I don't like Pewdiepie but he's not guilty just like Marilyn Manson wasn't back then. He sucks though.
You can't make this shit up.
It's worth pointing out that a lot of the time (and let's especially roll back at least 5 years) while all of those people are controversial and ultimately trolls, none of them had particularly rallying viewpoints about causing violence or spreading the hate. People will always believe they are the morally justified party, and while the slippery slopes lead to hatred and bigotry, I believe a lot of people who followed them are as simple as "I don't care for all this caring in the world" which is shitty but not as shitty as "I want to spread some hate and promote violence!".
Lauren Southern has just deleted her "great replacement" video for... some reason.
I didn't mean to say they have but I admit I didn't know what their background was before the recent divisive times.Shapiro was a lead editor at Breitbart starting in 2012.
Southern started her activism around 2015.
Crowder has been part of the right wingers since 2009.
Watson has been actively making right wing videos since 2011.
Stefan Molyneux has been peddling his bullshit since 2005.
These people have not turned into right wingers out of a sudden within the last few years.
Shapiro was a lead editor at Breitbart starting in 2012.
Southern started her activism around 2015.
Crowder has been part of the right wingers since 2009.
Watson has been actively making right wing videos since 2011.
Stefan Molyneux has been peddling his bullshit since 2005.
These people have not turned into right wingers out of a sudden within the last few years.
If the person appears legitimately spiteful to jews and not reiterating memes of the 1930s or trying to create offensive content on purpose. PewDiePie would never join a neo-nazi march. You're just delusional if you think that's what he is about, and I always felt people who lump him in as a legit nazi are people who barely know who he is and jumped on the sensationalist headline or they're people who hate him for his personality and gladly took the nazi controversy as a means of trashing him with some idea of it being morally good (in its own gaslighting manner)
And of course this is all anyone is talking about over here regarding the incident. Screw pewdiepie, screw Pachter, this isn't truly important. The shooter himself wanted as many people as possible to discuss the incident and himself, and what better way than to bring up names and phrases that you know will generate attention?
You want to look into the cesspool that makes things like this possible? Take a look at 4ch, or 8ch where you have 10s of people quite literally applauding this piece of trash. That's what feeds these people.
I do think PDP needs to take a deep hard look at who he features on his videos though. It's time (past time really) to curate this crap.
Wait a minute why are you defending this jabroni?Difference is that the individual doesn't intend harm on other people; example 1 is someone with an actual agenda because they hate jews or other forms of minorities and want to see the world burn, and example 2 is someone who doesn't realize it's going to create more hate but their agenda was not that.
Pewdiepie is an evil genius mastermind that has somehow tricked his followers into thinking he is a naive kidult who just doesn't know any better, yet he knows exactly what he's doing. Amazing
Completely different situations. Pewdiepie is a gaming channel that serves as a gateway to alt-right and outright neonazi content. While we can't blame him for shooting 49 people, we can say he has served as a lightning rod for people looking for hateful content.I don't like Pewdiepie but he's not guilty just like Marilyn Manson wasn't back then. He sucks though.
Becuase I disagree with the idea that he was a literal nazi. I shouldn't be but I think it is wrong.
Difference is that the individual doesn't intend harm on other people; example 1 is someone with an actual agenda because they hate jews or other forms of minorities and want to see the world burn, and example 2 is someone who doesn't realize it's going to create more hate but their agenda was not that.
Ok the evil mastermind part was but I do think that he knows exactly what he's doing and he's tricking his dumb fandom and he's a gateway to the alt right and he needs to be held accountable but he won't because money
The right-leaning agenda is something I saw and caused me to stop watching. I just don't conflate that with literally being a nazi.
Difference is that the individual doesn't intend harm on other people
Bigotry at the very best of times incredibly normalized in the gaming community. Resetera not only is the largest gaming forum, it's also the most progressive, bigotry isn't normalized here. Convos aren't variants of "I'm a fragile fuck with no personality so i'm offended by the idea of empathy so haha trans helicopters amirite gamerz?" And it's heavily encouraged to back up the things you say if it's inflammatory, you know, that thing gamers hate doing.
I didn't mean to say they have but I admit I didn't know what their background was before the recent divisive times.
People are focusing on other components of the attack in Etcetera:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ma...ody-49-confirmed-dead-read-threadmarks.105436
At least we seem to agree that he should know he has a big influence as a big voice, and that leads to placing bananas everywhere.Bananas are very slippery and you can be seriously injured slipping one. I know this. But I still leave banana peels everywhere, not intentionally to harm others, but because I just dont give a damn. I also dont care about others telling me that I shouldnt leave those peels everywhere. People proceed to slip on my banana peels.
Person 2 leaves banana peels intentionally and with harmful intent. People proceed to slip on banana peels.
People are still slipping on banana peels but 2 is worse because of intent? lol
Resetera thinking Pewdiepie is an evil nazi boogeyman is one of the most bizarre things ever.
care to articulate further this? in the time you have that's it.Resetera thinking Pewdiepie is an evil nazi boogeyman is one of the most bizarre things ever.
