PewDiePie attempts to distance himself from Christchurch Mosque shooter who pledged support (READ THREADMARKS)

Cosmonaut X · Mar 15, 2019

For anyone defending Pewdiepie, perhaps it's worth considering why this bastard said "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" before going on to butcher 40+ people. Why that phrase/meme above all others?

No, Pewdiepie didn't directly incite someone to go and do this. No, he's not the most extreme YT figure out there. No, he doesn't come out with explicit white supremacist rhetoric. But he is the laughing, "for the lulz", hugely popular figure who people that swim in the shitty waters that Brenton Tarrant did identify with, because of his "jokes", or his linking to far-right sites, or his anti-media stance, or his refusal/inability to condemn the stuff he's perceived as supporting with his "jokes".

gcwy · Mar 15, 2019

Kinsei said:
PewDiePie calling someone the N word: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-youtube-livestream/?utm_term=.ff2b0bec1f75
PewDiePie paying people to hold up a sign that says "Death to all Jews": https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ie-thinks-death-to-all-jews-joke-laughing-yet
PewDiePie doing a collab with Ben Shapiro: https://www.vox.com/2018/12/13/1813...-links-to-white-supremacist-alt-right-redpill

Do I need to go on?

"it's just memes bro"

Fuck PDP and fuck his fans.

Deleted member 8001 · Mar 15, 2019

Shugga said:
It won't

I'm sure he's looking at the 200k+ likes on his "sickened" tweet and feeling so loved and appreciated right now.

It's as you said, it won't happen in the slightest. There's no penalties, he has a legion of fans that will suck up to him and empower him to continue.

True Prophecy · Mar 15, 2019

Ben Walker said:
This is PewDiePie's fault how? You can keep blaming attacks on anything other what actually starts them but this is a whole other level of what?

This guy is fully bad mouthing the site on his personal twitter which I went down a rabbit hole of many who hate the site, I was kinda shocked to be honest.

There is a difference between saying PDP caused this to happen directly and that he helps this sort of mentality continue surely?

Anyway, I need to get away from all this the whole thing has been extremely eye-opening and feel so much pain and anger for the people of NZ.

I don't know what to do anymore. Are we shit people for calling out this?

Mister X · Mar 15, 2019

Voxl said:
okay - sure: PewDiePie is an idiot. oblivious at best - full alt-right racist at worst. but linking him to that shooting because of a meme (which it is at this point)? I dunno - thats one step more as I am willing to take. If he would be mentioned in the manifesto or something - another story. I don't have all the details but this seems like "the killer played games like WoW and Counter-Strike" all over again.

I see what you mean. Guilt by association is still a fallacy.

But Pewdiepie is still an idiot though.

L Thammy · Mar 15, 2019

KRBM said:
Those underlines sure made it seem like you were backing up these claims. Anyone have sources that fully cover any of the above claims?

Aside from the stuff listed in this post:

Kinsei said:
PewDiePie calling someone the N word: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-youtube-livestream/?utm_term=.ff2b0bec1f75
PewDiePie paying people to hold up a sign that says "Death to all Jews": https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ie-thinks-death-to-all-jews-joke-laughing-yet
PewDiePie doing a collab with Ben Shapiro: https://www.vox.com/2018/12/13/1813...-links-to-white-supremacist-alt-right-redpill

Do I need to go on?

I'll add:

Article on PewDiePie's use of fascist imagery
PewDiePie Defends Politician Who Believes Women Are Less Intelligent Than Men
PewDiePie promotes a white supremacist's channel
PewDiePie promotes another white supremacist's channel
PewDiePie attacks the media

EdibleKnife · Mar 15, 2019

ShironRedshift said:
I'm aware of the incident itself (I mention Scalise, the primary victim, at the end of that post if you notice). I just meant the talking point of using the shooting to try and defend PewDiePie here. Not the first time I've seen someone use the fact that nobody blames Sanders for the then Majority Whip being shot to defend PewDiePie and how nobody should be linking PewDiePie either in this thread, despite the clear differences between those situations, and was just musing if that's on a list of talking points somewhere that's getting sent around as a result because that's such a specific thing to bring up and seeing it multiple times despite the clear differences is weird to me. That's all I meant, not what shooting that person was referring to at all.

