he was streaming it like it was a game, I dont see how anyone could stream any shooters today
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It's just a meme is the new "but it's just muh opinion".
It's cause they don't have to care. They're mostly white angry man children that never have faced the same institutional injustices others face. People will forever deflect any and all shitty behavior just because it wasn't them directly, cause not one of them wants to live in a world where they would have to hold themselves to higher public standards.
PDP has blood on his hands.
All the Alt-Right trolls and assholes do.
They can't hide from it or disavow responsibility.
All the Alt-Right trolls and assholes do.
They can't hide from it or disavow responsibility.
Yeah i just noticed. And i was so keen on that exonerating evidence too.
I mean, the guy literally gave Nazi salutes, screamed about rape at the top of his lungs in his videos, compared Leslie Jones to 'Harambe', and gave many other alt-right signaling hints. If somebody you knew in 'real life' did this, I'm sure (or at least I hope,) you'd think something is a little off. When is enough enough?
I feel like I'm losing my mind
This didn't happen in a vacuum, stop pretending like it did
Honestly, this always came to mind when I would see people bitching about this place (or Gaf before it) on Reddit/Twitter/literally any other place.
PDP at no point "tells" people to go murder muslims or other minorities (thus, not a "nazi")
PDP loves to joke about nazis and white supremacy and their actions, without ever actually condemning those things unless forced to do so (#1 with nazis)
So trying to argue that we shouldn't hold this against PDP because he's not a nazi and should have the chance to change is deflecting from the fact that he helped cultivate this and was given the chance to change multiple times over.
FOX News is famous for this, because while it's rare for anyone on air to actively state something overtly racist (and they typically end up issuing an apology when someone does), they constantly report and talk about the actions of these people without ever directly condemning them, while also being subtly racist in a plausibly deniable way.
The point is that if your audience is comprised of abhorrent individuals and you don't stop to reflect on why that might be, odds are in some way you are cultivating that crowd. I'm not even going to get into the racial slur he said on stream, the antisemitic jokes, or the platform he provided an outright racist YouTube channel, at the very least PewDiePie certainly is aware that a whole lot of alt right types look up to him, so why doesn't that bother him? If I had a YouTube channel that constantly got praise from racists, I would certainly take the time to openly denounce them and genuinely think about my content and why it was attractive to those kind of people. PewDiePie continues to wink and nod to them instead.
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you mean the same man that has shown time and time again that he is pro alt right?
You guys realize, no matter how bad PDP may be, he shows absolutely no signs of quitting.
Only left lessons.
No, there are no right lessons.
Only left lessons.
Of course PewDiePie should not have to carry on his mind any of the killings. The point of this discussion is that he allows the current meme culture and mentality to keep spreading, he gives it a platform. For people like PDP, and the people he enables and follows him, doing jokes about nazis and jews are just that, jokes. So as long as we keep harrassing and hate as "joking" and "trolling" there's no harm.
Millions of people follow the dude, he is a role model. Nevertheless, since his first fuck up, he never truly apologized, he blamed the media, people defended him it was "a joke". He has this power to do good, influence a lot of people, yet he keeps acting naive and almost never addresses or distances himself from his toxic audience, the one HE ENABLES. And this things and associations keep happening time and time again.
I can totally understand people being frustrated and tired to see this pattern, this behaviour repeating over and over again. He can condem the act and disavows all he wants, but until he truly takes a stance (which he's never gonna do cause his toxic fanbase keep the money pouring) nothing is gonna change, I can assure you than in 6 months we are gonna have this same discussion once again.
There's no use. He's reached the point where he can literally do anything and his followers won't turn on him.
Like dude called a random person a nigger yet you(poster you responded to) still wants to be associated with him
Ah yes PDP is the real victim here. /s
There's consequences for everything and he's now seeing them. Play with those who believe in ethnic cleansing and murder and this is what you get. He better retire his channel and go away forever.
There's consequences for everything and he's now seeing them. Play with those who believe in ethnic cleansing and murder and this is what you get. He better retire his channel and go away forever.
Does anyone believe in the phrase Actions speak louder than words anymore?
Yep, disappointed. Completely disappointed by him. I didn't know about all those controversies. I thought it was about being dumb in front of camera or being paid to feature video games in his videos... What a sad rabbit hole.
Let's just all be absolute shit to each other because we can always say at the end "it was just a meme dooooooods".
Did something like this not already happen? Didn't his network that managed his adverts and are owned by Disney drop him? Is he in a new network now or going it alone on Google adwords? Does that mean Google have to drop him or can advertisers individually block adverts from appearing on his channel?
Sorry so many questions.
Indeed. He was extremely sincere and showed genuine remorse every single time he apologized and said he is not going to repeat being terrible.
He said so many times "I am sorry" that people thought he was applying for Canadian citizenship.
Yup.
If you support and peddle ethnic cleansing and murder, you shouldn't be surprised that at some point, you're going to get ethnic cleansing and murder with your name attached to it.
I feel like people tried before here and the argument at the time was they were being "ironically" toxic and it wasn't an issue.
Which in itself is also incredibly ironic given the discussion of how normalizing this sort of content is what led to this.
Edit: Dualshockers needs to take a bit of flack for their writer there too.
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One time I went to visit my parents, and walking by their neighbor's house, I noticed some pieces of paper taped to their mailbox, a tree, and several other things. Curious, I read one, and in a childish scrawl it said "subscribe to Pewdiepie".
I hope that kid's parents see the news today and have some serious concerns about what their kid is so passionate about.
I hope that kid's parents see the news today and have some serious concerns about what their kid is so passionate about.
True same motherfuckers defending Pew, by "just asking questions bro!" Or "he's not responsible!" Etc etc
Wouldn't give the same benefit of the doubt to marginalized groups.
