Persona Community Thread |OT| Welcome To The Velvet Room

Android Sophia · Nov 16, 2018

Your skill choices and party setup are FAR more important than any single level. Especially in Persona 3 where there are bosses that can become completely lopsided against you with the wrong party member, skill, weakness, etc.

Case in point: Look at how easily you can cheese the very first Tartarus boss by simply using a bow on your protagonist. While it never gets that easy again, it's just proof of how the game is designed.

PK Gaming · Nov 16, 2018

Chocobo Blade said:
OMG

that headpat

Jaya's comics are always good, and yeah, everyone thinking Ann is hot is definitely canon

Funyarinpa said:
Anyone else just burned the fuck out on Persona?

P5 was amazing but it just doesn't feel special like P3/P4 did :/

The burnout is absolutely real. I struggle to even talk about the series, let alone play it. When you see the same arguments, the same "realizations" (like P5 being problematic) the same take, the same spinoff cycle, it just gets a bit too much honestly. I'm still a Persona fan, but the fire that kept me posting in the 8 or so community threads on the old forum is gone.

Gold Arsene · Nov 16, 2018

Meh I'm still pretty excited for the spin-offs.(though I'd rather we get P5Arena.)

FluxWaveZ · Nov 16, 2018

PK Gaming said:
The burnout is absolutely real. I struggle to even talk about the series, let alone play it. When you see the same arguments, the same "realizations" (like P5 being problematic) the same take, the same spinoff cycle, it just gets a bit too much honestly. I'm still a Persona fan, but the fire that kept me posting in the 8 or so community threads on the old forum is gone.

To me, that's less about the games themselves and more about certain parts of the fandom. Things changed ever since November 24, 2013. There are just certain things I don't focus on when it comes to discussion anymore.

But playing the recent rhythm games and looking at PQ2, I'm reminded of exactly why I like this series, and I'm not tired of it.

Mediking · Nov 17, 2018

Funyarinpa said:
Anyone else just burned the fuck out on Persona?

P5 was amazing but it just doesn't feel special like P3/P4 did :/

Ehhh... not burned out... I can appreciate it each modern Persona for what they offer.

Persona 3 FES is my GOAT. Taught me games can be much more.

Persona 4 has amazing music and a great cast. Your Affection and its remix are still kings.

Persona 5 has top notch gameplay. Joker is still awesome. Whenever I see an image of the guy, I have fond memories. Early Persona 5 aka when things are mysterious and dark is best Persona 5.

So I'm not burned out... BUT... Persona 6 needs to be more mindful of what fans have said about Persona 5.

Deleted member 2474 · Nov 17, 2018

I still love P5 a lot but the anime was mediocre, the dancing games are utter garbage, I could never even be bothered to finish PQ1 much less muster interest in PQ2, most discussion about P5 on this site is unbearable, and the wait until P6 seems likely to be ages (and even then, who knows if I'll like it as much under a different development team).

So yeah. It's really hard to show a lot of enthusiasm for the series at the moment, especially since Atlus tries their hardest to run it into the ground between mainline entries

theme park joe · Nov 17, 2018

detuned radios said:
I still love P5 a lot but the anime was mediocre, the dancing games are utter garbage, I could never even be bothered to finish PQ1 much less muster interest in PQ2, most discussion about P5 on this site is unbearable, and the wait until P6 seems likely to be ages (and even then, who knows if I'll like it as much under a different development team).

So yeah. It's really hard to show a lot of enthusiasm for the series at the moment, especially since Atlus tries their hardest to run it into the ground between mainline entries

This is pretty much where I am at right now too.

wiill64 · Nov 17, 2018

I only got into the series with P5 last year so I'm still in the honeymoon period where mostly everything is still fresh and exciting for me.
That said it's mostly discovering old P3 media that's keeping my interest right now. I'm listening to the audio dramas, reading the manga, and very excited to play the English version of P3D. On the P5 side of things I'm kinda feeling a bit done with that cast right now. The anime was pretty flat and while I'm excited to play P5D, I'm way more interested in P3D.
I don't know, while P5 was amazing it kinda feels like it was lacking a little bit of magic somewhere. We could've probably done with a bit more space between the anime, dancing games and PQ2.

detuned radios said:
most discussion about P5 on this site is unbearable

Completely agree with this. Almost every week there's a thread here complaining about some aspect of P5 and it sucks a lot of the enthusiasm out.