You're absolutely right. It's a strategy used all too often: Compare two things that seem like they're the same but rob them of all context to try and make a point about two sides being equivalent. People like it because it's simple: "Remember that old shooting where the killer was a democrat? Not all republicans", "Remember that time a black person shot the police instead of the police shooting him? Not all police.", "Remember that time a woman lied about being raped? Not all men." It's easy short hand to try and end the argument.

SurrenderDorothy · Mar 15, 2019

True Prophecy said:
This guy is fully bad mouthing the site on his personal twitter which I went down a rabbit hole of many who hate the site, I was kinda shocked to be honest.

There is a difference between saying PDP caused this to happen directly and that he helps this sort of mentality continue surely?

Anyway, I need to get away from all this the whole thing has been extremely eye-opening and feel so much pain and anger for the people of NZ.

I don't know what to do anymore. Are we shit people for calling out this?

Bastards trying to get other YTers to report this. Fucking "Woe is me" Ben over here...
Permban the cunt. 2 weeks ain't shit.
Fucking bastard.

Burst · Mar 15, 2019

We need to figure out everything that this man has consumed so we can ban everything that may have contributed his horrific actions. The only way we can stop this from happening again is by banning all humour, satire and anything that could contribute to hate if misinterpreted and put through the filter of a mad man.

adinsx · Mar 15, 2019

I see pewdiepie and I have no urge to be killing people, I'm not anti-semitic and not racist.

Now, I will not say he haven't done some disgusted shit, he did. But the people that does things like this are already mentally sick, they would probably do it with pewdiepie videos or not.

At best he could use his influence to instruct young generations that this type of behavior is... inhuman... disgusting... i don't know...

jett · Mar 15, 2019

Man the replies to that PDP tweet. It's a cult. A cult of dumbasses.

EdibleKnife · Mar 15, 2019

Burst said:
We need to figure out everything that this man has consumed so we can ban everything that may have contributed his horrific actions. The only way we can stop this from happening again is by banning all humour, satire and anything that could contribute to hate if misinterpreted and put through the filter of a mad man.

Not everyone can get out of being held accountable to their actions by hiding behind satire and humor. PDP's "joke" wasn't funny and his "satire" wasn't clever which is why bigots see him as an ally and actually take him seriously. This is without going into the fact that he associates with the very people he says he doesn't want to be associated with.

adinsx said:
I see pewdiepie and I have no urge to be killing people, I'm not anti-semitic and not racist.

Now, I will not say he haven't done some disgusted shit, he did. But the people that does things like this are already mentally sick, they would probably do it with pewdiepie videos or not.

At best he could use his influence to instruct young generations that this type of behavior is... inhuman... disgusting... i don't know...

Yet he does produce videos and adds to the swill that violent bigots swallow whole. Speculating about a world where PDP didn't make a sign to say "Death to all Jews" is a patently useless exercise because he did. It's out there and it squarely made him a darling within the circles that people like these killers run in.

Deleted member 8696 · Mar 15, 2019

i have a legit question, why are mods allowing very aggresive insulting on others who might think slightly different about who to really blame for?

I'm asking because I thought civil discussion was encouraged on this place, yet I'm seeing quite the opposite (see first pages)

Legit question

Deleted member 47700 · Mar 15, 2019

adinsx said:
I see pewdiepie and I have no urge to be killing people, I'm not anti-semitic and not racist.

Now, I will not say he haven't done some disgusted shit, he did.

Why watch him then when there's countless other gaming personalities who don't signal boost and act like a useful idiot for this hatred?

