User Banned (1 week): dismissive drive-by
Bit of "look at that bitch eating crackers" going on here.
No no no. This is no good. We need a disabled candidate relating themselves to black people. That's more appropriate ... Wtf kinda logic is this? Don't relate sexual orientation to race please.
Why?
Pretty much
I feel the same tbhI think this is fine. He's not saying it's the same but that it helps him understand the perspective of another discriminated group.
What are you doing hereNot a good thing to say even if it's meant with good intentions. Everybody thinks their plight is worse than others after all.
I've never understood why gay white people get attacked and singled out by the black community/people in general, but the LGBTQ community doesn't do the same for the straight black community?? (I mean I'm glad we don't, it's gross and messy).
He's saying this as a gay man not a white man, you don't get to throw all of us gay white men in the same field as general 'white' people and then not call out homophobia within the black community (which pretty much hardly ever gets mentioned).
The hypocrisy winds me up and rears its head around here too much ....
Same thing as everyone else, reading just the article headline and not what Buttigieg actually said.
No ,the person I quotedid basically saying black people have no right to criticize a white gay man because we're all essentially homophobicSame thing as everyone else, reading just the article headline and not what Buttigieg actually said.
Not that I think Pete deserves to be heard out or whatever. His record sucks. But no one in this thread actually seems interested in what he said, which absolutely was not "I'm gay so I get black people."
Basically.I think the statement taken in a vacuum by itself isn't a problem. It's when you put it alongside his past history wrt poc issues that you run into issues.
ok boomer
You really want to go down this path in this thread, huh? Because there are plenty of stories of racism from the white gay community we could get into if you want.I've never understood why gay white people get attacked and singled out by the black community/people in general, but the LGBTQ community doesn't do the same for the straight black community?? (I mean I'm glad we don't, it's gross and messy).
He's saying this as a gay man not a white man, you don't get to throw all of us gay white men in the same field as general 'white' people and then not call out homophobia within the black community (which pretty much hardly ever gets mentioned).
The hypocrisy winds me up and rears its head around here too much ....
You really want to go down this path in this thread, huh? Because there are plenty of stories of racism from the white gay community we could get into if you want.
I think this is fine. He's not saying it's the same but that it helps him understand the perspective of another discriminated group.
Not a good thing to say even if it's meant with good intentions. Everybody thinks their plight is worse than others after all.
I've never understood why gay white people get attacked and singled out by the black community/people in general, but the LGBTQ community doesn't do the same for the straight black community?? (I mean I'm glad we don't, it's gross and messy).
He's saying this as a gay man not a white man, you don't get to throw all of us gay white men in the same field as general 'white' people and then not call out homophobia within the black community (which pretty much hardly ever gets mentioned).
The hypocrisy winds me up and rears its head around here too much ....
Guy is empathising. Nought wrong with that. I think it's fine to do that at the same time as understanding that you'll never know what it's like in reality until you live it, which works both ways.
So where's the problem? This statement is just fine."While I do not have the experience of ever having been discriminated against because of the color of my skin, I do have the experience of sometimes feeling like a stranger in my own country, turning on the news and seeing my own rights come up for debate, and seeing my rights expanded by a coalition of people like me and people not at all like me," Buttigieg said.
so no one cares about him faking endorsements from black people and using a picture from Kenya???
A lot of groups face discrimination. Women for instance. Pete trying to say his male, white, ass can empathize with the plight of the type of racial discrimination black people face on the daily just because he's gay is about as misguided as a white woman trying to make the same argument by bringing up the discrimination and inequalities they face. It's not a competition, but really you're playing up the wrong thing if you're trying to convince anyone of your sincerity.
It doesn't work like that. He can't relate to me, a black man, about discrimination because we aren't discriminated the same way anymore than I can relate to Asian women discrimination. A blind person and a deaf person are both handicapped, but their hindrances to daily life aren't the same.
"When you see me, you would know that I'm African American from day one," said Davis, who has endorsed former vice president Joe Biden. "When someone is gay or a lesbian, unless they tell or they are seen in certain situations, then no one is going to know that. They are able to build their résumés and build their career."
The relating of LGBT issues to the plight of African Americans has to stop. I don't think white people understand that the moment you do that you turn black people, for the most part, all the way off. No matter hour smartly you try to frame the relationship it just doesn't fly. You think you are gaining an ally but you are really driving a wedge between us.
The message isn't going to relate the way you think it will and it never has so please just stop.
I find it odd that so many are talking about nuance while ignoring the context of the person who is being discussed.
The reason some people are upset with what was being said, even though the exact quote would be fine coming from someone without the baggage, is because his actions directly go against it.
If there were a black man who said that being black helped him understand the plight of gay people and then you realized that the black man who said it is Kevin Hart you would be annoyed just the same.
As a black person I see literally nothing wrong with what he said.
Of course someone from a discriminated group would have some level of understanding of another discriminated group.
Genuinely there is 0 wrong with what he said.
It's victim blaming at best
I feel the same wayUnless you're black, no matter how much you empathize, no matter how much you can 'relate', no matter how sympathetic you are, you just won't understand the experience. I'm all for listening to people's views and having a discussion but... I guess I'll say this:
One thing that always rubs me the wrong way is how people separate being black and being LGBT+. It might not be intentional, but I've seen it happen in a lot of cases, from white and black people, where its as if that very specific experience is completely unheard of. It's either the 'LGBT+' experience or the 'black' experience. But maybe that's a good thing as the black LGBT+ experience is very, very, and I mean VERY different than the white LGBT+ experience, no matter the parallels or similarities.
With that being said, that is where I take issue with the statement. Good intentions I'm sure, but that's not really the point. I'm always one to say that it shouldn't really be too much of a contest between minorities about who is more 'oppressed', but quite frankly, at some point, the facts are the facts. That doesn't mean one can't fight for multiple causes though and break that entire system.
But being a white gay still offers you a vast amount of privilege that living as a black gay does not. Not only do we have to take shit for simply existing as black people in the country, but also take shit from not only 'a lot' of our community, and the very same community that oppresses us.
Just my two cents.