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PewDiePie attempts to distance himself from Christchurch Mosque shooter who pledged support (READ THREADMARKS)

Feb 6, 2019
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User Banned (Permanent): Junior phase account excusing hate speech and antagonizing other members
First question? Why (In regards to the subbing part). Also you're so sure everyone is wrong yet you don;t even know who he is? That's really the story you want to go with?
I already told you. Some of my friends watch him and tell me to subscribe because of his “sub-battle” against the T-Series thing.
so you're subbed to him but don't watch his content, yet are sure there's absolutely no through line here? damn, you're good.
I don’t watch his content, but I know about the controversy he’s been through. He’s done dumb shit, but why are we talking like the terrorist wouldn’t have done it if PewDiePie didn’t exist?
 
Nov 28, 2017
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Ok the evil mastermind part was but I do think that he knows exactly what he’s doing and he’s tricking his dumb fandom and he’s a gateway to the alt right and he needs to be held accountable but he won’t because money
Yeah the first part about him being a 'mastermind' threw me for a loop. I'd call him a jabroni. And the rest i agree with wholeheartedly.

He knows what he's doing. Acting as a groomsman for the far right. He's decieving children and grooming them for far right ideology. The parents in bulk have litte to no idea whats actually happening. Becasue well, it's implausible. He should be banned immediatly and isn't presently - because money and the implausibility element.

There will be more.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I already told you. Some of my friends watch him and tell me to subscribe because of his “sub-battle” against the T-Series thing.

I don’t watch his content, but I know about the controversy he’s been through. He’s done dumb shit, but why are we talking like the terrorist wouldn’t have done it if PewDiePie didn’t exist?
no one is saying that. it's just an easy out for you to pretend that is what's being said.
 
Oct 28, 2017
341
I'm really disappointed that some major gaming sites aren't covering this.

Eurogamer and Kotaku are both notably silent. Waypoint too, although I feel like they will absolutely weigh in on it with time, given their track record (plus they were plenty active on Twitter). Plus they have a much smaller site and don't necessarily report as a straight news site.

Polygon appear to be linking to Vox's reporting, which is fair enough.

I'm afraid this is going to turn into a gamergate style situation, with some sites refusing to make comment for fear of the shower of idiots it would bring onto their sites.

Eurogamer in particular tends to shy away from these sort of thing and as a big former fan, that stings.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,548
The English Wilderness
That he is. And if this doesn't open his eyes people can't keep claiming he is unaware.
Pewdiepie is a narcissist. Narcissists prey on, and surround themselves with, vulnerable, naive, and ignorant people, who then act as their enablers. When the narcissist is then challenged, they can take shelter behind these people - and use their unwavering adulation to absolve themselves of any and all responsibilities.

Pewdiepie has a lot of enablers.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,072
Wait. So what is the general consensus here? That PDP inspired the terrorist?
I don't know if that is the consensus.

I think the consensus should be that, whether you mean to do it in a malicious way or as a "joke", if you poke the hornets nest with your rhetoric over and over you have to face the fact that you may have contributed to the horrible things that happen when someone acts upon the shit you spew from your mouth.

It doesn't matter what PDP meant to say with his decisions, he has to face the fact that someone did something fucking horrible, and mentioned him as a motivation.
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,758
I honestly don’t believe we should all be talking shit about this guy and accusing him of complicity just because a crazy dumbass said his name before this terrible event. I admit, I am a subscriber of his because of this whole thing “PewDiePie vs. T-Series” thing, but I don’t watch his videos and I’m not interested in doing so, however, I don’t think we are accusing the right person here.
It's been detailed by me and many others why the accusation is much more specific than even "just" that.
 
Feb 20, 2019
116
I already told you. Some of my friends watch him and tell me to subscribe because of his “sub-battle” against the T-Series thing.

I don’t watch his content, but I know about the controversy he’s been through. He’s done dumb shit, but why are we talking like the terrorist wouldn’t have done it if PewDiePie didn’t exist?
Ok, so surely you understand why people are condemning PDP like they are...right?
 