RedAhmed · Mar 15, 2019

This is seriously disgusting. I fear for the safety of the people of New Zealand, and I'm utterly disgusted by Pewdiepie influence. They should take away his influential position he has right now, he has proven to be a danger to mankind.

I am going to a mosque in a bit, and I am now aware that there is a chance that someone put there, inspired by this crazy person, considering to shoot innocent people in a mosque. The Friday prayer is also were most people will be. But I will not let these terrorists ruin my way of life.

I'm going to block every channel/person defending this act of terrorism and defending or downplaying Pewdiepie role in this.

CheapJi · Mar 15, 2019

Well hes an idiot. He has done some questionable things say the least. But i dont think he deserves this much hate.

Breakfast at Noon · Mar 15, 2019

I think we should be more concerned over what has happened and the poor people that have lost their lives than a internet celebrity been "associated" with the killer.

EdibleKnife · Mar 15, 2019

Alirezay75 said:
Well hes an idiot. He has done some questionable things say the least. But i dont think he deserves this much hate.

And Jewish people don't deserve to see a popular YT personality make light of the holocaust, yet here we are. He gets the hate he gives. He put hate into the world and is getting it back. It's that simple.

Breakfast at Noon said:
I think we should be more concerned over what has happened and the poor people that have lost their lives than a internet celebrity been "associated" with the killer.

We can do two things at once.

Lentic · Mar 15, 2019

Breakfast at Noon said:
I think we should be more concerned over what has happened and the poor people that have lost their lives than a internet celebrity been "associated" with the killer.

Funny how this is literally the first post you made about this story.

sirap · Mar 15, 2019

Breakfast at Noon said:
I think we should be more concerned over what has happened and the poor people that have lost their lives than a internet celebrity been "associated" with the killer.

Mhmm, or we can do both.

funky · Mar 15, 2019

Sad to see it come to this. But cant say the signs where not there.

YouTube will need to clean its yard before governments swoop in and start regulating it themselves.

True Prophecy · Mar 15, 2019

Cramoss said:
i have a legit question, why are mods allowing very aggresive insulting on others who might think slightly different about who to really blame for?

I'm asking because I thought civil discussion was encouraged on this place, yet I'm seeing quite the opposite (see first pages)

Legit question

Tension and emotions are high, and I think a lot of people coming and saying stuff like "well PDP is a stand-up bloke who cannot be blamed for this" is a bit short sited when no one here is saying he caused it to happen just that we should maybe look at why he was placed in a shout out before a mass killing.

SurrenderDorothy said:
Bastards trying to get other YTers to report this. Fucking "Woe is me" Ben over here...
Permban the cunt. 2 weeks ain't shit.
Fucking bastard.

I don't get it... like Skillup blocked me too so that's why Im wondering why what I feel is so wrong to others they are not even trying to respond.

Deleted member 51266 · Mar 15, 2019

Cramoss said:
i have a legit question, why are mods allowing very aggresive insulting on others who might think slightly different about who to really blame for?

I'm asking because I thought civil discussion was encouraged on this place, yet I'm seeing quite the opposite (see first pages)

Legit question

49 human lives have just been lost and you're wondering why are people being emotional about this?

Rilakkuma Fanatic · Mar 15, 2019

Cramoss said:
i have a legit question, why are mods allowing very aggresive insulting on others who might think slightly different about who to really blame for?

I'm asking because I thought civil discussion was encouraged on this place, yet I'm seeing quite the opposite (see first pages)

Legit question

Because people don't like white supremacist/adjacent/(whatever term you want to launder it with) apologism.

Servbot24 · Mar 15, 2019

A public person cannot be responsible for the actions of each of their fans. However they can be responsible for the culture and messaging they perpetuate among their fanbase. And in that regard, at the very least, PewDiePie has seriously fucked up. And he's been warned repeatedly that he was fucking up. He doesn't have the right to be shocked that a horrible real life consequence came of it.