ShadowSoldier89 · Nov 17, 2018

I'm currently in Japan and have spent about $150 on persona merch, so yea, I'm still good with everything

Need me the dancing games

Android Sophia · Nov 17, 2018

detuned radios said:
I still love P5 a lot but the anime was mediocre, the dancing games are utter garbage, I could never even be bothered to finish PQ1 much less muster interest in PQ2, most discussion about P5 on this site is unbearable, and the wait until P6 seems likely to be ages (and even then, who knows if I'll like it as much under a different development team).

So yeah. It's really hard to show a lot of enthusiasm for the series at the moment, especially since Atlus tries their hardest to run it into the ground between mainline entries

Pretty much how I feel too, with the exception that I've got some interest in PQ2. Even then a lot of interest in PQ2 has been dampened by the fact that it's on the 3DS and I find the 3DS a chore to play.

Kromeo · Nov 17, 2018

Crazy Izanagi said:
Meh I'm still pretty excited for the spin-offs.(though I'd rather we get P5Arena.)

What is that avatar and why do like 10 people have it? Lol

Gold Arsene · Nov 17, 2018

Kromeo said:
What is that avatar and why do like 10 people have it? Lol

Lost a Smash related avatar bet. Though I got a new one I like ready as soon as it's over.

Kromeo · Nov 17, 2018

I don't go into P5 threads any more, it's just the same avatars bashing the game every time. For my part I still like the series as much as ever, and actually enjoyed it more than 4

madmisterf · Nov 17, 2018

No burnout here, but I never touched the spin-offs or anime. I can't wait for the Persona 6 announcement, can we expect the gap between 5 and 6 to be much shorter than the one between 4 and 5?

FluxWaveZ · Nov 17, 2018

To me, every single Persona spin-off has been great, which is why I can continue looking forward to them. They're not of the same RPG genre as mainline Persona, so it's neat to explore the other genres within the Persona context, and the character interactions are still great.

The P5 anime was mediocre overall, but whatever.

madmisterf said:
No burnout here, but I never touched the spin-offs or anime. I can't wait for the Persona 6 announcement, can we expect the gap between 5 and 6 to be much shorter than the one between 4 and 5?

My guess is a Persona 6 announcement in 2020 and release in 2021. So 5 years since the release of Persona 5, as opposed to 8 years between the release of P4 and P5.

Gold Arsene · Nov 17, 2018

So watching Azumanga on VRV reminded me of this video I found when first getting into Persona.

It's weird to be nostalgic over old parody videos but sometimes it's easy to forget that it has been a while since I first discovered this series with Persona 3 FES.

theme park joe · Nov 17, 2018

FluxWaveZ said:
My guess is a Persona 6 announcement in 2020 and release in 2021. So 5 years since the release of Persona 5, as opposed to 8 years between the release of P4 and P5.

Wouldn't surprise me, hell I think we could get a 2020 release and go for a real P4 like release. Unlike with P5 the P Studio team isn't working on a new game (Cathrine), ports (P3P and P4G), building a new game engine, porting to PS4, or dealing with the shaky financial situation of the parent company. They have an engine, a platform, and design experience.

madmisterf · Nov 17, 2018

theme park joe said:
Wouldn't surprise me, hell I think we could get a 2020 release and go for a real P4 like release. Unlike with P5 the P Studio team isn't working on a new game (Cathrine), ports (P3P and P4G), building a new game engine, porting to PS4, or dealing with the shaky financial situation of the parent company. They have an engine, a platform, and design experience.

