflect no agi/zio/bufu/garu for attack. Where am I heading whit this?
Sorry, not sorry, I need SMT V in my life.

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Same, they kept saying "please wait a bit longer" somewhat recently, and I would guess it would be after they talk about Persona 5 The Royals and Persona 5 S.

If they add any SMT protagonist, it without a doubt would have to be Demi-Fiend. You could argue maybe Flynn comes close in popularity, but I don't think he's above Demi-Fiend in popularity.

DEMI-FIEND

ONE MORE BRO TO SMASH WITH!

JACK FROST

HEE HO SMASH BRO!

 

[Professor Beef]

Look how great this content drop was. It'd be nice if the remaining 4 fighters (Brave aside) didn't get leaked and we got surprised instead, it's tiring hearing constant rumours to be honest

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a wise sage once said "there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

 

[HylianSeven]

a wise sage once said "there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"

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I honestly kind of doubt the "brave" thing being what we think it is. Given how "Jane" has yet to be anything, if it's anything, I'm not sure I believe everything that's there is the data. Was there anything else to suggest that "brave" was Erdrick?

The only other thing I think "Jane" could be at this point, if it wasn't something that was cut or an entirely different character, is a female Joker echo fighter, or that new female character in P5R. Joker came with the standard 8 color/costume variants. It would be weird to make him the only character with more than 8.

 

[Weiss]

I honestly kind of doubt the "brave" thing being what we think it is. Given how "Jane" has yet to be anything, if it's anything, I'm not sure I believe everything that's there is the data. Was there anything else to suggest that "brave" was Erdrick?

The only other thing I think "Jane" could be at this point, if it wasn't something that was cut or an entirely different character, is a female Joker echo fighter, or that new female character in P5R. Joker came with the standard 8 color/costume variants. It would be weird to make him the only character with more than 8.

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Other than the Brave datamine there's Tansut (the guy who leaked Cloud in Smash For) saying his source confirmed a Dragon Quest character, most likely Erdrick.

 

[HylianSeven]

Other than the Brave datamine there's Tansut (the guy who leaked Cloud in Smash For) saying his source confirmed a Dragon Quest character, most likely Erdrick.

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I didn't even know someone leaked Cloud in Smash For. I am guessing no one believed them at the time because it sounded so outlandish until it was announced.

 

[Neoxon]

I didn't even know someone leaked Cloud in Smash For. I am guessing no one believed them at the time because it sounded so outlandish until it was announced.

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He used Star Wars metaphors to leak Cloud, & nobody noticed until after the fact.

 

[HylianSeven]

He used Star Wars metaphors to leak Cloud, & nobody noticed until after the fact.

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I would ask if that was possibly just a lucky guess, but I think as the time Cloud was much more far-fetched than even Joker was. Did he leak anything else that he got right?

 

[Ryce]

Did he leak anything else that he got right?

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His contact is at Square Enix, so Cloud and Dragon Quest are all he's ever heard about Smash Bros.

 

[Neoxon]

I would ask if that was possibly just a lucky guess, but I think as the time Cloud was much more far-fetched than even Joker was. Did he leak anything else that he got right?

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Not that I recall, unless I missed something.

EDIT: What Ryce said.

His contact is at Square Enix, so Cloud and Dragon Quest are all he's ever heard about Smash Bros.

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[HylianSeven]

Not that I recall, unless I missed something.

EDIT: What Ryce said.

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His contact is at Square Enix, so Cloud and Dragon Quest are all he's ever heard about Smash Bros.

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I see, that makes more sense.

I guess the (even further fetched) dream of Neku from TWEWY is dead. Still holding out for a Mii costume.

 

[NeonZ]

Same, they kept saying "please wait a bit longer" somewhat recently, and I would guess it would be after they talk about Persona 5 The Royals and Persona 5 S.

If they add any SMT protagonist, it without a doubt would have to be Demi-Fiend. You could argue maybe Flynn comes close in popularity, but I don't think he's above Demi-Fiend in popularity.

DEMI-FIEND

ONE MORE BRO TO SMASH WITH!

JACK FROST

HEE HO SMASH BRO!

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Every number we have puts SMTIV significantly above Nocturne and it was in a Nintendo system. Demi-Fiend above Flynn would just make no sense.

The bad thing about this is that due to the SMT protagonists fighting directly, I doubt they'd use demons at all outside of maybe a Final Smash (Flynn could have that cool Street Pass attack where he summons his team all at once in a 3d animation). FE is much more tied into the whole battlefield commander aspect and you don't see FE characters summoning other people for specials. Maybe we could get some demon spirits though since Persona got us nothing.

 

[Linde]

Beneath the Mask (remix) absolutely slaps!

 

[ASaiyan]

I only just noticed that one of Joker's alt costumes is Akechi...

Ugh. Stay classy JP Persona fandom.