Oct 30, 2017
2,370
Canada
I already told you. Some of my friends watch him and tell me to subscribe because of his “sub-battle” against the T-Series thing.
Are you twelve years old?

I don’t watch his content, but I know about the controversy he’s been through. He’s done dumb shit, but why are we talking like the terrorist wouldn’t have done it if PewDiePie didn’t exist?
We're not talking like the terrorist wouldn't have done it if PewDiePie didn't exist.

Anyway, bye.
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,613
I don’t watch his content, but I know about the controversy he’s been through. He’s done dumb shit, but why are we talking like the terrorist wouldn’t have done it if PewDiePie didn’t exist?
No one actually believes that. People have continually said this isn't just about PDP. But PDP does exist and PDP does contribute to the greater landscape of alt-right culture.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,976
Going on Twitter and watching his fanbase swarm anyone who criticizes the man only proves the point of how shitty of a person he and his brand are.
 

Chaz

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,126
Scotland, UK
Judging by this sick fucks manifesto, he was clearly a big fan of internet memes by referencing the fortnite floss dance and the navy seal meme in it, one could argue 'subscribe to pewdiepie' is just more of the same bullshit. No one can really say conclusively.

It's impossible to ascertain whether the shooter is an actual fan of pdp or just a dumbass meme fuck, nonetheless no one should try and deny the normalization pdp's platform has enabled over the years for the human trash like we have witnessed in NZ.
 
Feb 8, 2019
178
This thread as well as having to explain to a friend in my own social circle how I’m not saying PewDiePie is literally the cause of the shooting has left me baffled at how many fans this guy has. Like you’d honestly think that you insulted these people’s messiah by disapproving him at this point.
 
Feb 20, 2019
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They're all in this together. They see an attack on one of them as an attack on the collective, because for many of them, they have tied their livelihood to Youtube. This is their day job, their primary (and possibly only) source of income. If Youtube just up and disappeared tomorrow, i'd wager at least 90% of them would be fucked. The ones that the top could likely shift to a patreon enabled model (if not already) and ride that out for a few years, but they'll never reach the same critical mass they could with the large Youtube audience.

So when it comes time to take a stand, they won't, because they're convinced this is just a bunch of old people who want to ruin their hussle, rather than an actual societal problem.
Because they live in worlds that aren't subject to the consequences of their words. Like they really believe there should be zero consequences or accountability with putting "Death To All Jews" while Jewish people and Muslim people are slaughtered. They have to pretend that their efforts to stay at length from actual struggles and strife isn't inherently damaging and has no wider effect beyond their channels.


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Think both of you have figured it out, very well said
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Going on Twitter and watching his fanbase swarm anyone who criticizes the man only proves the point of how shitty of a person he and his brand are.
Yup. Mentioned him by name, didn't even put his "@" in it and people from all over the world are descending on my feed. It's ridiculous.
 
Dec 5, 2017
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This is such a sad and difficult situation. PDP is not responsible for the actions of others, I think that's fair to say. Is he complicit? Maybe, probably. What can we even try to do to start to push back against this violence? I have no clue.

Second I don't agree with Colin, I just think he's idealistic, and it drives me nuts to see people go after people so hard for people they disagree with politically.

I just don't even know where we go from here, how do we reach a point where we aren't mass censoring everyone we disagree with, but also not allowing hate speech to thrive.
 

Ian

Member
Oct 27, 2017
42
Kent, UK
I'm getting the same thing. Just been told that "racist jokes don't normalise hatred" by one of his many fans.

edit: and now I'm "spreading misinformation". *rolls eyes"
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Anyone positively reinforcing these radical alt-right ideologies, like PDP, bear responsibility.
This. People need to stop with the "leave PDP alone" shit. This is not just about PDP. We are discussing PDP A) because this is a gaming forum, B) the shooter mentioned him by name, & C) his name being mentioned actually matters in this signular instance because of the context of PDPs continual jokes and alloweces to alt-right, violently bigoted sensibilities. It's not that difficult.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Boom. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand.
It's one of two reasons.

