It would be VERY poor journalism. Maybe if they can dig up more on PDP I can see having enough for the story...
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Nobody is saying he's responsible. But he propagates this kind of behavior with his content and there's a *reason* he was name dropped by the shooter.
AH yes. The same actions where he said "haha it's just a joke!!!! XD" when he paid people to raise the Death to All Jews signs.
Yup, that truly matters.
No one said he was responsible. Please stop pushing that bullshit. This isn't about making PDP pay for killing 40+ people. It's about making PDP take seriously what he puts on his network and the beliefs he espouses with the reach and influence he has.
Maybe so it would get even more attention even by people who do not usually take note of these matters?
So you don't think his years of spewing bigoted language, his mingling with alt-right thought leaders, and his sharing of these alt-right leaders' ideas and content is a clear indicator that he has contributed to radicalizing people such as the shooter of this incident?
With great power comes great responsibility. PDP did not pick up an AR and he isn't a vocal supporter but with his reach and platform he has chosen a stance and retoric that fuels these people. And fuels the people that fuels these people. Use your platform for something good, or at least do nothing.
I think theres such a clear distinction between an opinion and hate speech that banning those would be pretty easy. There shouldn't be an outright ban for first offenders of course but people like PDP who pull the same shit with the same excuse over and over? Yeah those people need to be shown the door.
As mentioned, Polygon are linking to the story on their front page.
I'm not sure how you think reporting on this story would "kill a career".
The basic facts we do have are that PDP was linked to this event, he has issued an apology and that he has history of troublesome right wing "incidents".
That's all I want at this point. I'm not expecting a massive take down of him but a lot of major gaming sites have proven unwilling to cover big events for fear of the reaction. At the very least there should be some recognition this happened and there is no way anyone could sue them for that.
They will go all in on publishers and developers but very rarely on these bigger issues with the terrible nature of the community.
We saw this during Gamergate. I'm hoping to be proven wrong but I worry that it will all be left to blow in the wind.
He's the opposite of funny if you ask me. Fucking obnoxious as hell.
But Colin is a lot like friends I have, parents I have, relatives I have. Some people think individually and some people think more communally. Personally I see things from a view of what is best for everyone, but I think people like my parents and Colin see it more as what is best for individual freedom. That doesn't make him evil, it just makes his views different. Admittedly I don't like a lot of his political attitude and his victim complex, but to a degree his words are parsed much more intensely because of his views. I have been listening to old GoGs for months and realistically I've heard Tim, nick, and Greg say things that would have ended Colin's career. When you out a camera on a person all the time, people can't stay buttoned up that long and they just say shit. Idk simple answers aren't a silver bullet. The world is gray.
Who knows I somehow manager to avoid knowing who pdp was until today, so I clearly am out of the loop on some stuff
Who knows I somehow manager to avoid knowing who pdp was until today, so I clearly am out of the loop on some stuff
Wasn't he just doing the "sub to PDP" meme? His manifesto seems to be a bunch of dumb meme shit.
huh, i wonder if he has some ideology he subtly signals support for which itself has a fervent, angry base of support...
I mean, it'd explain a lot if those qualities (or lack thereof) are why they relate to him so much.
Historically people don't care about the actions movie forward. If pewdipie came out with a video afterwords saying he condemns what happens and absolutely does not support this kind of thinking people would still handwave it away. For better or worse, peoples opinions of pewdipie are practically set in stone.
People here are underestimating how young a lot of these pdp fans are. Looking thru twitter and seeing all kinds of pdp defense forces but these are from children who really cant begin to understand what's going on in the world
It's really hard to have this conversation with this part of his audience because they idolize pdp and the internet culture that is so provocative and edgy and allows these jokes to transform into hate. Im curious what the older pdp fans are like on these forums— twitter, discord, etc. that continue to foster and encourage the rhetoric that normalizes alt right culture to kids. Im curious how the recruitment happens and how successful they are at it. A tragedy like this gets so many of his young fans to get political, but they will end up seeing the wrong side, and start resenting the "SJWs" and PDP haters for dragging down PDP. Its very similar to how Trump fans brush off everything he does and points the finger right back at the Trump Haters for being hateful.