 

[BlueManifest]

Has it been determined if joker is actually OP

 

[Balfour]

Has it been determined if joker is actually OP

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He's not. Because aside from his good edge guard game, he's weak without Arsene

I seen most say he's probably a high tier character, but does not have something to make him really top tier/op ?

But that's all I have heard

 

[ffdgh]

He's not. Because aside from his good edge guard game, he's weak without Arsene

I seen most say he's probably a high tier character, but does not have something to make him really top tier/op ?

But that's all I have heard

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I wouldn't call standard joker weak at all. He's like Sheik if she didn't struggle to kill.

 

[Exius]

Does anyone have the low down on the controversy that went down this weekend involving accusations by Laura Kate Dale and their being an abelist slur in the Persona music that came with this update? Could not find any discussion about here but maybe I was looking in the wrong place.

 

[HylianSeven]

Every number we have puts SMTIV significantly above Nocturne and it was in a Nintendo system. Demi-Fiend above Flynn would just make no sense.

The bad thing about this is that due to the SMT protagonists fighting directly, I doubt they'd use demons at all outside of maybe a Final Smash (Flynn could have that cool Street Pass attack where he summons his team all at once in a 3d animation). FE is much more tied into the whole battlefield commander aspect and you don't see FE characters summoning other people for specials. Maybe we could get some demon spirits though since Persona got us nothing.

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As far as sales I get what you mean, but I think Demi-Fiend still has more notoriety as a protagonist simply because you see him all the time in the game. You see him punch things, you see him use magic, the whole nine yards. Flynn, while you see him in third person out of battle and using weapons, battles are in first person so you don't see him beyond that. By that logic, you could argue Kazuya (SMT1) or Aleph (SMT2) over Demi-Fiend or Flynn. Demi-Fiend generally has more of an identity than Flynn, despite the fact that his game sold less.

Nanashi is definitely not even as popular as Flynn though, but I could see them making him an alt or Echo fighter of Demi-Fiend though.

Also worth pointing out that Cloud obviously doesn't sell any FF games on Nintendo platforms, but obviously no other FF rep made sense to Sakurai.

 

[Balfour]

Does anyone have the low down on the controversy that went down this weekend involving accusations by Laura Kate Dale and their being an abelist slur in the Persona music that came with this update? Could not find any discussion about here but maybe I was looking in the wrong place.

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Someone emailed them saying a P5 song, Wake up Get up, Get Out There, contained a slur in a small section when the singer is talking in a quieter tone.

The author of the article didn't do any research and editor published with no actual proof that is what was said. When it was just most likely the singer, who is non native English (a Japanese woman with an accent) pronounced another word or a combination in a way that sounded like it.

It could have been retort it, or retard it (which isn't an offensive use and is a term used in music) as opposed to the slur itself. Saying the slur would have been a very odd and out of place thing compared to the words before and after it

Although lyrics have been around for years, not on that particular background vocal. Nintendo eventually affirmed that the slur is not in the lyrics (not Atlus I think)

 

[Deleted member 9746]

BAD congrats again!

 

[HylianSeven]

Does anyone have the low down on the controversy that went down this weekend involving accusations by Laura Kate Dale and their being an abelist slur in the Persona music that came with this update? Could not find any discussion about here but maybe I was looking in the wrong place.

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There was a thread. Basically it came out that she had received an email about it possibly having that word, but she wasn't sure, so wrote the original version of the article in a much less accusatory tone, and even then didn't want to publish it until they got a comment from Nintendo. The editor at Kotaku.co.uk edited it to be the inflammatory piece it was and published anyway, and they had a policy where Laura couldn't defend herself on social media. As you can guess, the abuse she got became real transphobic real fast, in addition to ableist too. Nintendo commented and said they reached out to Atlus and that word was not in fact in it.

I feel really bad for Laura honestly. She didn't want to publish it and they threw her under the bus.

 

[TheNotoriousAFG]

BAD congrats again!

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SCREAMING

Waiting for you to add me on the Switch you definitely own miss BAD

 

[Exius]

There was a thread. Basically it came out that she had received an email about it possibly having that word, but she wasn't sure, so wrote the original version of the article in a much less accusatory tone, and even then didn't want to publish it until they got a comment from Nintendo. The editor at Kotaku.co.uk edited it to be the inflammatory piece it was and published anyway, and they had a policy where Laura couldn't defend herself on social media. As you can guess, the abuse she got became real transphobic real fast, in addition to ableist too. Nintendo commented and said they reached out to Atlus and that word was not in fact in it.

I feel really bad for Laura honestly. She didn't want to publish it and they threw her under the bus.

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Ugh really sounds like a disgusting situation, Im surprised Kotaku wouldnt let her publicly defend herself.

 

[Deleted member 36578]

There was a thread. Basically it came out that she had received an email about it possibly having that word, but she wasn't sure, so wrote the original version of the article in a much less accusatory tone, and even then didn't want to publish it until they got a comment from Nintendo. The editor at Kotaku.co.uk edited it to be the inflammatory piece it was and published anyway, and they had a policy where Laura couldn't defend herself on social media. As you can guess, the abuse she got became real transphobic real fast, in addition to ableist too. Nintendo commented and said they reached out to Atlus and that word was not in fact in it.