Lant_War · Mar 15, 2019

jett said:
Man the replies to that PDP tweet. It's a cult. A cult of dumbasses.

It really is. No matter what PDP does they'll never accept any criticism of their Lord.

AdequateSubject · Mar 15, 2019

The strategy is rather obvious when you take a step back and observe what they're doing. The terrorist's right-wing peers can immediately shift focus from the actual attack and instead use it to their advantage. They are already out in force attacking "the left" and "the media" for "politicizing the attack" and "smearing Pewdiepie and innocent conservatives". The far-right here in Europe used that very same strategy to great success after the Utoya massacre in 2011.

adinsx · Mar 15, 2019

she_esh said:
Why watch him then when there's countless other gaming personalities who don't signal boost and act like a useful idiot for this hatred?

Oh I see other youtubers that are much better and funny than PDP, to be honest I have been losing interest in his content for months now.
NOW! I didn't see those twitters that people are showing here and you guys do have a point, even if he's trying to be edgy some people will take this too literally.

Said that yeah, he may have some fault and give some meaning for sick people to do this shit...

AYF 001 · Mar 15, 2019

Cramoss said:
i have a legit question, why are mods allowing very aggresive insulting on others who might think slightly different about who to really blame for?

I'm asking because I thought civil discussion was encouraged on this place, yet I'm seeing quite the opposite (see first pages)

Legit question

Specific to this thread: people getting angry at poster #37 who doesn't read the OP, threadmarks, or pretty much anything past the title, and asking the same question the other 36 people just asked.

In general: there's been a trend that first emerged on the old site, which carried over to here, of trolls with suspiciously low post counts with most comments being in similar types of threads, asking these same basic questions over and over again. Usually a bit of account digging or pressing them with questions reveals said troll also being bigot of some sort and they subsequently catch a ban. Frequent posters pick up on these cues and, instead of having to play philosopher detective for the fifteenth time in five hours, they just call BS on them right away.

SantaC · Mar 15, 2019

Alirezay75 said:
Well hes an idiot. He has done some questionable things say the least. But i dont think he deserves this much hate.

I agree with this.

Hatred feeds hatred.

Kinsei · Mar 15, 2019

AdequateSubject said:
The strategy is rather obvious when you take a step back and observe what they're doing. The terrorist's right-wing peers can immediately shift focus from the actual attack and instead use it to their advantage. They are already out in force attacking "the left" and "the media" for "politicizing the attack" and "smearing Pewdiepie and innocent conservatives". The far-right here in Europe used that very same strategy to great success after the Utoya massacre in 2011.

It's the oldest play in the book. Then they'll will act shocked the next time something like this inevitably happens.

True Prophecy · Mar 15, 2019

Servbot24 said:
A public person cannot be responsible for the actions of each of their fans. However they can be responsible for the culture and messaging they perpetuate among their fanbase. And in that regard, at the very least, PewDiePie has seriously fucked up. And he's been warned repeatedly that he was fucking up. He doesn't have the right to be shocked that a horrible real life consequence came of it.

Thank you, you put it exactly how I couldn't.

m_dorian · Mar 15, 2019

SantaC said:
I agree with this.

Hatred feeds hatred.

"Not a Nazi but no 1 with Nazis."

Keyser S · Mar 15, 2019

Breakfast at Noon said:
I think we should be more concerned over what has happened and the poor people that have lost their lives than a internet celebrity been "associated" with the killer.

So, if we do this, when the next event happens (and it sadly will with your mindset) will we just react exclusively to that too, or when do you believe we are finally allowed to talk about the root of the problem - which includes him and a hell of a lot more horrible people.

People are emboldened to do stuff like this nowadays for a reason, please think about that before you comment

Intel_89 · Mar 15, 2019

I don't think that he could've done more at this time than trying to distantiate himself from this nightmare even though he kinda kept waving at alt-rights every now and again.