Either because they are human trash like this shooter, PDP and the UKIP guy or because philosophically speaking they refuse to accept that people can directly influence each other through words and that ultimately personal responsibility is the only responsibility that should matter.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,752
Florida
I guess my line of thinking is there's been glaring red flags in his content for years now. Whenever called out on it, he would downplay any criticisms as him just making jokes, or use the same dog whistles as the alt right accusing the media of attacking his character. As tragic as it is, this is the expecting outcome of constantly pandering to the "meme culture/trolling" crowd. It also doesn't help that youtubers are so cliquish and will constantly go to bat and defend pewdiepie no matter what.


Toss another YouTuber in the trash
All that's missing is for the Finebros to make a react video on the topic, exonerating Pewdiepie of any culpability.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This thread as well as having to explain to a friend in my own social circle how I’m not saying PewDiePie is literally the cause of the shooting has left me baffled at how many fans this guy has. Like you’d honestly think that you insulted these people’s messiah by disapproving him at this point.
Any crack in their horrible worldview will spread to show them just how wrong they are, so they need to defend it at every turn.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Second I don't agree with Colin, I just think he's idealistic, and it drives me nuts to see people go after people so hard for people they disagree with politically.
Politics has consequences. Politics is marginalization of people, politics is oppression, politics is war, politics is terrorism, politics is genocide.
 

mjc

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,760
This is such a sad and difficult situation. PDP is not responsible for the actions of others, I think that's fair to say. Is he complicit? Maybe, probably. What can we even try to do to start to push back against this violence? I have no clue.

Second I don't agree with Colin, I just think he's idealistic, and it drives me nuts to see people go after people so hard for people they disagree with politically.

I just don't even know where we go from here, how do we reach a point where we aren't mass censoring everyone we disagree with, but also not allowing hate speech to thrive.
I think you know what the solution is, and it's easier than you think. Don't give platforms to people like PDP who share hate. Him veiling his behavior as "just joking" is just about the thinnest defense you can attribute to it. People like PDP are influencers.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,176
This is such a sad and difficult situation. PDP is not responsible for the actions of others, I think that's fair to say. Is he complicit? Maybe, probably. What can we even try to do to start to push back against this violence? I have no clue.

Second I don't agree with Colin, I just think he's idealistic, and it drives me nuts to see people go after people so hard for people they disagree with politically.

I just don't even know where we go from here, how do we reach a point where we aren't mass censoring everyone we disagree with, but also not allowing hate speech to thrive.
YouTube could probably incorporate guidelines similar to those of a public broadcaster, at least when it comes to facts and research being required. It could also use a regulator to gauge whether content is harmful or spreading harmful ideologies (including defining what is competent satire and what is basically barely disguised hate speech).

Sure, garbage could filter in from small channels due to moderation not being that efficient, but a channel like PDP's with its massive audience should get oversight in the same way TV networks, movies, music, and video games do.
 
Oct 29, 2017
973
User Banned (1 Month): Downplaying hate speech and antagonizing other members over a series of posts
PDP is a racist anti semantic idiot. I can’t believe people here are defending him. You should be ashamed
He may be a absolute fucking tool but.. in regard to this current situation he has done nothing wrong other than been name dropped.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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PDP has fans. They probably consider this a "raid" lol.

Just so everyone checking in and reporting back to various "places", I've seen fucking raids. This is a pathetic shadow of one.
People just love to come here, post some absolutely inane shit, and then go rant elsewhere about how they got banned from here just for saying their opinion. As if they were posting about their favorite color and not spouting bullshit about a serious topic. Not to mention the fun “I got banned for not posting enough!” when junior/low post count messages are because of the burners they’re using on these petty little instant bans.

Well, actually, they don’t even have to do the ranking themselves, other people see it and rush to do it for them.
 
Dec 5, 2017
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User Banned (1 Month): Downplaying hate speech over a series of posts, accounts still in junior phase
Sidenote I think calling him responsible is a slippery slope. Someone who voted for Trump is not necessarily responsible for Trump's actions, but they are complicit and they have a way to rebuke any actions they don't agree with. His response to this, and actions moving forward are what are critical here.
 