Pdp kids just don't understand and i cant imAgine how others can sit them down to look at the bigger picture. This is an issue of anti racist education. But we are not equipped to handle the speed and pervasiveness of how internet culture works here.
There is also an easily accepted notion that chaos and division is what the shooter was going for and the best thing to do is not talk about PDP. But it misses the point. Parents need to be more aware of how easily corruptible and damages kids can get from following these stars
This is a losing war we're having with our youth and no one is aware of it because parents dont give a fuck to think of what their kid is doing on the internet chat rooms
It's really hard to have this conversation with this part of his audience because they idolize pdp and the internet culture that is so provocative and edgy and allows these jokes to transform into hate. Im curious what the older pdp fans are like on these forums— twitter, discord, etc. that continue to foster and encourage the rhetoric that normalizes alt right culture to kids. Im curious how the recruitment happens and how successful they are at it. A tragedy like this gets so many of his young fans to get political, but they will end up seeing the wrong side, and start resenting the "SJWs" and PDP haters for dragging down PDP. Its very similar to how Trump fans brush off everything he does and points the finger right back at the Trump Haters for being hateful.
Pdp kids just don't understand and i cant imAgine how others can sit them down to look at the bigger picture. This is an issue of anti racist education. But we are not equipped to handle the speed and pervasiveness of how internet culture works here.
There is also an easily accepted notion that chaos and division is what the shooter was going for and the best thing to do is not talk about PDP. But it misses the point. Parents need to be more aware of how easily corruptible and damages kids can get from following these stars
This is a losing war we're having with our youth and no one is aware of it because parents dont give a fuck to think of what their kid is doing on the internet chat rooms
He is a star and he has a sort of charisma to a younger audience. A lot of people were introduced to him when they started searching for youtube videos, I guess. Also he is handsome, which helps a lot with the "charisma" aspect and attracting new watchers. But yeah he is shit.
I cant even imagine the furious meat beating going on in his subreddit since they closed it down. True believers.
But so are a bunch more people mentioned in that "manifesto" thing... Some are very directly. Should CNN do a story about Trump mention?
As someone who does not follow PDP on YT aside from the times he becomes embroiled in controversy, looking at the threadmarks it is abundantly clear that he is essentially a poster child for the Alt-right playbook- It's always jokes until it is not.
Man, Pax always has autograph sessions for this M-trash. I wonder if I can complain and keep him from being invited this year to West. We all need to do our part to shut these people out. Their exposure is their source of income and we need to dry that pipe as best we can.
That seem like playing directly into killer's playbook. It's pretty clear that's what he wanted.
I think a lot of people are having trouble discerning whats actually being said in this thread. The headline certainly implies that he is involved, and the first few pages of the thread mostly consist of very strong emotional condemnations of PDP, most of which dont really go into specific accusations. I suppose that some people take a quick look at the OP and skim through the first few pages, and then jump to the conclusion that people are directly blaming him for the massacre.
I think the best course of action is to actually look up PDP's history, what he has and hasnt done, and assess to what degree he is contributing to normalizing extreme right viewpoints.
Lmfao, I've never once seen a single video of his.
If you wish i can give you a list of the people I'm subscribed to though? If that would make you feel better about my opinion.
On average most of my YouTube viewing is NeebsGaming and ChilledCow, I do have time for the odd Soviet Womble (do love Cyanide) video as well as Simon Miller, No Clip and SkillUp.. I know right.
On the odd occasion I visit Flash Gitz, 21 Killoton, Laymen Gaming, Cricken2, Simple History, Crowbcat, TheActMan, Aldo Jones and My name Is Byf.
Edit: almost Forgot i on occasion watch VideoGamerTV but only their older stuff, and Jim,Burns (and dave)
Of recent though I've been chilling on Twitch watching the likes of Ninjy (that's ninjy not Ninja) SovietWomble and HariboKart.