It's sad that most of the people with huge followings use their influence for all the wrong reasons. My thoughts go to the victims.

Kyuuji · Mar 15, 2019

Dude needs to seriously reflect on whether he should be doing what he's doing anymore.
Not all fun and games and people being mean when your shit leads to real-world consequences and atrocities.

cognizant · Mar 15, 2019

Just realised the piece of shit killer is still alive, I wonder if he'll continue to mention the other piece of shit this thread is about during the inevitable trial.

Keyser S · Mar 15, 2019

Intel_89 said:
I don't think that he could've done more at this time than trying to distantiate himself from this nightmare even though he kinda kept waving at alt-rights every now and again.

It's sad that most of the people with huge followings use their influence for all the wrong reasons. My thoughts go to the victims.

There are good people out there with large followings, but good does not make as loud of a noise as bad

Rilakkuma Fanatic · Mar 15, 2019

Kyuuji said:
Dude needs to seriously reflect on whether he should be doing what he's doing anymore.
Not all fun and games and people being mean when your shit leads to real-world consequences and atrocities.

I don't need him to 'reflect', just fuck off permanently.

gcwy · Mar 15, 2019

Dan. said:
Not a fan of pewdiepie at all, but this thread right now reads honestly like a extremist hate forum for nazi's or something

What the fuck? Holy shit. I know this user is banned but this is the most absurd shit I've read all day, considering. What the fuck. Did you even read this shit?

No wonder people stay away from the gaming side.

How About No · Mar 15, 2019

SantaC said:
I agree with this.

Hatred feeds hatred.

i'm sorry, we'll stop being intolerant to intolerance

GuEiMiRrIRoW · Mar 15, 2019

Just waked up to this. In Brazil, the same happened 3 days ago on a school and 10 people died, including 6 teenagers. I'm really sad.

TheChungusAmongUs · Mar 15, 2019

It's not related to PDP, but man oh man THQ Nordic needs to get their asses blasted more over the fact they decided to not only hold an AMA on a website that hosted child pornography, but one that promoted and placed links to stream a mass shooting with multiple of their members cheering it on.

jariw · Mar 15, 2019

Breakfast at Noon said:
I think we should be more concerned over what has happened and the poor people that have lost their lives than a internet celebrity been "associated" with the killer.

FWIW, this thread is specifically about that internet celebrity.

The general thread about the shooting/victims/etc is on EctetEra:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...dy-49-confirmed-dead-read-threadmarks.105436/

SantaC · Mar 15, 2019

How About No said:
i'm sorry, we'll stop being intolerant to intolerance

Seems all hate is focused on pdp and not the actual killer.

ShinUltramanJ · Mar 15, 2019

I'm reading about the shooting now. What a horrific tragedy, and this piece of shit and his accomplices recorded it?!

PDP is so full of shit. This is your fan base asshole. This is what you cultivate.

How About No · Mar 15, 2019

SantaC said:
Seems all hate is focused on pdp and not the actual killer.

go to the Ectetera thread

If you didn't notice, this thread is about PDP and his role in influencing the shooter

Tempy · Mar 15, 2019

SantaC said:
Seems all hate is focused on pdp and not the actual killer.

Because this is the fucking PDP thread. There's a general thread elsewhere. This isn't hard.

EdibleKnife · Mar 15, 2019

SantaC said:
I agree with this.

Hatred feeds hatred.

There is no equivalence between the hatred PDP perpetuates by making light of the holocaust and the hatred he gets from the people rightfully pissed about his flippant attitude toward the disenfranchised and continual association with the modern day peddlers of bigoted hate. No one forced PDP to pull his Death to Jews bs. He chose to do it and the people who have to live with the fall out have no obligation to be kind to him for willingly being part of the bigger problem.

derFeef · Mar 15, 2019

SantaC said:
Seems all hate is focused on pdp and not the actual killer.

This thread is about PDP and his involvement of the shooting.

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