Are we sure they're not building a new engine though? P5 is a PS3 game ported to PS4, and PS5 will probably be out by the time P6 is released.

Gold Arsene · Nov 17, 2018

I think Persona 6 is a little ways out.

Of course I still think we're getting an enhanced version of 5 at some point.

Or maybe they use the P5 engine for something else to bridge the gap coughP3Remakecough.

FluxWaveZ · Nov 17, 2018

theme park joe said:
Wouldn't surprise me, hell I think we could get a 2020 release and go for a real P4 like release. Unlike with P5 the P Studio team isn't working on a new game (Cathrine), ports (P3P and P4G), building a new game engine, porting to PS4, or dealing with the shaky financial situation of the parent company. They have an engine, a platform, and design experience.

Yes, but unlike that time as well, core members responsible for P3/P4/P5 have left the studio, notably the director. Atlus has been actively recruiting for all of their 3 departments for about 2 years now, and there'll probably be a lot of thinking required to determine the creative direction of the mainline franchise moving forward. They've said they need to surpass P5 with P6 like their goal was from P4 to P5, and with a new director and new leads heading things, it'll take some time.

I also wouldn't say they aren't working on ports. They've put out a number of surveys showing that they're at least considering making modern remakes of P1 through P4. They're also surely working on what we currently know as P5AG, P5U, and P5R. Those alone should pretty much cover next year.

Lynx_7 · Nov 17, 2018

I still like the franchise as much as I ever have, I'm just done discussing it in this forum for the most part. I guess you could say I'm burnt out on Era. It's the same few talking points being beaten to the ground, it's exhaustive and not particularly elucidating or fun to engage with. There's a line between criticism and animosity that I feel has been crossed for a long time. I'll be back whenever 6 is announced, and a part of me kind of hopes it's not as successful as 5 just so it doesn't generate as much toxicity. Though I'm a little worried about the new creative team in charge doubling down on the series' more tropey vices and it actually becomes the stereotype it's mistaken for. Other products from Atlus don't exactly inspire confidence on that front.

The spin-offs are whatever, I've never been invested in them even during the wait for P5. PQ2 looks fun though so maybe I'll give it a shot.

Mediking · Nov 17, 2018

For the record... I really was joking with the Mitsuru in Pokemon LG thread I made. :/

Dragon1893 · Nov 17, 2018

P5D's intro is really cool.

I'm really looking forward to PQ2, it's gonna be a blast.

Gold Arsene · Nov 17, 2018

You know I've been thinking about it for a while but I think I'm going to be lazy and call FeMC Mako Yuki in Q2.

PK Gaming · Nov 17, 2018

FluxWaveZ said:
To me, that's less about the games themselves and more about certain parts of the fandom. Things changed ever since November 24, 2013. There are just certain things I don't focus on when it comes to discussion anymore.

But playing the recent rhythm games and looking at PQ2, I'm reminded of exactly why I like this series, and I'm not tired of it.

The fandom is garbage, there's no question about that. Talking about the series just isn't satisfying pretty much no matter where you go (though this thread's a bit of an exception)

I'm still very much looking forward to playing the spinoffs (PQ2 especially looks amazing), but I can't say Persona is my #1 passion series anymore.

I'm fucking there when P5 Arena launches, however.

wiill64 · Nov 18, 2018

After listening to the Full Moon P3 audio drama and hearing the scene with a young Yukari and Mitsuru in it I had to draw them together. I based Yukari's hairstyle off of a panel in volume 4 of the P3 manga:

oni-link · Nov 18, 2018

So I got to the part where

Shinjiro dies

I only have 2 shadows left, but we're in October and I think the game ends in March?

I take it the last two shadows are not really the end?

Gold Arsene · Nov 18, 2018

oni-link said:
So I got to the part where

Shinjiro dies

I only have 2 shadows left, but we're in October and I think the game ends in March?

I take it the last two shadows are not really the end?

Yep there's more.