For a guy who says the alt right is bad, it's weird he would reply to an alt right youtuber like LegacyKilla.I swear the god every single gamer YouTuber is a bag of dicks.
Resetera thinking Pewdiepie is an evil nazi boogeyman is one of the most bizarre things ever.
It's worth pointing out that a lot of the time (and let's especially roll back at least 5 years) while all of those people are controversial and ultimately trolls, none of them had particularly rallying viewpoints about causing violence or spreading the hate. People will always believe they are the morally justified party, and while the slippery slopes lead to hatred and bigotry, I believe a lot of people who followed them are as simple as "I don't care for all this caring in the world" which is shitty but not as shitty as "I want to spread some hate and promote violence!". I know it's shitty to even make that distinction but when people keep conflating lesser evils as being equally bad you have to set the record straight. We're human and we all err, and no one individual is worse than the people who actually take weapons in their hands and murder someone else.
Bro, alt tighter and Nazi share the same Idea and views. At the end of day or who cares. Like how many times one man have to show his hand until he becomes one?Becuase I disagree with the idea that he was a literal nazi. I shouldn't be but I think it is wrong.
When it comes to what has happened today, I am in agreement that his retort is mostly worthless because he didn't properly apologize or backpedal when he realized he was offending people way back when the original nazi thing happened.
You know, I didn't "buy" the whole sharing platform thing that much until recently. Where my 13 year old cousins kept asking if I knew Ben Shapiro.Then maybe fucking check what kind of people your idol allows to push their hateful, bigoted agendas using his 80 million follower platform before proclaiming he is an innocent bystander who's just being edge for the keks.
You keep defending someone who actively supports alt-right figureheads by sharing their content on his massive platform, and gives them an insane amount of power to recruit young people into their ranks.
And the fact he keeps making racist and antisemitic remarks should be, at the very least, an incredibly red flag. He shared a video of a notoriously anti-semitic channel just a few months ago. Like come on, this doesn't just keep happening by accident.
At the point at which people are namedropping you prior to slaughtering dozens of people, what is the difference between being perceived as a fascist and "literally" being a fascist? What is the difference between being a winky posterboy for ethnonationalism and "literally" having an ethnonationalist agenda?He has been drawn in by the Jordan Peterson type of anti-wave crowd, you're right, and that must've affected his viewpoints a lot but it's still a big leap from that to saying "he's literally a nazi who spreads antisemitism, because he has a hidden nazist agenda", which is what I feel people keep saying on social media.
It's almost like those others don't push the ideals that lead to the shooting.Why isn't everyone also attacking Activision, Epic Games and the people being the "Gas Gas Gas" song? He played that music during what he did and also lists Fortnite and Spyro the Dragon as reasons for doing what he did. Why is it all pointed at this guy when there's a lot of other reasons he's said he did it?
Y'all are gonna crucify me for this...but I don't think Pewdiepie deserves to have this on his conscience. That dude killed 49 people and, before doing that, announced he was a fan of this. I don't wanna be like "Fuck you Pewdiepie you are complicit" or whatever. If anything, lets hope he reevaluates the sort of company he spends his time with online and the community his fanbase has become. He doesn't deserve to be considered at fault for this. That's unfair.
Why isn't everyone also attacking Activision, Epic Games and the people being the "Gas Gas Gas" song? He played that music during what he did and also lists Fortnite and Spyro the Dragon as reasons for doing what he did. Why is it all pointed at this guy when there's a lot of other reasons he's said he did it?
It's important that you know that you're a stupid person who is needlessly trying to deflect legitimate criticismWhy isn't everyone also attacking Activision, Epic Games and the people being the "Gas Gas Gas" song? He played that music during what he did and also lists Fortnite and Spyro the Dragon as reasons for doing what he did. Why is it all pointed at this guy when there's a lot of other reasons he's said he did it?
The evidence being what you think of him or of the way he used nazism in some of his videos. You think he associates himself with nazism, I think he was putting on a nazi hat and using nazi sentiments ironically as his idea of a "sick meme". I know plenty people who laughed when they saw that. My mom didn't and many other people did not see the humor in it. That's where he should've stopped, and he didn't.Can you prove he's not a nazi? Because all the evidence points to it.
He didn't. Fuck outta here. Coward.What if the gunman had said: 'CALL OF DUTY IS THE BEST GAME EVER'.
Would videogames be guilty?
Having a fanbase of tens of millions of people that support him, it doesn't sound like a nazi to me. A following that large is bound to result in controversy, and sure he's done some stupid things... But calling him a nazi and putting blame on him for radicalizing people when actual cesspools like 8chan exist? It's a huge jump.care to articulate further this? in the time you have that's it.
Y'all are gonna crucify me for this...but I don't think Pewdiepie deserves to have this on his conscience. That dude killed 49 people and, before doing that, announced he was a fan of this. I don't wanna be like "Fuck you Pewdiepie you are complicit" or whatever. If anything, lets hope he reevaluates the sort of company he spends his time with online and the community his fanbase has become. He doesn't deserve to be considered at fault for this. That's unfair.