Nov 30, 2017
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I'm really disappointed that some major gaming sites aren't covering this.

Eurogamer and Kotaku are both notably silent. Waypoint too, although I feel like they will absolutely weigh in on it with time, given their track record (plus they were plenty active on Twitter). Plus they have a much smaller site and don't necessarily report as a straight news site.

Polygon appear to be linking to Vox's reporting, which is fair enough.

I'm afraid this is going to turn into a gamergate style situation, with some sites refusing to make comment for fear of the shower of idiots it would bring onto their sites.

Eurogamer in particular tends to shy away from these sort of thing and as a big former fan, that stings.
There’s barely a story. A mass shooter made some memes and shouted out a Youtuber. As someone with journalist traning, it’s understood that a story like this would kill a career, which and I know your all out for blood, is a risky proposition if you don’t have all the facts which we don’t. We can’t assume intent, we can’t assume connections, we can’t assume that PDP isn’t going to issue a broader statement. You’re risking a libel lawsuit if you do put something out.

I think outlets should have covered his Tweets and put in the lede paragraph that the shooter called him out by name, but it’s difficult to go farther than that without being libelous
 
Nov 2, 2017
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I don’t watch his content, but I know about the controversy he’s been through. He’s done dumb shit, but why are we talking like the terrorist wouldn’t have done it if PewDiePie didn’t exist?
I know this knucklehead is banned, but in case you're listening, it's the fact that he DID say his name. There's a reason for that, think critically.
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,613
He may be a absolute fucking tool but.. in regard to this current situation he has done nothing wrong other than been name dropped.
His name being dropped is not absent of context. If the shooter mentioned Scrappy Doo, that wouldn't suddenly mean we need to take a good look at old Hanna Barbara cartoons. The shooter mentioned him though and PDP is an influencer who has consistently fed into the sensibilities of the very cultures that produce shooters like these and bigots in general. He's on the spot now because of what he has been doing wrong all throughout his career.
 

firstromario

Alt account
Member
Jan 23, 2019
141
I'm really disappointed that some major gaming sites aren't covering this.

Eurogamer and Kotaku are both notably silent. Waypoint too, although I feel like they will absolutely weigh in on it with time, given their track record (plus they were plenty active on Twitter). Plus they have a much smaller site and don't necessarily report as a straight news site.

Polygon appear to be linking to Vox's reporting, which is fair enough.

I'm afraid this is going to turn into a gamergate style situation, with some sites refusing to make comment for fear of the shower of idiots it would bring onto their sites.

Eurogamer in particular tends to shy away from these sort of thing and as a big former fan, that stings.
It would be VERY poor journalism. Maybe if they can dig up more on PDP I can see having enough for the story...
 
Oct 26, 2017
3,548
Sidenote I think calling him responsible is a slippery slope. Someone who voted for Trump is not necessarily responsible for Trump's actions, but they are complicit and they have a way to rebuke any actions they don't agree with. His response to this, and actions moving forward are what are critical here.
AH yes. The same actions where he said "haha it's just a joke!!!! XD" when he paid people to raise the Death to All Jews signs.

Yup, that truly matters.
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,613
Sidenote I think calling him responsible is a slippery slope. Someone who voted for Trump is not necessarily responsible for Trump's actions, but they are complicit and they have a way to rebuke any actions they don't agree with. His response to this, and actions moving forward are what are critical here.
No one said he was responsible. Please stop pushing that bullshit. This isn't about making PDP pay for killing 40+ people. It's about making PDP take seriously what he puts on his network and the beliefs he espouses with the reach and influence he has.
 
Oct 26, 2017
7,060
Sidenote I think calling him responsible is a slippery slope. Someone who voted for Trump is not necessarily responsible for Trump's actions, but they are complicit and they have a way to rebuke any actions they don't agree with. His response to this, and actions moving forward are what are critical here.
So you don't think his years of spewing bigoted language, his mingling with alt-right thought leaders, and his sharing of these alt-right leaders' ideas and content is a clear indicator that he has contributed to radicalizing people such as the shooter of this incident?