Tell me about it. I'm not even on social media anymore other than this forum and it has been fucking embarrassing reading this entire thread and the many many posts swarming to defend.
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So your opinion is worthless. Tem o mesmo valor de papel higiênico usado.
Saying "it isn't his fault" does nothing, he needs to hold himself accountable and denounce all of the bigoted shit he's done over the years.
PDP has fans. They probably consider this a "raid" lol.
Just so everyone checking in and reporting back to various "places", I've seen fucking raids. This is a pathetic shadow of one.
The perpetrators are going to jail. They are going to get their just deserts. What's paramount to reducing the amount of people who pull this shit is to deplatform and destroy the very rhetoric that galvanizes them. PDPs name isn't random. It was said because PDP has positioned himself as an ally to white supremacists and bigots whether he believes himself to be one or not. By continually doubling down after his own bigoted "jokes" and associating with alt-right thought leaders, he and so many others within our media landscape are guilty of feeding into the exact vileness that people like these shooters swallow whole. That needs to be talked about. Ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. Like Billfisto and others have said time and time again, if PDP didn't have a documented history of being flippant about genocide and racism, we wouldn't have to have this discussion. If PDP were actually blatantly an ally who espouses progress and actively denounces the bigots who see him as a friend in a high place, there would be no need for this topic.
Wat.
Also, things would be different if an entirely different name had been said. Like, if the perpetrator had mentioned Chris Evans or Ariana Grande or whatever, the response would be "well, that's inexplicable". The issue here is that Pewdiepie does have a documented history of being at least alt-right adjacent.
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I already told you. Some of my friends watch him and tell me to subscribe because of his "sub-battle" against the T-Series thing.
I don't watch his content, but I know about the controversy he's been through. He's done dumb shit, but why are we talking like the terrorist wouldn't have done it if PewDiePie didn't exist?
He won't. He'll just throw out crocodile tear messages like he already has.
Yeah the first part about him being a 'mastermind' threw me for a loop. I'd call him a jabroni. And the rest i agree with wholeheartedly.
He knows what he's doing. Acting as a groomsman for the far right. He's decieving children and grooming them for far right ideology. The parents in bulk have litte to no idea whats actually happening. Becasue well, it's implausible. He should be banned immediatly and isn't presently - because money and the implausibility element.
There will be more.
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no one is saying that. it's just an easy out for you to pretend that is what's being said.
I'm really disappointed that some major gaming sites aren't covering this.
Eurogamer and Kotaku are both notably silent. Waypoint too, although I feel like they will absolutely weigh in on it with time, given their track record (plus they were plenty active on Twitter). Plus they have a much smaller site and don't necessarily report as a straight news site.
Polygon appear to be linking to Vox's reporting, which is fair enough.
I'm afraid this is going to turn into a gamergate style situation, with some sites refusing to make comment for fear of the shower of idiots it would bring onto their sites.
Eurogamer in particular tends to shy away from these sort of thing and as a big former fan, that stings.
Eurogamer and Kotaku are both notably silent. Waypoint too, although I feel like they will absolutely weigh in on it with time, given their track record (plus they were plenty active on Twitter). Plus they have a much smaller site and don't necessarily report as a straight news site.
Polygon appear to be linking to Vox's reporting, which is fair enough.
I'm afraid this is going to turn into a gamergate style situation, with some sites refusing to make comment for fear of the shower of idiots it would bring onto their sites.
Eurogamer in particular tends to shy away from these sort of thing and as a big former fan, that stings.
Pewdiepie is a narcissist. Narcissists prey on, and surround themselves with, vulnerable, naive, and ignorant people, who then act as their enablers. When the narcissist is then challenged, they can take shelter behind these people - and use their unwavering adulation to absolve themselves of any and all responsibilities.
Pewdiepie has a lot of enablers.
PDP is a racist anti semantic idiot. I can't believe people here are defending him. You should be ashamed
This. Also, if he really wants to make a statement he'll do something tangible. Dude has so much money -- make a significant donation to a Muslim charity or something.
I don't know if that is the consensus.
I think the consensus should be that, whether you mean to do it in a malicious way or as a "joke", if you poke the hornets nest with your rhetoric over and over you have to face the fact that you may have contributed to the horrible things that happen when someone acts upon the shit you spew from your mouth.
It doesn't matter what PDP meant to say with his decisions, he has to face the fact that someone did something fucking horrible, and mentioned him as a motivation.
It's been detailed by me and many others why the accusation is much more specific than even "just" that.
Ok, so surely you understand why people are condemning PDP like they are...right?
Are you twelve years old?
We're not talking like the terrorist wouldn't have done it if PewDiePie didn't exist.
Anyway, bye.
No one actually believes that. People have continually said this isn't just about PDP. But PDP does exist and PDP does contribute to the greater landscape of alt-right culture.
Judging by this sick fucks manifesto, he was clearly a big fan of internet memes by referencing the fortnite floss dance and the navy seal meme in it, one could argue 'subscribe to pewdiepie' is just more of the same bullshit. No one can really say conclusively.
It's impossible to ascertain whether the shooter is an actual fan of pdp or just a dumbass meme fuck, nonetheless no one should try and deny the normalization pdp's platform has enabled over the years for the human trash like we have witnessed in NZ.