Y'all are suspect as fuk
Wouldn't give the same benefit of the doubt to marginalized groups.
Y'all are suspect as fuk
I thought we did have one.. or at least I know that some Youtubers and outlets are prohibited from being mentioned or shared here. But it would be great to have an official list yeah.
Hopefully now
There are enough reviewers in the world, SkillUp doesn't need to be given a platform here
The problem isn't that it makes no difference to some. The problem is that no one believes it makes a difference to him.
I don't know how I'd feel if I on some level had inspired a mass shooter, but it's important to recognise inspiration isn't direct responsibility, but it's also as important to criticise PewDiePie's previous actions and response to this. If I found that there were any link between myself and a mass shooter, I'd be doing everything I possibly could to denounce his ideals and racism. So far, PewDiePie's only response has been to say he feels sickened to have had his name mentioned by this person, and that his thoughts go out to those impacted. Now admittedly he could be in the process of planning or doing other actions, some sort of charity appeal or whatever, but at the moment this response seems weak. And that seems apparent when he has to deal with other accusations of anti-antisemitism and racism.
He needs to publicly denounce the shooter and his actions through his YouTube channel, his largest platform, and tell viewers that he never wants to be associated with this. Because he has coddled to this 4Chan-style of humour and brushes off accusations of racism and so forth like a joke.
PewDiePie is not the reason the shooter did what he did, but his videos and jokes haved normalised the views that this shooter had, which does make him complicit, how much so I couldn't say.
If I were PewDiePie I'd be using this immense intention on myself to raise money and awareness and support for the victims.
This isn't taking into account the other reason why the shooter mentioned PewDiePie in his video and manifesto.
He needs to publicly denounce the shooter and his actions through his YouTube channel, his largest platform, and tell viewers that he never wants to be associated with this. Because he has coddled to this 4Chan-style of humour and brushes off accusations of racism and so forth like a joke.
PewDiePie is not the reason the shooter did what he did, but his videos and jokes haved normalised the views that this shooter had, which does make him complicit, how much so I couldn't say.
If I were PewDiePie I'd be using this immense intention on myself to raise money and awareness and support for the victims.
This isn't taking into account the other reason why the shooter mentioned PewDiePie in his video and manifesto.
Its just so bizzare to me. Not to be an 'old man yelling at clouds', but I wonder if it's a generational thing. In my teenage years AOL was just coming into play, I spent more time socalizing in real life in my teens than on the internet, and I firmly believe that being online all the time (and not seeing people in person) just chips away at your mental defenses so that these kids don't know what's what anymore. Someone posted in this thread or another that their 13-year old relative asked them if they knew who Ben Shapiro was . . . that's terrifying. Especially when it's coming from a still-developing mind.
Just point anyone who wants to argue to his other channel. If you wait till tomorrow they will probably have a 20 minute video up defending Pewdiepie on this topic by then.
And, despite being a racist ass, everyone still loves him, and I just don't see him giving up because of it
Because his condemnation is fucking hollow. Why are you so damn dense? This is the same guy who lacked such awareness that he promoted anti-semitic channel simply because he "liked his anime review" without thinking about the overall implications of that channel's content. The same guy who promoted Ben Shapiro in his channel. And the same guy who paid people to put up a "Death to all Jews" sign because "HAHA GUYS IT'S JUST AN EDGY JOKE ABOUT OUR WORLD!!!!! HAHA I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT HOW I'M NORMALIZING HATE SPEECH." And yet, we're supposed to believe that Pewdiepie just gets it this time? Yeah no.
His repeated acts of nonsense have time and time proved that Pewdiepie doesn't give a shit about what's happening in the world around him. So really, he's not going to give a shit about innocent muslims that were gunned down by a psychopath.
No problem, I'm glad you liked it, you can check some other videos there, also debunking people PDP follows on twitter.
Someone should tell him we're just meming why is this snowflake reviewer so upset?
Cause apparently that's the magic excuse for being absolute stupid that he likes to swallow.
There is a quote from a literal neo-nazi somewhere on the net about how useful it is when people joke about Nazism. How it helps them spread their ideology and slide their way into young people's consciousness.
I can't for the life of me find it now, it may even be directly linked to one of PDP's past gaffs.
Edit- OK, found it.
https://www.newstatesman.com/scienc...e-pepe-how-ironic-nazism-taking-over-internet
PewDiePie – the most subscribed content creator on YouTube – was dropped by Disney after the Wall Street Journal exposed an array of anti-Semitic comments in his videos. In the past, he has spoken out against the media for misrepresenting his "jokes", but this time he wrote a blog post in which he admitted: "I understand that these jokes were ultimately offensive." What changed?
What changed is that PewDiePie was confronted with a reality that anti-hate campaigners have long since known to be true. After his anti-Semitic videos, PewDiePie was embraced by the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer, which is now calling itself "The world's #1 PewDiePie Fansite." PewDiePie has learnt a truth that many of the "just joking" brigade frequently try to deny – that satire, irony, and jokes can validate and legitimise hate speech in a way that helps it to spread.
So he has had a Nazi website promote and his name directly linked to a mass shooting. Will he learn?
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PewDiePie is a white supremacist and actively promotes violence and hateful views against specific types of people. It doesn't matter if they makes a post condemning the attacks but whether if he is sincere about it. Which he obviously is not. He cares nothing for the victims and he knows that the attack carries out his world view.
Remember when he was normalizing nazi imagery on his channel, the media called him out on it and he went full "traditional scummy media hates me" instead of reflecting on what he did and then many people we were concerned, on the old site, about the message and influence he had and how not reflecting on it was dangerous and some people went ultradefensive mode because "he's not a nazi, traditional media is demonizing it"?
Yeah,good times.
Yeah,good times.