A Dead Diehard · Nov 18, 2018

wiill64 said:
After listening to the Full Moon P3 audio drama and hearing the scene with a young Yukari and Mitsuru in it I had to draw them together. I based Yukari's hairstyle off of a panel in volume 4 of the P3 manga:

That's just adorable!

wiill64 · Nov 18, 2018

A Dead Diehard said:
That's just adorable!

Thank you!

PK Gaming · Nov 18, 2018

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GNOSIS · Nov 18, 2018

The OT is pretty dead so I'm here instead.

I got Persona 5 when it first released around last April? I loved it but I couldn't get myself to finish it. Yesterday I started playing it again. (The last palace, it's so fricking long.) Already clocked 100 hours.

Good news is I think I'm gonna finish it in the next few days. To my surprise, it seems like I may be able to complete all the co-op in my first playthrough. Feel pretty good about that.

The battle system is definitely one of the best turn-based systems in any games ever. I never get bored of it, navigating very long dungeons on the other hand...

They really need to make the next one shorter. (like 70% of this one.) Or find a way to make you go through each day faster. I guess not losing time going in a dungeon would help makes it less tedious. So we could get out of it when we get bored and do something else instead. Put some restrictions on it so it won't be too easy.

Anyway, I think all that left for me is the deepest part of Memento? I wonder if there are any more surprises for me.

Gold Arsene · Nov 18, 2018

Canon Haru meets Adult Confidant AU Haru.

madmisterf · Nov 19, 2018

GNOSIS said:
The battle system is definitely one of the best turn-based systems in any games ever. I never get bored of it, navigating very long dungeons on the other hand...

They really need to make the next one shorter. (like 70% of this one.) Or find a way to make you go through each day faster. I guess not losing time going in a dungeon would help makes it less tedious. So we could get out of it when we get bored and do something else instead. Put some restrictions on it so it won't be too easy.

Anyway, I think all that left for me is the deepest part of Memento? I wonder if there are any more surprises for me.

I may get flak for this but I started missing P4 dungeons by the time I was halfway through the game. I adored the battle system, but the design of each dungeon, while a huge upgrade over the previous two games, wasn't that interesting and I couldn't stand the tedious puzzles.

Chocobo Blade · Nov 19, 2018

I think the problem with the dungeons is that they were designed with the intention of having the player complete them over multiple visits, but the rest of the game heavily incentivises doing them in one go so that you don't waste precious time. Seems like two opposing design philosphies not working together well. I'm sure the dungeons would feel much better if the game didn't punish you for spreading the exploration over a few days or had more points that 'force' you out for a break like in Palace 2.

oni-link · Nov 19, 2018

In P3 FES how important is it to S Rank as many of the social links as possible?

I've only got one so far (though 2 of them are on level 9) and I'm a few days into October

wiill64 · Nov 19, 2018

oni-link said:
In P3 FES how important is it to S Rank as many of the social links as possible?

I've only got one so far (though 2 of them are on level 9) and I'm a few days into October

It's not that important. You can beat the game without maxing any of the social links.

Reanimatoin · Nov 19, 2018

wiill64 said:
It's not that important. You can beat the game without maxing any of the social links.

It's so not important that you can beat the game without getting any of them past rank 1 if you really wanted to

oni-link · Nov 19, 2018

wiill64 said:
It's not that important. You can beat the game without maxing any of the social links.

Reanimatoin said:
It's so not important that you can beat the game without getting any of them past rank 1 if you really wanted to

Thanks

That's good to know, though I am enjoying them so I'll try and get as many as I can

Reanimatoin · Nov 19, 2018

oni-link said:
Thanks

That's good to know, though I am enjoying them so I'll try and get as many as I can

Oh yeah, absolutely do them, theyre good character stories. Just that theyre not necessary for progression is all.

