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PewDiePie attempts to distance himself from Christchurch Mosque shooter who pledged support (READ THREADMARKS)
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All these people on Twitter and everywhere comparing the critisim aimed at Pewdiepie to the witchhunts against videogames or rock music of the past are so missing the point...
Whether through ignorance or malice, all antisemitism inspires more antisemitism. Same goes for racism and all other forms of bigotry.
I clearly say that I agree, and that it's neccessary to be careful.
I just wish we lived in a world where shit like this didn't happen.
Same reason we need locks on our doors - it'd be really cool if we didn't - wouldn't it? But we do.
This guy says so much and convenes absolutely nothing. It's almost impressive.
PewDiePie really is an example of someone who clearly dosen't understand that you have some sort of responsibility when you have such a big "community". I don't know if he really believe in the things which he said or did previously, but I'm really scared of the influence a single person can have, especially when it is so stupid.
Yeah, his usual "let's love one another and always remember never to question the toxicity or a certain ideology because we all have our faults" bullshit. Fuck him too.
It just does.
It may be terrible and ultimately unneeded content - in which case compromising is a must.
PDP needs to make a long, serious video absolutely condemning this. He needs a clear no tolerance stance against this.
He also needs to seriously fucking change. This needs to be the wakeup call. It shouldn't have come to this, it's absolutely disgusting.
He needs to do everything in his power to stop this kind of shit from happening. He has an influence on 10s of millions of people, he needs to use it for good.
He also needs to seriously fucking change. This needs to be the wakeup call. It shouldn't have come to this, it's absolutely disgusting.
He needs to do everything in his power to stop this kind of shit from happening. He has an influence on 10s of millions of people, he needs to use it for good.
It's a field naturally suitable for douchebags to begin with, but it's alarming how consistently worse they are than simply that.
Obviously not in the aftermath. I never said that.
If the problem is that content influenced the attacker, the compromise must be made beforehand, to make a difference.
Note that I fully support such compromises must be made because of this - I just wish we lived in a world where bad things didn't happen, not that I think we actually live in such a world.
You're just doing a "but what about free speech" argument in disguise
Of course, as is the case here, but sometimes it might not be.
This is the line of thought I agree with. But I should apologize for making this about PDP, because in the end it shouldn't be. What matters is that someone showed up and killed innocent unarmed people out of hatred, full stop.
Ah, I took it as their YouTube content, which already wasn't posted here.
Yeah, I could do without seeing Boogie's trash tweets like the one above.
He has been drawn in by the Jordan Peterson type of anti-wave crowd, you're right, and that must've affected his viewpoints a lot but it's still a big leap from that to saying "he's literally a nazi who spreads antisemitism, because he has a hidden nazist agenda", which is what I feel people keep saying on social media.
He won't change because he doesn't believe he's doing anything wrong. He'll aproach this as an unfortunate coincidence, condemn hatred in a general wishy washy manner and move the fuck on with his life. He's not inciting islamophobia or mass murder directly, so why does he have to answer for any of this? He's just another unfortunate victim.
He has shown time and time again he doesn't possess the capability for self-reflection. He has never once stopped to investigate why neo nazis love him. He hasn't changed a bit after promoting antisemitism for the lulz, after saying a racial slur on stream or after giving a platform to a fascist's YouTube channel. That's who he is. I don't think he shares these people's worldview, but at this point it doesn't matter because that audience sees an ally in him and that's in itself a problem.
Yeah it would be nice but this our reality and we're here because of where we've come from. If life and society in general weren't plagued by what it is at the moment it would be something else and we would likewise have to deal with it and different "compromises".
Do you actually know PDP? So he says or acts like he doesn't really want Jews dead when he puts up a Death to all Jews sign. Ok. Why believe him exactly?
Here's the thing about allies: they don't find shit that lampoons the suffering of the disenfranchised hilarious. Whether or not PDP would attend a Nazi rally is irrelevant to the fact that he made the joke and didn't consider it's greater implications. I don't get off on making fun of women or making jabs at Muslim people. I don't find it funny to reference Jews dying or use racial slurs. I don't find the rhetoric of people like Ben Sharpio and Paul Joseph Watson worthwhile because they are scumbags with the pointed agenda of stirring up bigots and spreading bigoted ideals. I am this way because I understand that there are things at stake for certain groups of people beyond just myself. I am this way because I understand there's no such thing as being apolitical. People who are actual allies to black people, Muslims, women, LGBTQ+ people and differently abled people aren't and shouldn't be interested in using their harm, suffering, oppression and belittlement as a mine for comedy and exploitation.
If PDP actually cared he would have actually learned lessons from I dunno, being dropped by Disney for pulling anti-Semitic shit in front of hundreds of thousands of fans of all ages. If PDP actually cared he wouldn't want to make these jokes or spread these memes. If PDP actually cared he'd want to do better without having to be told to do better time and again by the people who have to actually pay for the bullshit he reinforces in the minds of the men and women who a bigots, violent or not. He would see a problem with people who are interested in how to stop "The Zionist world order" or the "Islamic Scourge" flocking to him and counting him as one of them. He would wonder why he attracts so many people like that and actually work to change it. He doesn't though. The threshold for being a contributor to the perpetuation of violent bigotry isn't actually stepping out and loading guns along side people in white hoods. The threshold starts at what you say, how you act, what you believe and what you put out into the world. You're right. We don't know who he is, just what he puts out in the world. And what he puts out in the world paints a picture of a man who is singly self-absorbed and unempathetic to the plight of real people. A man satisfied in remaining ignorant and rubbing elbows with true unequivocal scum. A man who is patently uninterested in learning or growing or being sincere about anything. A man who knows he doesn't need to be because his status and money afford him protection from the actual reality of living in a world alongside the people he courts.
