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PewDiePie attempts to distance himself from Christchurch Mosque shooter who pledged support (READ THREADMARKS)
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Remember that time he "trolled" California on twitter by threatening to cut federal aid for areas affected by wildfires? That is exactly the kind of shit we need to call attention too. Because if we don't, it becomes normalized.
We cannot afford to ignore him. Simple as that.
Yes, don't judge him in his past actions and all the hate speech he promoted, judge him based on his apology and response to this act.
Idiot..
Oh no, not the fucking toys. Anything but muh gaems.
Fucks sake this side of the forum is trash
User Banned (2 Weeks): Downplaying hate speech.
Taking this shooting your air out your shit against pewdiepie than focus on the tragedy is just a big low.
The two are in direct confluence with one another.
We need to stop ignoring context for all of these things. They're just going to get worse.
Hmm...
But that's the thing, it's not merely just "air out your shit", he's been a problem and the shooter labelled him as an inspiration.
I'd recommend you look at this.
I am NOT downplaying his bad effects - see my previous post. Is it so fucking weird I would like the first post of such serious topic to be CORRECT? So some alt-right fuckers wouldn't accuse this place of lying or something? To be more clear? I don't believe that if something refers to a shitty person it shouldn't be correct.
I'm a bisexual leftist. I hate Trump and everything he stands for. I despise my current right-wing, anti-immigration government. I despise nationalism. I agree that Pewdiepie should go away if his content won't change dramatically. I agree he has too much of an influence (bad influence of course) on young people. Is it enough or am I still "defending nazis" by just wanting small correction in OT?
Here's the thing: No matter what bullshit is traded between posters on this board in particular, it isn't a call to action. People who insult each other aren't calling for violence. We don't know each other. Were behind a screen. It's worlds different form actual targeting at being black or being gay or being a woman or being transgender. Someone dogpiling a commenter has no bearing on that commenters safety or life. It has zero actual teeth. Unlike the shit on 4chan and 8chan and Stormfront where they target people in real life. They use real life examples of people who should be hated and feared and attacked like Obama or Brie Larson or David Hogg or the people who look like and/or believe the progressive progressive ideals men and women like that subscribe to. ResetERA is not "as bad" as other places. I have no interest in killing or attacking any one in this topic who has disagreed with me or supported PDP or anything else which is world apart from forums where the focus is entirely on pointing out the enemies in day to day real life. If people are "scared off" because others are being harsh then that's literally the worst that can happen to them. On the other end is actual people who have to fear for their actual lives because of the rhetoric spread in places like PDP's YT comments. People are harsh because this isn't simply a debate about fixing pot holes or cleaning up the neighborhood park. I'm black and queer and I've tempered myself in these conversations for my own sake. In reality I'm angry and scared and ashamed because in real life I am a target for people just like these shooters. That intensity is not something that someone who gets dogpiled on a forum actually shares in. I can't just log off from life or block out the Nazis or KKK members who live in my state or city or apartment complex. People who are scared off need to consider if they're actually afraid of a physical danger or just don't like it when someone is snippy to them on a gaming message board. I can't really spare any sympathy from people who run in the face of others being passionate & emotional in the wake of events with actual flesh and blood casualties. The pointed end of the hatred that spread on 4chan or NeoGaf is directed at people like me in a very visceral and tangible way. We're angry and rough and snippy and intolerant because there are actual consequences for the things people say in regards to real life people and not just posters with nerdy avatars. We condemn things harshly because they are things worth being harsh about.
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Please do not insult me. I do not know you.
If I went based on his past actions, I would be defending him. But that would be idiotic, as I do not know him personally, nor does he know me, and most importantly he has not defended himself yet on this. Everyone here likes to presume what he will respond before he actually does, and get angry at it, and he always responds something different.
For example, people defaced a WWII memorial with "subscribe to Pewdiepie" the other day. He gave a video response, where, surprise surprise, he did not say "lol this is just a meme" or "antisemitism is bad, wink wink" like ERA said he would.
Likewise, ERA is now angry that he does not take responsibility for this, or at least acknowledge that he has a fanbase among the alt-right and distance himself from them with a strong and serious condemnation. But he has not given a video response yet.
We said what we had to say, now I wait for his response (which, again, I feel will be disappointing - likely something along the lines of condemning what happened, but saying that his fans are not like this at all and he did absolutely nothing to foster this mentality).
edit: Also, I have already expressed my thoughts surrounding Pewdiepie in the other thread. I can link to it if you really want to hear what I think, but again I think that it is all words in the air until he actually gives a response defending or condemning himself.
It's during the killing video. He tells the viewers to "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" before commencing his terrorist rampage.
WTF. You would defend someone who paid for a "Dead to all jews" sign. And his apology was just "ITS JUST A JOKE BRO". ?
The equivalent of "how dare you talk about gun control, this is not the right moment"
He says "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" before getting out of his car to commit the shooting.