GNOSIS · Nov 20, 2018

Chocobo Blade said:
I think the problem with the dungeons is that they were designed with the intention of having the player complete them over multiple visits, but the rest of the game heavily incentivises doing them in one go so that you don't waste precious time. Seems like two opposing design philosphies not working together well. I'm sure the dungeons would feel much better if the game didn't punish you for spreading the exploration over a few days or had more points that 'force' you out for a break like in Palace 2.

This is absolutely true. That's why I would love for them to make it possible to get in and out of dungeons without losing time.

Anyway, I'm thinking of facing the reaper. Any level recommendation? I'm at level 65 and have nothing to do before the deadline of the last mission.

NeoChaos · Nov 20, 2018

GNOSIS said:
Anyway, I'm thinking of facing the reaper. Any level recommendation? I'm at level 65 and have nothing to do before the deadline of the last mission.

Unless you want a fair fight with him, go on a flu season day (December 8 and 9) and see if he starts a fight with despair. If he doesn't, run away (hopefully you have Hifumi's confidant maxed so you're guranteed to run) and then try and fight him again. Once he shows up with despair, just wait out the win.

Lynx_7 · Nov 20, 2018

I beat the reaper fair and square with my endgame party, which was either around your level or something like early 70s, I believe? He isn't that tough in P5.

Dragon1893 · Nov 20, 2018

GNOSIS said:
This is absolutely true. That's why I would love for them to make it possible to get in and out of dungeons without losing time.

I enjoyed P5's dungeons a lot but not making them consume time would definitely solve the biggest issue people have which is burnout from trying to beat them in a single day. Sometimes the story forces you to take a break which could be a solution but that also leads to frustration because then the dungeon will take away more time from other stuff and there's nothing you can do about it. There's also the issue of people missing the deadline because they didn't expect to get kicked out (though with the amount of warnings the game gives you it's your fault if you leave it for the very last day).
On the other hand, I guess getting through the dungeon in the alloted time is part of the challenge, though they could still maintain some sense of urgency by only allowing you to go in once each day. This way you wouldn't be able to go in and out at will to restock on items without getting penalized.

madmisterf · Nov 21, 2018

Dragon1893 said:
I enjoyed P5's dungeons a lot but not making them consume time would definitely solve the biggest issue people have which is burnout from trying to beat them in a single day. Sometimes the story forces you to take a break which could be a solution but that also leads to frustration because then the dungeon will take away more time from other stuff and there's nothing you can do about it. There's also the issue of people missing the deadline because they didn't expect to get kicked out (though with the amount of warnings the game gives you it's your fault if you leave it for the very last day).
On the other hand, I guess getting through the dungeon in the alloted time is part of the challenge, though they could still maintain some sense of urgency by only allowing you to go in once each day. This way you wouldn't be able to go in and out at will to restock on items without getting penalized.

I actually liked completing them in one go, it added a layer of strategy and tension to the battles as you had to carefully manage HP and SP. I would have preferred them to be more straightforward though instead of forcing puzzles that were more padding than actual challenges.

Deleted member 2430 · Nov 21, 2018

MexM · Nov 21, 2018

So according to this, the DLC will be Justine/Caroline navigator and Kaguya (lol).

Also omg at the gnomes with the guns FOE, now I'm really excited for the fourth dungeon lol Can't wait to read the developer interview.

Crimson said:

So cool!

wiill64 · Nov 22, 2018

File sizes for P3D/P5D:

Edit:
https://personacharactersorter.tumblr.com/
^This is a fun thing that sorts the Persona characters in order of your favourites. It takes a while depending on how many games you have checked.

My results:

Gold Arsene · Nov 22, 2018

MexM said:
So according to this, the DLC will be Justine/Caroline navigator and Kaguya (lol).

Also omg at the gnomes with the guns FOE, now I'm really excited for the fourth dungeon lol Can't wait to read the developer interview.

So cool!

WTF at the A.I.G.I.S FOE. Kinda sticks out next to all the cute Wall-E style robots.

Kromeo · Nov 22, 2018

Mostly about right

Ken a bit high and Adachi too low

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