I feel really bad for Laura honestly. She didn't want to publish it and they threw her under the bus.

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That is crazy. I was following the original topic but never saw that info. Do you have a link to the proof of that? The editor who forced it sucks.

 

[ASaiyan]

There was a thread. Basically it came out that she had received an email about it possibly having that word, but she wasn't sure, so wrote the original version of the article in a much less accusatory tone, and even then didn't want to publish it until they got a comment from Nintendo. The editor at Kotaku.co.uk edited it to be the inflammatory piece it was and published anyway, and they had a policy where Laura couldn't defend herself on social media. As you can guess, the abuse she got became real transphobic real fast, in addition to ableist too. Nintendo commented and said they reached out to Atlus and that word was not in fact in it.

I feel really bad for Laura honestly. She didn't want to publish it and they threw her under the bus.

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Wtf. That is wrong on so many levels from Kotaku. And Jason Schreier's work was just starting to rehabilitate their image in my eyes...

I feel really bad for Laura. That's the kind of multi-layered incident you just up and fucking quit after. But I guess it's not like there are hundreds of alternative jobs in games journalism...

 

[HylianSeven]

Wtf. That is wrong on so many levels from Kotaku. And Jason Schreier's work was just starting to rehabilitate their image in my eyes...

I feel really bad for Laura. That's the kind of multi-layered incident you just up and fucking quit after. But I guess it's not like there are hundreds of alternative jobs in games journalism...

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That is crazy. I was following the original topic but never saw that info. Do you have a link to the proof of that? The editor who forced it sucks.

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/ko...ur-update-doesnt-seem-to.112306/post-19981068

I'll try to find a screen cap of the tweet, but unfortunately she deleted it. I know there were screenshots of her talking about it in a Facebook chat or something too.

 

[Kivvi]

As far as sales I get what you mean, but I think Demi-Fiend still has more notoriety as a protagonist simply because you see him all the time in the game. You see him punch things, you see him use magic, the whole nine yards. Flynn, while you see him in third person out of battle and using weapons, battles are in first person so you don't see him beyond that. By that logic, you could argue Kazuya (SMT1) or Aleph (SMT2) over Demi-Fiend or Flynn. Demi-Fiend generally has more of an identity than Flynn, despite the fact that his game sold less.

Nanashi is definitely not even as popular as Flynn though, but I could see them making him an alt or Echo fighter of Demi-Fiend though.

Also worth pointing out that Cloud obviously doesn't sell any FF games on Nintendo platforms, but obviously no other FF rep made sense to Sakurai.

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You don't think the new SMT V protagonist would make more sense as a fighter? (With all other previous protagonists as alts)

 

[Efejota]

I honestly kind of doubt the "brave" thing being what we think it is. Given how "Jane" has yet to be anything, if it's anything, I'm not sure I believe everything that's there is the data. Was there anything else to suggest that "brave" was Erdrick?
The only other thing I think "Jane" could be at this point, if it wasn't something that was cut or an entirely different character, is a female Joker echo fighter, or that new female character in P5R. Joker came with the standard 8 color/costume variants. It would be weird to make him the only character with more than 8.

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I would laugh if it turns out to be something else so obvious that it flew over our heads.

 

[Capra]

You don't think the new SMT V protagonist would make more sense as a fighter? (With all other previous protagonists as alts)

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Yeah, I feel like if anything they'd pull a Roy and make the SMTV protag a fighter to advertise the new game. Demi-fiend's a badass, but pretty much any SMT rep is gonna be a niche character.

Alternatively, just give us Jack Frost with his various incarnations as alts because I need my Raiho bro

 

[Jintor]

There was a thread. Basically it came out that she had received an email about it possibly having that word, but she wasn't sure, so wrote the original version of the article in a much less accusatory tone, and even then didn't want to publish it until they got a comment from Nintendo. The editor at Kotaku.co.uk edited it to be the inflammatory piece it was and published anyway, and they had a policy where Laura couldn't defend herself on social media. As you can guess, the abuse she got became real transphobic real fast, in addition to ableist too. Nintendo commented and said they reached out to Atlus and that word was not in fact in it.

I feel really bad for Laura honestly. She didn't want to publish it and they threw her under the bus.

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wow. christ i didn't realise kotaku uk fucked her over like that. that's a bad look.

i mean, honestly, I've been listening to that song since release and I genuinely thought she said 'retarded' in it. I mean I wasn't publishing anywhere so I never bothered reaching out to Atlus or whatever but I would have heard it there too. And I speak Japanese.

 

[Dany1899]

I have a question about the video video. Is there a limitation of one text for video? Or is it possible to have more texts in different parts of the video?

 

[HylianSeven]

I would laugh if it turns out to be something else so obvious that it flew over our heads.

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"If you had a chance to Smash a bro...would ya?"