I'm struggling to understand why so many are coming to the defence of the guy? He is just a YouTube ffs.
He didn't commit the crime but surely people can see he does nothing to stop that part of his crowd? I wish one of those that came into this thread saying "its not his fault" like how can you have empathy for him and not care about what happened?
The fact is the shooter used his meme in an act of extreme hate. That's fact. That happened. He was making a sign to others.
He didn't commit the crime but surely people can see he does nothing to stop that part of his crowd? I wish one of those that came into this thread saying "its not his fault" like how can you have empathy for him and not care about what happened?
The fact is the shooter used his meme in an act of extreme hate. That's fact. That happened. He was making a sign to others.
Simply stating your are sickened just isnt cutting it. Its time to take a good damn hard look at yourself and why you are the one mentioned. But he isn never going to do that.
Its very telling that he is the one brought up and not Jackseptiqeye, Angry Joe or any other big YOutuber. Its Pewdiepie for a reason and we all know that reason.
Its very telling that he is the one brought up and not Jackseptiqeye, Angry Joe or any other big YOutuber. Its Pewdiepie for a reason and we all know that reason.
OP said it's also in the manifesto. He said "subscribe to pewdiepie" in the car and not in a serious manner. I think linking pewdiepie to the crime is rather far-fetched going solely off the killer's behaviour.
You do realise I'm implying that its distracting from the bigger issue? Instead of just trying to reply to every post "this forum is trash", say something meaningful.
Is there a list yet of people who have? I'd like to block them too.
In addition to those in this thread, because I'm not here for fuckwits in this situation.
People keep saying focus on the tragedy. The tragedy is being focused on. The people responsible are being hunted for being criminals. They are going to earn their just deserts. What we're focused on is stopping the very rhetoric that feeds into producing killers like the ones form Christchurch. And in regards to gaming, despite wanting to distance himself form it, PDP and many many many others in and outside of YT are the source of the vileness that reinforces the mentality that these mass murderers justify themselves by. People would have no "shit" against PDP if he didn't consistently play into the very song that violent bigots want to here.
Oh damn, words have consequences?! Screw PDP, and hope the perpetrators get what they deserve for this heinous act.
Yes surely the terrorist was out to defame pewdiepie. PDP is the real victim here. Poor PDP.
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Hi All,
To those who dont quite understand how PDP may influence acts like this, here's a great response to the situation from a prominent media figure in Australia:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156171317993441&id=107787018440
He doesn't mention PDP at all but instead reveals the influence our own Government also has on this type of act, even if it occured in a different country.
To those who dont quite understand how PDP may influence acts like this, here's a great response to the situation from a prominent media figure in Australia:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156171317993441&id=107787018440
He doesn't mention PDP at all but instead reveals the influence our own Government also has on this type of act, even if it occured in a different country.
I don't know much about Pewdiepie. Whilst I dislike the 'no smoke without fire' logic, as it's often used to find sin where there isn't much (in gossip, for instance), it does seem odd that numerous hateful things happen that directly link themselves to him (via the perpetators themselves). It's not necessarily a case of 'PDP explicitly said X', or even thinks X... it feels more subtle than that, but the evidence is there, in horrible colour.
He mentions him by name instanst before starting the massacre and that's not even enough for you? Are you waiting for his apology video too?
okay - sure: PewDiePie is an idiot. oblivious at best - full alt-right racist at worst. but linking him to that shooting because of a meme (which it is at this point)? I dunno - thats one step more as I am willing to take. If he would be mentioned in the manifesto or something - another story. I don't have all the details but this seems like "the killer played games like WoW and Counter-Strike" all over again.
Now, a good person would make video saying sorry, shit has gone too far, he wasn't trying to convey these messages, for some reason he gained popularity among these extremists (it's clearly not an isolated case), and then he would announce no more contents for a while in sign of respect for NZ.
Instead i'm pretty sure Pewdiepie will ignore all this, if journalists starts to attack him, he will say "not my fault, just a joke bro,..." in between a meme review video without any real apology and that's fucked up.
Instead i'm pretty sure Pewdiepie will ignore all this, if journalists starts to attack him, he will say "not my fault, just a joke bro,..." in between a meme review video without any real apology and that's fucked up.
Not nazi but #1 with nazis
But influencers don't have influence tho. Don't you dare call him out.
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Unless Pew Die Pie told people go out and kill people he is in no way responsible. Bernie Sanders was not responsible for the gunman who went and shot up congress people at that softball game either. Killers are responsible for killings. If a figure is inciting people to violence that is a different story.
Words and actions have consequences, especially when you have 90M subscribers on youtube. The fact that the shooter thought of PDP before going on his rampage should tip you off that something is wrong.
Guns don't kill people too I hear
How many account have gotten bans this thread ?
Do they never learn ?
PWP is responsible.
He encouraged it, he endorsed it, and then he "appologises", just to repeat the cycle again later.