But that is ok though, me "defending" PDP must mean i like him right? in the same way I can't say Captain Marvel is a mediocre movie without been a sexist bastard right..
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Could that be because he's done swaths of disingenuous apologies for his "oopsies" before, and keeps peddling alt-right bullshit with his massive platform, like sharing a video of a notoriously anti-semitic channel, or collaborating with alt-right figurehead Ben Shapiro?
My biggest hope is that it ends his career. I mean it should right, imagine some celebrity being involved in "lite" white supremacy getting name-dropped at a shooting of this caliber.
And again, him and Candace Owens should be doing whatever they can to help the families affected and towards stopping such violent acts in the future. If you truly say you have no connections to white supremacy and happen to rich as fuck (like pewdiepie) seems like a no-brainer.
Also, I was 13 when I watched this dude playing Amnesia/indie games on steam. Young kids and teenagers are watching him at any given moment. Step up and be a role model for gods sake or get out of the business.
And again, him and Candace Owens should be doing whatever they can to help the families affected and towards stopping such violent acts in the future. If you truly say you have no connections to white supremacy and happen to rich as fuck (like pewdiepie) seems like a no-brainer.
Also, I was 13 when I watched this dude playing Amnesia/indie games on steam. Young kids and teenagers are watching him at any given moment. Step up and be a role model for gods sake or get out of the business.
No, but they are not specialist sites focusing on a niche past time. These same sites have reported on when PDP has "slipped up" and been racist and offensive.
The fact is, PDP is the biggest name in the gaming space, what he says and does matter.
Maybe these sites are staying clear for lack of a clear line of reporting. Fair enough but for me there is a dereliction of duty from a lot of gaming sites when it comes to the incredibly toxic communities that a rife through gaming.
I think it is worth mentioning in this context.
He's their "friend". Again, it's classic narcissist behaviour. Just look at any cult for example. You reach out to people who are missing something in their life, and you offer to fill that hole.
Don't get me wrong. PDP should get shit for not taking a stronger sense and for his past actions. But where do we draw the line between making whole manifesto a center of reporting vs. treating this as what it is - Act of Terror.
Regular reminder that "it's just a meme" has always been a deliberate attempt at plausible deniability.
Very true. It's really shocking and scary seeing the rise in right wing extremism over the last 5-10 years and I wonder how much of that is down to social media celebrities and intentionally constructed memes.
I don't believe PewDiePie in any ways supports this type of terrorism or attacks.
I think he's a guy who doesn't still understand that his words matter, his actions matter, and what he accepts from his fan base matters. He has such a vast platform that reaches so many viewers that it's insane to me he doesn't understand that yet.
Also, the subscribe to PewDiePie campaign has been bizarre to say the least. I don't get the T Series feud, but it seems to me it's been co-opted as a white culture vs non-white culture battle being raged on the internet. Which, again, is bizarre and nuts to me. Like it's a freaking YouTube channel.
Edit: Found a good tweet thread from a Verge reporter on the "Subscribe to PewDiePie" topic.
https://twitter.com/loudmouthjulia/status/1106543818625699840?s=19
I think he's a guy who doesn't still understand that his words matter, his actions matter, and what he accepts from his fan base matters. He has such a vast platform that reaches so many viewers that it's insane to me he doesn't understand that yet.
Also, the subscribe to PewDiePie campaign has been bizarre to say the least. I don't get the T Series feud, but it seems to me it's been co-opted as a white culture vs non-white culture battle being raged on the internet. Which, again, is bizarre and nuts to me. Like it's a freaking YouTube channel.
Edit: Found a good tweet thread from a Verge reporter on the "Subscribe to PewDiePie" topic.
https://twitter.com/loudmouthjulia/status/1106543818625699840?s=19
It so disgusting an pathetic seeing this crap all over twitter.
They cheep hi bullshit on for years but now with real world consequences they want to cry foul.