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Really touching how all the right wing guys come together in these trying times to support each other.
And you have my condolences! It's not a good thing to do, but all I'm saying is that to some people this seems like something that isn't real anymore, and I think that's how it becomes the modernized form of "meme". But I shouldn't apologize to this extent on something I don't even approve of myself. I'm only objecting to the logic of "PDP is himself a nazi" but I suppose in some ways that is semantics.
Yeah, Skill is a giant chud. Sucks because his reviews are great but screw him. Unsubscribing.
No, I'm not, and you don't get to pretend like I am.
I clearly stated several times, including in my original comment, that I believe "influencers" have a responsibility to think about the consequences of their speech.
I just wish bad people who acted on these things didn't exist. I'm not sure how that's controversial.
That's probably his edited list. His original list likely also includes:
-Racists
-Bigots
-White supremacists
-Islamaphobes
-Homophobes
-Transphobes
You think he cares about this dude? He don't give a fuck about this shit he just wants to have his cake and eat it too.
I don't think that his right leaning agenda is hidden at all, and the fact that the majority of political people he interacts with are on the far right I don't think it's a stretch to think that this has effected his work. I mean he just had Ben Shapiro appear in a video
You don't go from being a normal person directly to someone with a swastika tattoo, there are many degrees between those two points. I just think that Pewdiepie, through a long history of his actions, has shown where on that scale he is, and its *far away* from a normal, apolitical guy
The right-leaning agenda is something I saw and caused me to stop watching. I just don't conflate that with literally being a nazi.
I think that point isn't really one that needs to be brought up because of course no decent person wants others to commit these sort of acts because of being influenced by others.
You may not intend it but bringing that point up ends up reading like your defending the right to say shitty things without taking the responsibility of influencing others. The alt right and other right wing shits do this all the time to deflect from their intentional attempts to influence others which is probably why you are getting people question you on your commew.
Thing is "far right people who aren't literal nazis" are causing a shit ton more problems around the world right now than dyed in the wool nazis.
They're the same damn thing , they believe same damn shit dude
He might not be a card carrying nazi, but I have absolutely no issue with saying he is a nazi sympathiser
Nazis aren't just assholes in uniform. Nazis are also intellectuals, even comedians, that reiterate their views of the world and shut off other cultures and values. It's the local shop owner that insults and refuse service to minorities. It's the teacher that will distort reality to students just to deny the existence of minorities - because what doesn't exist can't be protected. Free speech is cool and all but we need to police hate speech or we'll not have free speech in a couple years. Just because PDP doesn't join neonazi protests doesn't mean he wouldn't side with the nazis when they take the power - as of now he never even denied he is one.
People who won't even take a stand against Nazis are Nazis themselves and they know it and they don't care. Nazifascism is inside all of us and comes out when we start being sociopathic pieces of shit to each other only interested in ourselves.
No, i don't. My point is that he needs to. People are fucking dying. Something needs to get through to him that it isn't a game
Yes, I understand that's how it came across.
I have explained in several subesquents posts that this is not what I mean, I realize it wasn't clear.
Of course they must take responsibility and what's more important, they must make sure they don't do it in the first place.
My thing with this is more general, I work in IT and have to deal with security issues, and often I think to myself, "if only everyone was a good person, then I would have to deal with SSL, multi factor authentication, security certificates, etc".
Whether he's a "real" nazi or not is irrelevant. He spreads rhetoric that Nazis approve of. He invites on the literal thought leaders of modern day white supremacist ideals. And he's made it clear he, just like them, is unwilling to actually listen to what marginalized people have to say while continuing to needle us with "memes and jokes" and calling it satire and comedy. He is happy to say nothing when Nazis flock to him as on of their own. At a certain point there really is no difference. At a certain point he isn't any different from the people who gladly wear the iron cross.
wonder what would happen if people online subtly (or un-subtly) started posting anti-PDP rhetoric that hinted at the need for violence in order to secure their well-being. i'm sure PDP would see the joke in that, right? right everyone? i mean, he has a sense of humor, surely with enough intensity implied he'd see that it's all about free speech. right?
hoping people see the irony/sarcasm in this, but i'm including the spoiler just in case. that dude is trash, but i don't think anyone should play role reversal and do to him what he's doing to others
I mean, if he isn't a nazi, then at the very least he is a nazi sympathizer.
Like, obviously he's not a member of the Nationalist Socialist party, but don't be fooled into using right wing dogwhistles yourself. Almost no nazis will ever call themselves nazis, because why would they? That word has too much of a negative connotation, after all! They have much more fashionable names these days like alt-right or identitarian. Different label, same ideas.
And PDP is following the figureheads of these people, he is endorsing them through sharing their content and propagating antisemitic and other bigoted views by pretending to just be "meme-skating".
I liked Skillups channel too.
Why does this forum trigger so many people. Jeez.
Must be horrible to get mentioned by such a fuckhead who murdered so many innocent people. As someone with PewDiePies reach it is necessary to distance yourself, especially in times like these were everyone could drop names anytime and send them over the world.
Another point to add is that worrying about people having to 'censor' themselves because of potential people being influenced is the typical thing you see shitty comedians use as a defence for their offensive or bigoted 'jokes'.
Just focusing on the horrible things the person has done or the people who have helped influence them would probably help your point out.
Which is pretty hilarious considering that PDP did dressed as a Nazi lol.
Also needs to stop following all the right wing people he currently follows. And stop having them on his show.