It's impossible to ascertain whether the shooter is an actual fan of pdp or just a dumbass meme fuck, nonetheless no one should try and deny the normalization pdp's platform has enabled over the years for the human trash like we have witnessed in NZ.
This thread as well as having to explain to a friend in my own social circle how I'm not saying PewDiePie is literally the cause of the shooting has left me baffled at how many fans this guy has. Like you'd honestly think that you insulted these people's messiah by disapproving him at this point.
Think both of you have figured it out, very well said
Yup. Mentioned him by name, didn't even put his "@" in it and people from all over the world are descending on my feed. It's ridiculous.
This is such a sad and difficult situation. PDP is not responsible for the actions of others, I think that's fair to say. Is he complicit? Maybe, probably. What can we even try to do to start to push back against this violence? I have no clue.
Second I don't agree with Colin, I just think he's idealistic, and it drives me nuts to see people go after people so hard for people they disagree with politically.
I just don't even know where we go from here, how do we reach a point where we aren't mass censoring everyone we disagree with, but also not allowing hate speech to thrive.
Second I don't agree with Colin, I just think he's idealistic, and it drives me nuts to see people go after people so hard for people they disagree with politically.
I just don't even know where we go from here, how do we reach a point where we aren't mass censoring everyone we disagree with, but also not allowing hate speech to thrive.
This. People need to stop with the "leave PDP alone" shit. This is not just about PDP. We are discussing PDP A) because this is a gaming forum, B) the shooter mentioned him by name, & C) his name being mentioned actually matters in this signular instance because of the context of PDPs continual jokes and alloweces to alt-right, violently bigoted sensibilities. It's not that difficult.
It's one of two reasons.
Either because they are human trash like this shooter, PDP and the UKIP guy or because philosophically speaking they refuse to accept that people can directly influence each other through words and that ultimately personal responsibility is the only responsibility that should matter.
I guess my line of thinking is there's been glaring red flags in his content for years now. Whenever called out on it, he would downplay any criticisms as him just making jokes, or use the same dog whistles as the alt right accusing the media of attacking his character. As tragic as it is, this is the expecting outcome of constantly pandering to the "meme culture/trolling" crowd. It also doesn't help that youtubers are so cliquish and will constantly go to bat and defend pewdiepie no matter what.
All that's missing is for the Finebros to make a react video on the topic, exonerating Pewdiepie of any culpability.
All that's missing is for the Finebros to make a react video on the topic, exonerating Pewdiepie of any culpability.
Any crack in their horrible worldview will spread to show them just how wrong they are, so they need to defend it at every turn.
Politics has consequences. Politics is marginalization of people, politics is oppression, politics is war, politics is terrorism, politics is genocide.
I think you know what the solution is, and it's easier than you think. Don't give platforms to people like PDP who share hate. Him veiling his behavior as "just joking" is just about the thinnest defense you can attribute to it. People like PDP are influencers.
YouTube could probably incorporate guidelines similar to those of a public broadcaster, at least when it comes to facts and research being required. It could also use a regulator to gauge whether content is harmful or spreading harmful ideologies (including defining what is competent satire and what is basically barely disguised hate speech).
Sure, garbage could filter in from small channels due to moderation not being that efficient, but a channel like PDP's with its massive audience should get oversight in the same way TV networks, movies, music, and video games do.
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He may be a absolute fucking tool but.. in regard to this current situation he has done nothing wrong other than been name dropped.
People just love to come here, post some absolutely inane shit, and then go rant elsewhere about how they got banned from here just for saying their opinion. As if they were posting about their favorite color and not spouting bullshit about a serious topic. Not to mention the fun "I got banned for not posting enough!" when junior/low post count messages are because of the burners they're using on these petty little instant bans.
Well, actually, they don't even have to do the ranking themselves, other people see it and rush to do it for them.
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Sidenote I think calling him responsible is a slippery slope. Someone who voted for Trump is not necessarily responsible for Trump's actions, but they are complicit and they have a way to rebuke any actions they don't agree with. His response to this, and actions moving forward are what are critical here.
There's barely a story. A mass shooter made some memes and shouted out a Youtuber. As someone with journalist traning, it's understood that a story like this would kill a career, which and I know your all out for blood, is a risky proposition if you don't have all the facts which we don't. We can't assume intent, we can't assume connections, we can't assume that PDP isn't going to issue a broader statement. You're risking a libel lawsuit if you do put something out.
I think outlets should have covered his Tweets and put in the lede paragraph that the shooter called him out by name, but it's difficult to go farther than that without being libelous
If you don't see the connection, you're not seeing the bigger picture.
I know this knucklehead is banned, but in case you're listening, it's the fact that he DID say his name. There's a reason for that, think critically.
His name being dropped is not absent of context. If the shooter mentioned Scrappy Doo, that wouldn't suddenly mean we need to take a good look at old Hanna Barbara cartoons. The shooter mentioned him though and PDP is an influencer who has consistently fed into the sensibilities of the very cultures that produce shooters like these and bigots in general. He's on the spot now because of what he has been doing wrong all throughout his career.
I think why he was name dropped is the reason for the discussion here.